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Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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    #3062
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They admitted to making a mistake. Same as Jackson and Olding did.

    If they done or spoke about my sisters the way they did about that girl....its jail they should be in or at a minimum be left in a way that they'll not ever play rugby again


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    #3063
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    _blaaz wrote: »
    If they done or spoke about my sisters the way they did about that girl....its jail they should be in or at a minimum be left in a way that they'll not ever play rugby again

    Nice. Left in a way that they'll never play rugby again? What exactly do you mean by that?


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    #3064
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They admitted to making a mistake. Same as Jackson and Olding did.

    Yeah, all mistakes are exactly the same:rolleyes:

    *Slow handclap.


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    #3065
    Stheno
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    One thing we know for sure. The rugby players lied in their statements in court. I see nothing wrong with the Guinness advert.

    How do we know they lied in court?


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    #3066
    Gangu
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭Gangu


    Brands don’t have to play judge and jury on a trial but they do have choice about what faces to associate with their brand. Look how the pathetic insults are slung around this thread.

    What brand would want to be associated with those horrible text messages that came out in court and defence strategy, echoed in tone by those supporters of pj on this thread?

    Good call by Diageo, the judgment of a multi million euro brand. We can see why by this decision. I have more respect for them. I will start drinking Diageo drinks. To not make this choice would say that the facts that were proven, the behaviour, the language the texts are acceptable.

    Bravo Diageo.


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    #3067
    _blaaz
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    mfceiling wrote: »
    Nice. Left in a way that they'll never play rugby again? What exactly do you mean by that?

    Make of it what you want mate.....noone should be left carry on the way they did and away with it scot free.


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    #3068
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Make of it what you want mate.....noone should be left carry on the way they did and away with it scot free.

    They didn't get away " Scot free". Both had their careers destroyed and faced heavy legal fees as well as being vilified by "social media warriors".

    Remind me again what was the verdict of the judge and jury?


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    #3069
    weldoninhio
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    Stheno wrote: »
    How do we know they lied in court?

    Because if we take each of their statements at face value, the laws of physics would need to be re-written.


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    #3070
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Do people really think Diageo were ever going to be as reckless with the good name of their brand as Paddy Jackson was with his own good name when he had one. His behaviour led to some very ugly revelations regarding his conduct with and his attitude to his sexual partner and other women and people think Diageo should willingly link themselves to that. As if.


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    #3071
    _blaaz
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    mfceiling wrote: »
    They didn't get away " Scot free". Both had their careers destroyed and faced heavy legal fees as well as being vilified by "social media warriors".

    Remind me again what was the verdict of the judge and jury?

    Meh...they didnt face sancture for what they owned upto,which was pretty scummy behaviour by any measure

    Like i said...if they done it to my sisters id not be as forgiving tbh.....not on social media,so.has no real effect on my thinking



    But ya you hide behind british justice system all you want....hope youll be as happy,if was your sisters caught up in it


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    #3072
    whampiri
    Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭whampiri


    Bad form and call by Ulster and now Diageo. Guys were tried and acquitted. End of. If people want them punished by society, then go change the laws and how the burden of proof is applied. Until then, these men are innocent.

    The way in which their trial was used as a showcase and "evidence" paraded about has destroyed their livelihoods for too long. In Ireland they wouldn't have been named and the evidence would not have come out. The northern system is a joke whereby even when found not guilty, you can still be persecuted.


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    #3073
    Kenny B
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Kenny B


    _blaaz wrote: »
    If they done or spoke about my sisters the way they did about that girl....its jail they should be in or at a minimum be left in a way that they'll not ever play rugby again

    I've seen your sisters and they'd be lucky to even get noticed by Paddy


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    #3074
    Gangu
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭Gangu


    whampiri wrote: »
    Bad form and call by Ulster and now Diageo. Guys were tried and acquitted. End of. If people want them punished by society, then go change the laws and how the burden of proof is applied. Until then, these men are innocent.

    The way in which their trial was used as a showcase and "evidence" paraded about has destroyed their livelihoods for too long. In Ireland they wouldn't have been named and the evidence would not have come out. The northern system is a joke whereby even when found not guilty, you can still be persecuted.

    You are missing the point. It’s not about the verdict. It’s business. They showed their true characters by the information that came out and they are toxic brand wise. Which is good. The facts they admitted to would appal most people, if not you. Why would the brand take that on because you feel sorry for them.

    I bet everyone saying that they will stop drinking Diageo drinks on this thread will not stick to that promise either.


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    #3075
    Gangu
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭Gangu


    Kenny B wrote: »
    I've seen your sisters and they'd be lucky to even get noticed by Paddy
    Ha. Is that the best you have? School yard. Or should I say locker room


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    #3076
    martingriff
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    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    It might be a big faceless corporation but this is the right move by Diageo. Hope London Irish folds. Imagine stooping so low as to sign someone with Jackson’s history.

    Jackson derves a chance and maybe he can turn it around. Yes due to his statement and threatening suing actions after the trial he went down in a lot of people's (like mine) estimation he can actually be redeemable.

    London Irish have decided to give him a go and I am sure they will have a few eyes on him and could have less changes to **** up then other players before they cut and run


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    #3077
    FrancieBrady
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    One thing we know for sure. The rugby players lied in their statements in court. I see nothing wrong with the Guinness advert.

    You don't but many did and Guinness agreed, and apologised.
    No different to what these lads did about their private whatsapp chat.


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    #3078
    Kenny B
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Kenny B


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Meh...they didnt face sancture for what they owned upto,which was pretty scummy behaviour by any measure

    Like i said...if they done it to my sisters id not be as forgiving tbh.....not on social media,so.has no real effect on my thinking



    But ya you hide behind british justice system all you want....hope youll be as happy,if was your sisters caught up in it

    You do know that at their trial, there was a female witness who was not drinking that night who gave evidence to seeing a consensual threesome when she walked in on them. That was the most damning piece of the whole trial.

    The girl who was seen with Jackson & Olding on a bed afterwards said rape, they've been punished far too much already,

    They slagged off a girl on private whatsapp messages, you're threatening violence on a public forum - You're every bit as bad as you're making them out to be.


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    #3079
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Kenny B wrote: »
    Throw your Whatsapp up for public consumption and we see what kind of a saint you really are,

    As a wise man once said, 'Let he with out Sin, cop on and make up for lost time',

    I can’t speak for anyone else but I would quite happily show the contents of all my WhatsApp threads to anyone here. I find odd the occasional comments on this thread that “most people” or “everyone” has spoken like they did at some stage or other. It’s not the case.


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    #3080
    GhostyMcGhost
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You don't but many did and Guinness agreed, and apologised.
    No different to what these lads did about their private whatsapp chat.

    So it's OK to be in c*nt in private so long as nobody knows

    Innocent of rape, yes

    Being class A dick heads.... 100% guilty


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    #3081
    mfceiling
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    Gangu wrote: »

    I bet everyone saying that they will stop drinking Diageo drinks on this thread will not stick to that promise either.

    I will. I enjoy a pint of Guinness but hey ho I'm free to make a choice as well.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/guinness-to-pull-six-nations-ads-over-immigrant-offence-concerns-1.3780342

    I'm interested in this as well. What would Diageo have done if the twitter mob had gone into full swing and started shaming them and asking for their drinks to be pulled from bars, music and sports venues.? Diageo apologise and the mob say "no way we don't accept this". Diageo say "but we made a mistake and no offence was meant" but it's too late because the mob have spoken.
    Luckily for them it was only offensive to a few immigrants and sure who cares about them eh?


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    #3082
    Kenny B
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Kenny B


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I can’t speak for anyone else but I would quite happily show the contents of all my WhatsApp threads to anyone here. I find odd the occasional comments on this thread that “most people” or “everyone” has spoken like they did at some stage or other. It’s not the case.

    Are you aged between 18 & 25?


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    #3083
    rob316
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    He's an unsavoury character and we got a good insight into him in the trial but it's ott Diageo dropping London Irish over it. I wouldn't even make the connection.
    I can understand it but don't think it's necessary.


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    #3084
    FrancieBrady
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    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    So it's OK to be in c*nt in private so long as nobody knows

    Innocent of rape, yes

    Being class A dick heads.... 100% guilty

    Ever been dick yourself or are you squeaky clean and without mistake?


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    #3085
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I find odd the occasional comments on this thread that “most people” or “everyone” has spoken like they did at some stage or other. It’s not the case.

    And you know this to be factual how?


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    #3086
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ever been dick yourself or are you squeaky clean and without mistake?

    Nope.....never to extent they were


    Like i said....if was a relative of mine...i wouldnt be a bit pleased they are still out making a living given what theyve owned upto


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    #3087
    _blaaz
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    Kenny B wrote: »
    They slagged off a girl on private whatsapp messages, you're threatening violence on a public forum - You're every bit as bad as you're making them out to be.


    Where have i threatened violence??

    Girl involved wasnt related to me?


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    #3088
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Nope.....never to extent they were


    Like i said....if was a relative of mine...i wouldnt be a bit pleased they are still out making a living given what theyve owned upto

    If your relative is getting off her head, and going upstairs in the houses of men she doesn't know on her own, then you have bigger fish to fry than seeing to it a couple lads never get the peace to work again tbh blaaz.


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    #3089
    Gangu
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭Gangu


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I will. I enjoy a pint of Guinness but hey ho I'm free to make a choice as well.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/guinness-to-pull-six-nations-ads-over-immigrant-offence-concerns-1.3780342

    I'm interested in this as well. What would Diageo have done if the twitter mob had gone into full swing and started shaming them and asking for their drinks to be pulled from bars, music and sports venues.? Diageo apologise and the mob say "no way we don't accept this". Diageo say "but we made a mistake and no offence was meant" but it's too late because the mob have spoken.
    Luckily for them it was only offensive to a few immigrants and sure who cares about them eh?

    Given your defence of these people here perhaps the loss of your custom is a net gain to Diageo, you won’t be seen drinking their brands. These guys’ actions to which they admitted in court and their strategies were indefensible and your self sacrifice is supportive of the scene that they were into. Well done Diageo for disconnecting from it.


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    #3090
    mfceiling
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Nope.....never to extent they were


    Like i said....if was a relative of mine...i wouldnt be a bit pleased they are still out making a living given what theyve owned upto

    I'm interested in this "I wouldn't be a bit pleased they are still out making a living" bit.

    Do you want them beaten to a pulp?
    Limbs amputated?
    Homeless on the streets?
    Jailed for life because you didn't believe the jury?


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    #3091
    suicide_circus
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    a lot of jock resentment going on here


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