Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Stop moaning ffs · 18-06-2019 08:48PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yeah from rereading it they bring boy A in with Boy B to the field as soon as possible; Tuesday afternoon after Monday disappearance.

It just reads a bit weird because the article goes on about leads going no where in the meantime as well as a random encounter with boy A and his father when they are out searching. Strange this happened in this short a window.

I caught that straight away.

Boy A doesn’t seem like the type that goes for a walk with his dad.
At all.
What 13 year old boy does though? But given his proclivities especially not him.
That’s just weird.

Amalgam · 18-06-2019 08:48PM

Amalgam wrote: »

If one of the accused is found to have an incurable pathology, could he be held at the CMH, at some point, after prison.

Wasn't that the case for Malcolm MacArthur?

Just want to put this to the thread again, is prison the only option, going forward, if there's a perceived threat/repeat offending?

..as in, one or both being detained at a psychiatric facility.

Gimme A Pound · 18-06-2019 08:48PM

Hurrache wrote: »

That's not what you said though, you said any adult defending porn should reconsider.

Nearly: "maybe those so eager to defend any adult porn might reconsider" but yeah I meant on this thread.

Nerdlingr · 18-06-2019 08:48PM

bubblypop wrote: »

That doesn't mean anything bad.
Everyone with any interaction with gardai is on pulse. Anyone who reports something missing is on pulse. Anyone who is an injured party is on pulse. Anyone who is a witness to anything is on pulse. Anyone involved in any incident involving Gardai is on pulse.
It doesn't mean anything bad about anyone.

All that is correct.
There is also the flip side of that though. You can also be on pulse for a whole load of other not so innocent reasons.

Grayson · 18-06-2019 08:49PM

InTheShadows wrote: »

Social media access should be linked to your PPS number in this country. If you are not over 18 then you should have no access. A simple government agency can run the thing as i wouldn't want the likes of Facebook having my PPS details.

There are kids as young as 12 passing around images of human beings being beheaded and the like. It's time for drastic action.

Ban smartphones for under 16?

There are schools that do that. Kids could still have non smart phones for contacting them.

Thing is they still need internet access for school and banning them from computers would hurt their education. Maybe create a proxy that all kids use? they'd find a way around that )I know I could in a few minutes).

It's incredibly hard to do this sort of stuff.

Dots1982 · 18-06-2019 08:50PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I caught that straight away.

Boy A doesn’t seem like the type that goes for a walk with his dad.
At all.
What 13 year old boy does though? But given his proclivities especially not him.
That’s just weird.

So why do you think he and his father went for a walk and talked to the police that day?

Grayson · 18-06-2019 08:51PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I'm not saying Boy B didn't manipulate his father, I'm sure he did. I am just not convinced his father really believes his ridiculous story.

But yep, we will never know.

He probably realises on some level but is in denial. He doesn't want to know, that's the thing.

pablo128 · 18-06-2019 08:51PM

Grayson wrote: »

I fully understand why they can't be identified and i wouldn't do it but it's weird considering a whole town knows them.

Word of mouth spreads like butter in Ireland. There's no need to be posting up info on the internet which could get you out away simply because of curiosity.

Spanish Eyes · 18-06-2019 08:51PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

All that is correct.
There is also the flip side of that though. You can also be on pulse for a whole load of other not so innocent reasons.

My take on the Pulse thing is that it wasn't the child but someone in the family that was on Pulse. I'd say the Gardai knew where to look myself.

And I haven't identified anyone remember, it's just a feeling.

Ken. · 18-06-2019 08:52PM

Mod- Ok, Enough is enough. The next person that hints at the the names or identities of the 2 boys is getting a perma AH ban. Thread locked for 10 minutes as ignorance will not be a defence.

Ken. · 18-06-2019 09:04PM

Mod-Thread reopened. Heed the above.

El_Bee · 18-06-2019 09:06PM

Was Boy B with the Gardai when they met Boy A and his Father out walking? the article seems to imply that.

GT_TDI_150 · 18-06-2019 09:08PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

They are both evil bastards. It doesn't really matter who egged who on they are both obviously very dangerous.

If they would plan and do that at thirteen god knows what they would do when they are fully grown men.

And this is why i personally think it is wrong their identities will forever be withheld

Ash.J.Williams · 18-06-2019 09:08PM

Grayson wrote: »

I fully understand why they can't be identified and i wouldn't do it but it's weird considering a whole town knows them.

it's really not weird

screamer · 18-06-2019 09:10PM

I should also have added to my previous post, a thank you to the jurors for having the sense and strength to deliver the correct verdict here.
I can’t imagine what they also had to see and hear during that trial. I don’t think I’d have been able to do it, so well done to them, they’ve done society a great service today and we can all rest a bit easier.

Birdnuts · 18-06-2019 09:10PM

The evil bitches who mercilessly bullied this beautifull, fragile girl in school should suffer consequences too - what if anything has the school done to deal with these vermin??

spurious · 18-06-2019 09:11PM

Amalgam wrote: »

Just want to put this to the thread again, is prison the only option, going forward, if there's a perceived threat/repeat offending?

..as in, one or both being detained at a psychiatric facility.

I don't think we have any secure child psychiatric facility in Ireland. Open to correction if anyone knows for sure.
That's a problem for another day.

iamwhoiam · 18-06-2019 09:12PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

And this is why i personally think it is wrong their identities will forever be withheld

I think the names should be released when they are 18 . If for no other reason but to keep girls safe who might come in contact with them .

I felt sad that Anas life could be written about and her picture everywhere yet those who denied her a voice are protected .

El_Bee · 18-06-2019 09:12PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The evil bitches who mercilessly bullied this beautifull, fragile girl in school should suffer consequences too - what if anything has the school done to deal with these vermin??

Schools are effectively paralyzed, suspension is rare and expulsion all but impossible, what would have gotten you expelled 10-15 years ago might get you counseling session where they plead with you to please behave today.

tupenny · 18-06-2019 09:13PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I was using it as an expression often used not what was said.

Boy As father is more likely the Garda given his interview tactic.
No video footage even shown of those interviews as he would rarely comment or say no comment / I don’t know.

Seems schooled.

Him and the father being found on a walk together though by gardai. That stinks

Yup

Ash.J.Williams · 18-06-2019 09:14PM

it kills me how eager Ana seemed to be to go with him, and the fact her mother said it sounded odd because nobody calls for her. Heart breaking.

Breaston Plants · 18-06-2019 09:14PM

These guys identities will not stay secret for too long, small country Ireland. And I hope they get the sh1t beaten out if them in Oberstown.

18-06-2019 09:15PM

JuneMoon7 wrote: »

Are you for real. Parents lied and defended those little ****s even though they KNEW they were guilty as hell. All they cared about was themselves. What about the real victim? what about Ana?? They acted like they were the victims. They raised two feral monsters

Where is the evidence that the parents lied? If so they'd be up on charges of perverting the course of justice.

In terms of defending your kids it's what parents do. And given the complete lack of DNA and other forensic evidence it's no surprise that Boy B's parents supported him. I expect him to be discharged on appeal.

InTheShadows · 18-06-2019 09:15PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The evil bitches who mercilessly bullied this beautifull, fragile girl in school should suffer consequences too - what if anything has the school done to deal with these vermin??

This.

o1s1n · 18-06-2019 09:16PM

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Who?

Their defense in the case. Horrible job but someone had to do it.

strandroad · 18-06-2019 09:19PM

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Who?

The defence for boy A. He suggested (falsely) that Ana was sexually active and she met boy A for that.
How are they even allowed to do that?

Amalgam · 18-06-2019 09:19PM

I don't get the drive to identify them, in any case, the amount of people that would have a physical altercation with them is low, you say it sitting at a keyboard, but.. yeah.

I live in South County Dublin, Larry Murphy was a frequent sighting here, walking along the street, about Deansgrange, Rochestown, Dun Laoghaire etc.

I don't know if he's still in the area since the passing of his mother.. but ****ty people just potter about their lives, like the rest of society.

GT_TDI_150 · 18-06-2019 09:20PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I think the names should be released when they are 18 . If for no other reason but to keep girls safe who might come in contact with them .

I felt sad that Anas life could be written about and her picture everywhere yet those who denied her a voice are protected .

As the father of a little girls... This 100%.... They gave up their right to anonymity when the killed her... From here on, the safety of people they may come in contact with is more important than theirs imho.

InTheShadows · 18-06-2019 09:20PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Two future FG members for sure

Mod-Yup, thats a ban.

Jesus Christ no need for that.

The comment not the ban that is.

gormdubhgorm · 18-06-2019 09:21PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The evil bitches who mercilessly bullied this beautifull, fragile girl in school should suffer consequences too - what if anything has the school done to deal with these vermin??

Online bullies did not kill the girl nor cause the girl to be killed. In fact the online bullying was completely unrelated to the actual main facts of the case.
It was just mentioned by her parents to show what type of girl Ana was, and how she was more vulnerable than most

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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