Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

13-06-2019 09:17PM

given how jumpy the side admins are about this kind of thing usually, its absolutely staggering how many posts in this thread just today have explicitly and directly accused these guys of rape or sexual assault

worth remembering next time we cant mention something over the threat of legal action

Ruraldweller56 · 13-06-2019 09:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Meanwhile, poster finds everyone else is to blame!

Au contraire my man. I blame them just as much.

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:19PM

Kenny B wrote: »

Modern 18-25 years behave this way,

Mobile phones probably didn't exist when you were in that age bracket, yet you happily pass judgement on people,

You seem to be praising them. I know quite a few 18-25 year olds who really don't behave this way. The judgement, where it exists, is on the behaviour, which by any standards is pretty poor.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:19PM

jm08 wrote: »

I think they did delete them. The police were able to retrieve some of them.

Have you a link to that?

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:20PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Au contraire my man. I blame them just as much.

Well, why not say that instead of going for silly nonsense?

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:22PM

I presume Neil Francis is currently being roasted by the twitter mob for his comments on Prime Time.
I can see Guinness getting a bit of a roasting for this in the circles they were sponsoring. As Francis said, their sponsorship isn't pivotal to the club. They have been told to sod off, and fair play to London Irish, shame our own clubs wouldn't do it too.

jeffleppard · 13-06-2019 09:22PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Not one of the messages she highlights in her tweet is actually from PJ.

What the f**k is an intersectional feminist anyway. She sounds like an absolute dose.

My general impression is that a fairly sizeable percentage of Jackson's detractors, particularly on Twitter, know little or nothing about the actual facts of the trial and nor do they care - a bit like Farage or Bojo, facts are totally secondary, the main goal is relentlessly pursuing the agenda

c.p.w.g.w · 13-06-2019 09:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

You seem to be praising them. I know quite a few 18-25 year olds who really don't behave this way. The judgement, where it exists, is on the behaviour, which by any standards is pretty poor.

You would be very surprised how they act in a group.

I am in my early 30's, i have sent some fairly questionable material within different watsapp groups. Stuff that i found funny in a frankie boyle way. But if these were posted all over twitter it certainly wouldn't be a fair reflection on how i actually feel about disabled people for example.

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:26PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

You would be very surprised how they act in a group.

I am in my early 30's, i have sent some fairly questionable material within different watsapp groups. Stuff that i found funny in a frankie boyle way. But if these were posted all over twitter it certainly wouldn't be a fair reflection on how i actually feel about disabled people for example.

It's really not new at all, just a different format and far more unfiltered these days. Social media amplifies it. Idiots will always be idiots.

Yeah_Right · 13-06-2019 09:26PM

KaneToad wrote: »

"There was a lot of spit roast last night"

That is shocking! Disgusting! I'm outraged and offended!

I actually think he said just "spit" not "spit roast". But obviously I'm still outraged.

What did Darren Cave write?

What did the complainant write in a message accompanying a photo of the other girls at the house?

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:27PM

jeffleppard wrote: »

My general impression is that a fairly sizeable percentage of Jackson's detractors, particularly on Twitter, know little or nothing about the actual facts of the trial and nor do they care - a bit like Farage or Bojo, facts are totally secondary, the main goal is relentlessly pursuing the agenda

+1

#metoo attack dogs, facts nor real people don't matter, the twitter suffragettes will have their day.

Ruraldweller56 · 13-06-2019 09:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, why not say that instead of going for silly nonsense?

What 'silly nonsense' am I going for, exactly?

The ones vilifying these lads the most are deranged feminist extremists and rabid liberals who want kids in primary school putting condoms on bananas and then act surprised that these lads wound up the way they are.

If you think that's me defending them or blaming everyone else you're off the mark.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 09:28PM

Kenny B wrote: »

Modern 18-25 years behave this way,

Mobile phones probably didn't exist when you were in that age bracket, yet you happily pass judgement on people,

I’m 35. What are you talking about? Mobile phone became commonplace when I was 16 or 17. I was in the 18-25 age bracket from 2002-2009. What age did you think I was?

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:30PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

What 'silly nonsense' am I going for, exactly?

The ones vilifying these lads the most are deranged feminist extremists and rabid liberals who want kids in primary school putting condoms on bananas and then act surprised that these lads wound up the way they are.

If you think that's me defending them or blaming everyone else you're off the mark.

This sounds quite a lot like the wild stuff that you're ranting about. Why do you care what you people you don't know have to say about anything?

Kenny B · 13-06-2019 09:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

You seem to be praising them. I know quite a few 18-25 year olds who really don't behave this way. The judgement, where it exists, is on the behaviour, which by any standards is pretty poor.

To an extent i would be, they tried to move on with their lives after the trial but people refuse to accept the possibility that they are innocent. They are innocent, it's a fact and there are people destroying their lives for revenge when the mob don't even know all the facts.

Nobody has to choose a side here, i don't understand how condemning them for saying allegedly nasty stuff makes it ok to destroy them.

Frankie Boyle

Kenny B · 13-06-2019 09:31PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m 35. What are you talking about? Mobile phone became commonplace when I was 16 or 17. I was in the 18-25 age bracket from 2002-2009. What age did you think I was?

150

Ruraldweller56 · 13-06-2019 09:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This sounds quite a lot like the wild stuff that you're ranting about. Why do you care what you people you don't know have to say about anything?

What you people you don't know have to say?

Try English.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 09:34PM

Kenny B wrote: »

150

Ah. I see what I’m dealing with here. Thanks for giving notice!

_blaaz · 13-06-2019 09:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hide? What are you on about. They were not on trial for the whatsapp messages.

They should been...if they carried on about my sister like.this....id not be too impressed with them not facing sancture

But like i said,hide behind the courts all you want.....ots obvious to see who your siding with

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:36PM

_blaaz wrote: »

They should been...if they carried on about my sister like.this....id not be too impressed with them not facing sancture

But like i said,hide behind the courts all you want.....ots obvious to see who your siding with

I'm allowing all involved, including the one you are identifying with as your sister, the liberty to make a mistake and to move on with their lives.

Is that reasonable?

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:37PM

Kenny B wrote: »

To an extent i would be, they tried to move on with their lives after the trial but people refuse to accept the possibility that they are innocent. They are innocent, it's a fact and there are people destroying their lives for revenge when the mob don't even know all the facts.

Nobody has to choose a side here, i don't understand how condemning them for saying allegedly nasty stuff makes it ok to destroy them.

Frankie Boyle

There is an element of this that some people find very distasteful and they are not going to change their minds on it. While many will accept the verdict some of the other behaviour still leaves them with a poor view of both. Once their careers end that will fade but this will follow them until then.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There is an element of this that some people find very distasteful and they are not going to change their minds on it. While many will accept the verdict some of the other behaviour still leaves them with a poor view of both. Once their careers end that will fade but this will follow them until then.

A major club has accepted the loss of two sponsors and still wants him to play for them.

The mob are losing.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 09:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There is an element of this that some people find very distasteful and they are not going to change their minds on it. While many will accept the verdict some of the other behaviour still leaves them with a poor view of both. Once their careers end that will fade but this will follow them until then.

That’s my view pretty much. And thankfully the thought police don’t exist so that’s how it’ll remain.

jm08 · 13-06-2019 09:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you a link to that?

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/full-transcript-text-messages-sent-12283375

If you go down through the texts, it tells you some messages were deleted and/or retrieved.

_blaaz · 13-06-2019 09:42PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm allowing all involved, including the one you are identifying with as your sister, the liberty to make a mistake and to move on with their lives.

Is that reasonable?

Not if it was my sister (which it wasnt).no

I dont make mistakes like this,why should i put up with others doing so??

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:42PM

jm08 wrote: »

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/full-transcript-text-messages-sent-12283375

If you go down through the texts, it tells you some messages were deleted and/or retrieved.

I knew that. You said all were deleted.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 09:43PM

_blaaz wrote: »

Not if it was my sister (which it wasnt).no

I dont make mistakes like this,why should i put up with others doing so??

Have you ever made a mistake?

Ever objectified a woman?

GhostyMcGhost · 13-06-2019 09:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ever been dick yourself or are you squeaky clean and without mistake?

Nobody, not even me are "squeaky clean". Of course I've made mistakes

Have I ever had a gang bang and bragged to the lads about it using degrading language?... No can't say I have

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 09:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A major club has accepted the loss of two sponsors and still wants him to play for them.

The mob are losing.

That's their prerogative just as it is the prerogative of the "mob" to hold their views. It's not right or wrong, just positions which you agree or disagree with.

_blaaz · 13-06-2019 09:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you ever made a mistake?

Ever objectified a woman?

Not to extent of messing was going on here,no

Yous can defend it all yous want,but id be hoping they give alot of time looking over there shoulder for retribution incoming for their carry on

Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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