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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019/2020

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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    I'd take 85 points right now if someone offered it for next season.

    What 4 games are we going to lose or 6 games draw this year compared to last?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Leicester were on form ~65 points under the Rodgers @1.7 pts a game
    in that time they had tougher than average fixtures and he was trying to change a style of play mid season .
    I think it would not be impossible for the Rodgers to get that up a further 10-15% getting them into 71-74 pt territory.
    obviously this is before the transfer roundabout stops and who knows who they keep /sell and recruit.
    but I think the Rodgers is a genuinely good coach and the frame for a really good team is already there.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What 4 games are we going to lose or 6 games draw this year compared to last?

    If I knew that I'd be a multi millionaire!

    But seriously, I think we'll fall back a bit in terms of points but hopefully City do too. What City did the past few seasons is rare tbh.

    85 - 90 points would win a league most years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Tbh I can see everton finish above utd and Chelsea if they bring in lampard

    I can't see Everton appointing Lampard though.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Leicester will ship plenty goals under Rodgers. That's a given.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umtdSbsI1P8

    If the hairs don't stand up when Gini gets his 2nd and he's running towards the Kop slapping his chest you are not human

    AWESOME!!!!!
    Still pinching myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,814 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I'll remember that semi far more than the I ever will the final.

    Strange feeling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The semi finals are nearly always better than the finals. Which are dour or lopsided as a rule. Obviously there is the odd exception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    We've had some memorable European semi finals on the way to the last 4 Champions League Finals the club played in.

    Ghost goal 2005, 5 Times.

    Chelsea on pens 2007

    Roma 7 -6 last season

    Barca 4 -3 this year 6 Times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,277 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Leicester will ship plenty goals under Rodgers. That's a given.

    Might lose slab head as well and Vardy is 32. He's going to start declining sooner rather than later.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,428 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I was working from home yesterday and around 8am sky sports mix had a short on the 2005 final. It brought a tear to my eye. I guess both myself and god forgot the deal we made that I couldn't care less if we never won anything again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,381 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    We've had some memorable European semi finals on the way to the last 4 Champions League Finals the club played in.

    Chelsea on pens 2007

    The atmosphere in that game when Agger scored the tie's equaliser..


    oh my. oh my indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,815 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    steve_r wrote: »
    Well said.

    He also shone in games like Leicester and West Ham when the team was finding it hard going - his scoring run at that time kept the show on the road.
    .

    It seems to be a feature of Manes game that when the team doesnt play well he stands up and gets counted. He did the same in the Madrid final last year when we didnt look like scoring, somehow he always finds a way.

    Its no wonder Zidane wants him, thankfully our CL win staves off that possibility for at least 12 months but hopefully 24.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,523 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Dickerty wrote: »
    This is why, for me, he's more important than Salah. He just terrorises defenders every game, like Firmino but in more dangerous areas. Salah can be less present in some games, can cause attacks to break down by trying to beat one too many, not getting into the box to get on the end of things. But they all contribute to the whole.

    I also think he's the hardest to replace - pace, finishing with both feet and head, attitude, fitness levels...

    I read some article from an insider on the Coutinho transfer before very interesting.

    Basically Klopp couldn't believe Barca bid 100m for Coutinho, never taught he was good enough as he didn't have the stamina to make long bursts of pace.
    Firmino and Mane were absolutely undropable according to Klopp and Salah was originally bought to compete with Coutinho on the left as Mane originally played right wing for us.
    When it came apparent Coutinho was determined to go Salah was played on the right to complement Mane and Firmino and they rest is as they say...history!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,523 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Which is why Klopp wouldn't go back in for him, he's not his type of player.
    The business and sporting success of Liverpool in the current campaign is rooted in the strategy drawn by Jürgen Klopp in May 2017. Required to present a plan to assault the major titles, Premier and Champions, the German coach met with the leaders to to inform them that, after a season of tests, it came to the conclusion that the tactical scheme that best suited the template was 4-3-3 and that in that module Phil Coutinho could only stand out at one end. When the club raised the possibility of signing Mohammed Salah , the coach told the management that he thought it was fine but that the position with Coutinho should be disputed. Never with Mané or Firmino, which he judged unquestionable.


    In the offices of Liverpool were not surprised to see that the leaders embraced as if they had won a title when on 6 January closed the transfer of Coutinho to Barca for 160 million euros , a record after Neymar and Mbappé. Never the sale of the third most expensive soccer player in history meant less sacrifice and more benefit for a major club.


    MORE INFORMATION
    Sadio Mané controls a ball with his chest.
    Sadio Mané controls a ball with his chest. LINDSEY PARNABY AFP
    The unnoticed Liverpool society
    Klopp: "I do not just want to win, I want to feel too!"
    Influenced by the traditional German school, Klopp starts from a basic principle: before players , to be competitive at the highest level their players must be regular. Regularity, according to his philosophy, is linked to the biological element. It serves little that the players handle concepts and are skilled if they are not reliable in the execution of the pressing when they do not have the ball and constant in the unmarked when they have it. Klopp's experiments in the 2016-17 academic year focused on checking how the players adapted to the physical demands imposed on them by the division of tasks in the different spaces assigned by the 4-2-3-1 and 4-3- 3.

    The tests put the emphasis on transitions: attack-defense and defense-attack. From the beginning, they revealed that Coutinho was a magnificent intermittent player. His cardiovascular system did not allow him to make efforts at the levels of Firmino, Mané, Can, Wijnaldun, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain or Lallana. The midfielders who most suited 4-3-3 last year were, based on the results of the tests, Henderson as midfielder and Wijnaldun with Can as flyers.

    Explosive and decisive in short spaces, Coutinho lacked the heart and lungs to perform with continuity in the great spaces of the midfield. In the physical tests that simulated situations of the game, after two sprints60 meters Coutinho could not recover without remaining half a minute completely stopped. Too much, given the tactical demands. With the emphasis on permanent dynamism, Klopp discarded Coutinho to integrate the midfield in the 4-3-3. Even when he placed it as an end, he found that it disengaged in the folds. During several days he tried a 4-2-3-1 to place him behind the point, with a smaller radius of action to avoid suffering. If he played as a second point he could stay off the hook without generating serious imbalances, while the rest of the team was ordered 20 meters back. But the 4-2-3-1, in Klopp's opinion, did not allow the team to occupy the spaces in the most efficient way possible.

    From perplexity to laughter
    Barca's first offer for Coutinho amounted to 60 million euros, about a year ago. Klopp's reaction was perplexing. He thought that Barcelona had the three squares of the attack covered with Messi, Suarez and Neymar. When they told him that Bartomeu would sign Dembelé to replace Neymar and offer more than 100 million for Coutinho to act as relay for Iniesta, his amazement broke into hilarity. According to an employee of the English club, Klopp was blunt: "Coutinho is a fabulous striker but he will never feel comfortable in 4-3-3 as an inside; and much less if he has to play in the post of Iniesta in the 4-4-2 that Valverde practices in the defensive phase, where the longest runs should do the wings. Iniesta is a long distance runner. Coutinho no. "

    With Coutinho as an insider in 4-3-3, this season Liverpool sank against Sevilla (3-3) in the Champions League, and drew Anfield against Burnley (1-1). The two parties had the character of trials and both provided clear evidence. In December, Klopp had no doubts about Coutinho's incompatibility as a midfielder. The statistics did not guarantee to be a starter in the front. In the 2016/17 season Coutinho played 36 games, scored 14 goals and had nine assists; while in the 46 matches that this course adds, Salah has scored 41 goals and has given 13 assists.

    Two weeks ago, Liverpool eliminated Manchester City from the Champions League and this Tuesday is measured against Roma in the first leg of the semifinals. Salah's adaptation to the far right made Phil Coutinho the most expensive substitute in history. Made the transfer to Barça, the team of the reds boasts of being the beneficiary of an economic ball whose sporting consequences seem equally spectacular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Could anyone tell me when the time/date of the arsenal game will be confirmed 100%
    Would like to sort travel/accommodation out as soon as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,493 ✭✭✭mosstin


    Spur's are a few signing from being a really really good side
    Don't forget they barley played a home game in the last 2 season's


    They just need to separate the wheat from the chaff.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    blade1 wrote: »
    Could anyone tell me when the time/date of the arsenal game will be confirmed 100%
    Would like to sort travel/accommodation out as soon as possible.

    I saw someone else mention July 5th.


  • Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Delighted to see Mane get the credit he deserves in this thread.

    Of our front 3 he’d be the hardest to replace.

    I’ve been slightly concerned that he doesn’t feel the love, from the fans, in the same way Salah does.

    Also concerned that I never really see him and Salah celebrate together, on the pitch, like other players do.

    I think it’s fair to say that Salah has shown that he can be too selfish in front of goal. There’s been a few times Mane has been, rightly, pissed off that Salah has gone it alone. It needs to stop.

    Mane is class and feels irreplaceable whereas I don’t think we’d struggle as much to replace Salah.

    I’m already fearing the day Mane (or Bobby) leaves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    5starpool wrote: »
    I saw someone else mention July 5th.

    Cheers, at the moment on the lfc site it says the game is on the 24/08 at 3pm.
    Surely it will change so it will be shown on TV.
    Would it be more likely to be on Sunday 25th,I wonder????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Dickerty wrote: »
    This is why, for me, he's more important than Salah. He just terrorises defenders every game, like Firmino but in more dangerous areas. Salah can be less present in some games, can cause attacks to break down by trying to beat one too many, not getting into the box to get on the end of things. But they all contribute to the whole.

    I also think he's the hardest to replace - pace, finishing with both feet and head, attitude, fitness levels...

    Remember back when he was at Southampton and he was being linked with Man U? Pheeeewww!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    blade1 wrote: »
    Cheers, at the moment on the lfc site it says the game is on the 24/08 at 3pm.
    Surely it will change so it will be shown on TV.
    Would it be more likely to be on Sunday 25th,I wonder????

    Well it will definitely change, that's a given. I'd say it's more likely it'll be on the Sunday, but you're still taking a risk as it could be shown at 5:30pm on Saturday evening as it was this season. It could even be a Monday night, but if my life depended on it i'd say a Sunday. Depends how much you want to take the risk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Remember back when he was at Southampton and he was being linked with Man U? Pheeeewww!!

    He probably wouldn’t get into the team ahead of Rashford or Martial.


  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    He probably wouldn’t get into the team ahead of Rashford or Martial.

    None of the Liverpool team would. Obviously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    He probably wouldn’t get into the team ahead of Rashford or Martial.

    Sure they didn't even want him anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Redcafe is full of sheepish recent posts in threads about most of Liverpool's signings since about 2016


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Video of all Liverpool's goals vs Spurs since 2010 - some load of pens (and doesn't even include the CL final)! Also took me back to just how good Suarez was, in fairness.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Fj3ICMZZY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,428 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    haven't we got enough enemies without cultivating new ones? Meh, we're the worst, carry on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The front 3 scored 160 goals and had 67 assists between them in the last two seasons that is just nuts.


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