Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

beauf · 11-06-2019 12:38AM

sdanseo wrote: »

Exactly. Re-read what you quoted, and my reply.

Then it makes no sense. As I wasn't talking about the OP. So regardless that you mentioned the OP it made no sense to quote me.

sdanseo wrote: »

Never said it was illegal. It's inconsiderate.

The law treats it differently for a reason. Just because you don't agree with it... Or understand it. Doesn't make it less valid.

sdanseo wrote: »

I can only preach common sense in this regard, stats on accidents where someone speeds up to overtake are ultimately going to be disproportionately slated as "speed a factor" more quickly than anything else. It's an easy label with a very simple measurement for enforcement unlike the many other types of shoddy driving which aren't so easy to measure, and therefore aren't enforced.
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So thats a no you can't back it up with stats...

There's been some cases in the media. But considering lots of more dangerous stuff gets ignored all day long, and other stuff is flat out more dangerous. It's hardly surprising they hardly enforce it.

beauf · 11-06-2019 12:43AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

It's also exceptionally inconsiderate.

Depends when and how it's done. Sometimes it's people being entirely ignorant but then sometimes it's qenuinely for safety.

sdanseo · 11-06-2019 12:55AM

beauf wrote: »

Then it makes no sense. As I wasn't talking about the OP. So regardless that you mentioned the OP it made no sense to quote me.

You said that this describes heavy traffic:

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just for curiosity, and honesty too. If you were driving slow and you had a large queue of vehicles behind you, would you have the courtesy to pull over ( if safe to do so)

It doesn't. Heavy traffic implies the slow driver is obstructed by other traffic.
A driver going slowly in an otherwise unobstructed road is totally different.

beauf · 11-06-2019 01:26AM

Yep nothing about unobstructed road ahead. Shouldn't have been so vague...

if I'm in very traffic tomorrow. I could be driving slow and there could be a queue behind me.

tuxy · 11-06-2019 02:06AM

Fast drivers....Fast for a reason...

First Up · 11-06-2019 07:31AM

Hal3000 wrote:

Drove home from Cork today. Flashed, tailgated and given the finger for doing 100km in the middle lane. Amount of people breaking the 60km enforcement limit near Naas is crazy. Hope they all get caught. We cannot drive in this country!

Why were you in the middle lane?

First Up · 11-06-2019 07:33AM

Hal3000 wrote:

Sorry the driving lane. I can do 100 as I please. I don't need lessons to go faster. I don't venture into the fast lane much except when overtaking.

The driving lane is the left lane. You do need lessons in how motorways work.

Hal3000 · 11-06-2019 07:37AM

First Up wrote: »

The driving lane is the left lane. You do need lessons in how motorways work.

No I don't sorry. I'm not the one tailgating people taking risks... Good try though.

JeffKenna · 11-06-2019 07:39AM

Hal3000 wrote: »

Drove home from Cork today. Flashed, tailgated and given the finger for doing 100km in the middle lane. Amount of people breaking the 60km enforcement limit near Naas is crazy. Hope they all get caught. We cannot drive in this country!

Have they got rid of the cameras around Naas??

Hal3000 · 11-06-2019 07:44AM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Have they got rid of the cameras around Naas??

Hopefully not

First Up · 11-06-2019 09:03AM

Hal3000 wrote:

No I don't sorry. I'm not the one tailgating people taking risks... Good try though.

Get a lesson.

tphase · 11-06-2019 09:36AM

beauf wrote: »

You can't have left in plenty of time, if you didn't make it, due to 6mins.

in fairness, you're right. I should have left the night before to avoid the unpredictable number of dangerous drivers I got held up by. In any case, my point is 6 minutes can be a significant amount of time in certain cases which you don't dispute.

Cordell · 11-06-2019 09:51AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Let's stop referring to 'accidents' - terminology designed to let motorists off the hook. You won't hear Gardai or RSA using that terminology. They are crashes or collisions.

Accidental crashes or collisions, that's what they are. They are accidental as they were not intended.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But rather than hypothetical scenarios, I was hoping for some concrete evidence - something comparable to the work done by the RSA that shows that inappropriate speed was a factor in about a third of road deaths.

It's impossible to determine that a slow driver was the root cause of an accident that didn't involve him as it's impossible to measure the speed after the fact. Also it's not against the law to drive slower that the rest of the drivers, it's just unsafe. And inconsiderate. Simple, really.

beauf · 11-06-2019 09:55AM

tphase wrote: »

in fairness, you're right. I should have left the night before to avoid the unpredictable number of dangerous drivers I got held up by. In any case, my point is 6 minutes can be a significant amount of time in certain cases which you don't dispute.

Oh I did dispute it. Hence why you're disagreeing with me.

corks finest · 11-06-2019 10:00AM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Hal3000 wrote: »

Drove home from Cork today. Flashed, tailgated and given the finger for doing 100km in the middle lane. Amount of people breaking the 60km enforcement limit near Naas is crazy. Hope they all get caught. We cannot drive in this country!

Have they got rid of the cameras around Naas??

No

Isambard · 11-06-2019 10:23AM

First Up wrote: »

The driving lane is the left lane. You do need lessons in how motorways work.

there is no middle lane on the (I presume) M8. Presumably means the Naas Rd N8 where the limit is 100. Should still drive in the left lane when available.

jmayo · 11-06-2019 10:42AM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

My car can overtake quicker than most. Nothing crazy, but more power than I need to safely overtake in most circumstances, and more often than not, I use it.

In a 65km section of road I often drive, there is just 4 safe overtaking places. I know the road very well, and there's nothing I can do to change that

The most dangerous incidences I've seen on the road, are due to impatient idiots who think they have a quick car, and try to overtake myself and the slower car on blind bends, or on a short straight that opposing traffic will enter quickly.

I come up behind a slow driver on country roads, I'll sit there until the next place where I *know* I can overtake safely.

Noone is forcing you to overtake, so there's no excuse doing it when you can't do it safely.

What is your definition of safe overtaking places ?
Is you definition a quarter mile straight ?

I have seen people on the old Dublin Galway road around places like Moate with miles of straight refusing to overtake.
Likewise with old sections of N5 out of Mullingar or Longford.
Likewise with section of N4 out of Boyle, Carrick on Shannon, etc.

No one is saying overtake on a blind bend or a blind crest, but seriously if you can see appreciable distance and have clear road WTF are people waiting for, a flashing invitation ?

And the amount of fookers that will hog the white line rather than move in even slightly towards hard shoulder is incredible.

Actually few years found driving in Crete to be an eye opener.
Yes there was some crazy shyte at on ramps to dual carriage ways, but they had interesting novel approach where people moved onto hard shoulder to let traffic pass.

First Up · 11-06-2019 10:58AM

Isambard wrote:

there is no middle lane on the (I presume) M8. Presumably means the Naas Rd N8 where the limit is 100. Should still drive in the left lane when available.

Someone who refers to the "fast lane" and "the lane beside it" is clearly in need of instruction.

tphase · 11-06-2019 11:46AM

beauf wrote: »

Oh I did dispute it. Hence why you're disagreeing with me.

Read your own post. You didn't dispute it because you have no basis to do so, instead you simplisticly suggested I couldn't have left in plenty of time.

Still fair play, you must have great balance being to type while in the saddle :rolleyes:

beauf · 11-06-2019 12:04PM

I disagreed that the time was wasted significant for anyone, before you posted about missing a ferry by 6 mins.
They ask people to be 45-60 mins early for a ferry crossing. if you missed it by 6 mins, you obviously weren't.
As stories go and seconds being significant, Galaxy Quest did it much better with their plot....

I get irritated by slow drivers as well. But their impact is blown way out of context by most people.

tphase · 11-06-2019 02:55PM

beauf wrote: »

I get irritated by slow drivers as well. But their impact is blown way out of context by most people.

I don't get irritated by slow drivers if they are driving consistently - I know I will get my chance to overtake them at some point. However inconsiderate, inconsistent, incompetent drivers who deliberately or otherwise prevent others from making reasonable progress are a menace and I would suggest these constitute the majority of "slow" drivers

beauf · 11-06-2019 03:25PM

tphase wrote: »

I don't get irritated by slow drivers if they are driving consistently - I know I will get my chance to overtake them at some point. However inconsiderate, inconsistent, incompetent drivers who deliberately or otherwise prevent others from making reasonable progress are a menace and I would suggest these constitute the majority of "slow" drivers

I dunno I find they are much more common in the overtaking lanes.

tphase · 11-06-2019 04:21PM

beauf wrote: »

I dunno I find they are much more common in the overtaking lanes.

I'll agree with you there. Anytime I use the M50, there's always slower drivers in the overtaking lanes.....

AndrewJRenko · 11-06-2019 04:54PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

It is.

It's also exceptionally inconsiderate.

https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1082177361406234624?s=19

biko · 11-06-2019 04:58PM

This thread is about slow drivers blocking other drivers.
Leave the cyclists angle out please.

AndrewJRenko · 11-06-2019 05:04PM

Cordell wrote: »

Accidental crashes or collisions, that's what they are. They are accidental as they were not intended.

It's impossible to determine that a slow driver was the root cause of an accident that didn't involve him as it's impossible to measure the speed after the fact. Also it's not against the law to drive slower that the rest of the drivers, it's just unsafe. And inconsiderate. Simple, really.

Drivers don't 'accidently' speed or 'accidently' play with Snapchat.

So with all the civil and criminal court proceedings, Garda and Coroner inquiries, dashcam footage and more, it's not possible to identify slow driving as a cause in the way that speeding has been identified worldwide as a major cause of road deaths?

kirving · 11-06-2019 06:13PM

jmayo wrote: »

What is your definition of safe overtaking places ?
Is you definition a quarter mile straight ?

A place where I can see the road is clear, and will remain clear for the duration of the overtake. Most of the time, it's the second part that catches the impatient out. They never seem to think that a car might come around the bend in the distance.

On 60km of regional roads, that criteria is met around 4 times (more if it's a tractor of course). A speed camera is a common sight on the longest section of straight road between Athlone and Tuam, so people are encouraged to overtake elsewhere. Go figure.

jmayo wrote: »

I have seen people on the old Dublin Galway road around places like Moate with miles of straight refusing to overtake.
Likewise with old sections of N5 out of Mullingar or Longford.
Likewise with section of N4 out of Boyle, Carrick on Shannon, etc.

Fair enough. The slower car should be in out of the way. What I see most of in situations like this is the second car decides to tailgate, which does nothing to but intimidate the slower car, and mean that they then have to accelerate on the wrong side of the road when they eventually do overatake. Best is to stay back, accelerate on the correct side, pop out, and pop back in quickly.

jmayo wrote: »

No one is saying overtake on a blind bend or a blind crest, but seriously if you can see appreciable distance and have clear road WTF are people waiting for, a flashing invitation ?

And the amount of fookers that will hog the white line rather than move in even slightly towards hard shoulder is incredible.

Depends on the road of course, and not to drag this debate back to cycling, but cyclists (rightly) move out to the middle of the road to force the driver to wait for a safe place. If you can't overtake safely with the car on the white line, then you probably shouldn't be overtaking.

jmayo wrote: »

Actually few years found driving in Crete to be an eye opener.
Yes there was some crazy shyte at on ramps to dual carriage ways, but they had interesting novel approach where people moved onto hard shoulder to let traffic pass.

Yeah, there's no way I'm driving on the hard shoulder to let others pass if I'm doing the limit. Full of debris, and liable to have a car pull out onto it from a side road.

blade1 · 11-06-2019 06:19PM

Any chance mods would delete the cycling rubbish?

bmc58 · 11-06-2019 07:06PM

Kevin Irving wrote: »

My car can overtake quicker than most. Nothing crazy, but more power than I need to safely overtake in most circumstances, and more often than not, I use it.

In a 65km section of road I often drive, there is just 4 safe overtaking places. I know the road very well, and there's nothing I can do to change that

I come up behind a slow driver on country roads, I'll sit there until the next place where I *know* I can overtake safely.

The most dangerous incidences I've seen on the road, are due to impatient idiots who think they have a quick car, and try to overtake myself and the slower car on blind bends, or on a short straight that opposing traffic will enter quickly.

Noone is forcing you to overtake, so there's no excuse doing it when you can't do it safely.

You sound like a F1 driving expert.

Larbre34 · 11-06-2019 07:23PM

Have to say I don't accept the premise of the OP.

I fully get that people with autism can be easily upset by all sorts of triggers inconsequential to the rest of us, but unless part of this young person's condition is that they focus on the speedometer, then only erractic driving and sharp acceleration or deceleration would be noticeable.

What I mean is, if the woman is driving 50 in an 80 zone for example, if she drives smoothly and defensively up to that speed or to 80, it should barely be noticeable to any occupant so long as the limit has been set appropriately for the particular road. To illustrate, your holiday airliner cruises at about 850 km/h, but because acceleration is gradual over maybe half an hour, you scarcely feel it, accept the necessary surge on takeoff.

Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

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