Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Hoboo · 19-06-2019 01:09AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I disagree. I think it depends on your perception ...The judge was female no?

Judge female? Really?

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:11AM

Hoboo wrote: »

I can't see how it is. Maybe I'm missing the part where it was proven beyond doubt boy B knew Boy A planned to kill her. I just can't see it.

They discussed it.

They were part of some satanic ...whatever.

He knew where the house was ....he knew it was a ****hole.

Why offer to lead a girl there to a dangerous isolated place?

Why the chord?

Strange thing to give to someone.

Of course he knew.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:12AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Judge female? Really?

I'm not sure. I'll check.

tuxy · 19-06-2019 01:12AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I disagree. I think it depends on your perception ...The judge was female no?

No, it was Judge Paul McDermott

19-06-2019 01:12AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

More forthcoming? This is the same kid that described her as a "slut" and commented on her being developed and more advanced that other kids her age. (Breasts, hips etc). All in front of his mother.

If there was a plan for something sexual (consensual) to happen with Ana then he is unlikely to have said it in front of his mother. Big difference in describing someone as you see her and your involvement in any prospective sexual relations. He tried to cover stuff and just got wrapped up in a tissue of lies. With the hindsight of conviction he'd likely come clean straight away given another chance.

Strazdas · 19-06-2019 01:12AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Again I can't disagree. Does that prove beyond reasonable doubt he knew she was going to be murdered? I dont think so.

If we were to believe he had no advance knowledge of Ana's murder, he could well have been found not guilty (or might not even have been charged) if he had been far more open with the guards. Instead, he told lie after lie and was extremely evasive, even after days of questioning.

Saying "I knew something a bit dodgy might happen to Ana in that house, but not murder" could well have seen him avoid the murder rap.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:13AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Judge female? Really?

Actually no its a he i was wrong.

19-06-2019 01:14AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

EXACTLY!

He touched her NO DNA FOUND. But he did. You don't get DNA every time you assault someone.

No DNA implies he didn't touch her. A complete absence of DNA meant the police were aware from the outset that he had no direct role in the assault and murder. Likely he lied or mis-remembered.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:15AM

Strazdas wrote: »

If we were to believe he had no advance knowledge of Ana's murder, he could well have been found not guilty (or might not even have been charged) if he had been far more open with the guards. Instead, he told lie after lie and was extremely evasive, even after days of questioning.

Saying "I knew something a bit dodgy might happen to Ana in that house, but not murder" could well have seen him avoid the murder rap.

Manslaughter ?

don't think they would have wanted to risk it.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 01:15AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He admitted touching her.

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Hoboo · 19-06-2019 01:16AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They discussed it.

They were part of some satanic ...whatever.

He knew where the house was ....he knew it was a ****hole.

Why offer to lead a girl there to a dangerous isolated place?

Why the chord?

Strange thing to give to someone.

Of course he knew.

Think you need to read the case. Satanic what? Oh you mean the homework club?

19-06-2019 01:16AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They discussed it.

They were part of some satanic ...whatever.

He knew where the house was ....he knew it was a ****hole.

Why offer to lead a girl there to a dangerous isolated place?

Why the chord?

Strange thing to give to someone.

Of course he knew.

Because that's where kids take alcohol, drugs and indulge in sexual activities. As Ana fancied Boy A it's not wild conjecture for him to assume that some consensual sexual congress may occur.

Hoboo · 19-06-2019 01:17AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Actually no its a he i was wrong.

You thought the judge was female yet you're debating the case?

On that note, bon nuit.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:17AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

No DNA implies he didn't touch her. A complete absence of DNA meant the police were aware from the outset that he had no direct role in the assault and murder. Likely he lied or mis-remembered.

That isn't how DNA works. You can punch someone and not have DNA evidence. DNA profile on an object doesn't always correspond to the person who most recently touched it.

You should know this.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:18AM

Hoboo wrote: »

You thought the judge was female yet you're debating the case?

On that note, bon nuit.

I don't wish you good night.

Hoboo · 19-06-2019 01:18AM

dickangel wrote: »

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Same place it said the judge was a woman.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:19AM

dickangel wrote: »

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Court reports.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 01:19AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Court reports.

Link?

Genuinely haven't seen that being reported anywhere.

19-06-2019 01:19AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That isn't how DNA works. You can punch someone and not have DNA evidence. DNA profile on an object doesn't always correspond to the person who most recently touched it.

You should know this.

There's no way he assaulted her and didn't leave DNA. Just not possible. The Gardai and DPP didn't even attempt to go down the route you're on.

And bon nuit from me also.

Nerdlingr · 19-06-2019 01:19AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

If there was a plan for something sexual (consensual) to happen with Ana then he is unlikely to have said it in front of his mother. Big difference in describing someone as you see her and your involvement in any prospective sexual relations. He tried to cover stuff and just got wrapped up in a tissue of lies. With the hindsight of conviction he'd likely come clean straight away given another chance.

I think you're confusing him with someone else. He sat in front of his mother and used a whole host of derogatory terms for a girl who's death he had a hand in. You're inferring because his mother was there he couldn't talk freely or was embarrassed to? B*llox.
It wasn't him that was being involved in any prospective sexual relations though. So he could have sung like a canary and sold his friend down the swanny. Which he tried to do.
You've defended him at every turn on here.
And are now trying to cast him as some timid embarrassed mammy's boy? Christ.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:22AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Same place it said the judge was a woman.

You are defending a convicted child murderer. NICE.

A girl died.

He admitted to helping her over a ditch by supporting her and holding her arm and hand.

Sardonicat · 19-06-2019 01:22AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

More forthcoming? This is the same kid that described her as a "slut" and commented on her being developed and more advanced that other kids her age. (Breasts, hips etc). All in front of his mother.

If there was a plan for something sexual (consensual) to happen with Ana then he is unlikely to have said it in front of his mother. Big difference in describing someone as you see her and your involvement in any prospective sexual relations. He tried to cover stuff and just got wrapped up in a tissue of lies. With the hindsight of conviction he'd likely come clean straight away given another chance.

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:23AM

dickangel wrote: »

Link?

Genuinely haven't seen that being reported anywhere.

Wait one moment I'll find it.

Joe Don Dante · 19-06-2019 01:24AM

i can't believe there are people on this thread actually trying to defend Boy B ... fcuking hell

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:26AM

dickangel wrote: »

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Det Gda Daly asked Boy B if he ever touched Ana and he said only when they were crossing a ditch and he gave her his hand

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-case-16209873

You don't get DNA evidence in every assault case let alone every time people touch.

Gadgetman496 · 19-06-2019 01:26AM

Hoboo wrote: »

I can't see how it is. Maybe I'm missing the part where it was proven beyond doubt boy B knew Boy A planned to kill her. I just can't see it.

Is it not the case that the jury have to be satisfied of guilt beyond reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict?

They returned a majority verdict based on the evidence as put before them, game over.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:26AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Think you need to read the case. Satanic what? Oh you mean the homework club?

uh huh

19-06-2019 01:26AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Sawduck · 19-06-2019 01:27AM

Hope the two little pricks get murdered in prison, don't care if thats harsh,they deserve it for everything they did to the poor innocent girl,sick bastard's

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 01:29AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Because that's where kids take alcohol, drugs and indulge in sexual activities. As Ana fancied Boy A it's not wild conjecture for him to assume that some consensual sexual congress may occur.

Yeah no its really a bit weird considering everything.

You romance a girl. You don't have your mate drag her 3k out to the beyond.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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