Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

AndrewJRenko · 10-06-2019 04:34PM

mgn wrote: »

Why can't the blame the muppet doing 60km with 20 car behind them when all the have do do is pull over for a few seconds.

Do you pull over in heavy urban traffic to let faster cyclists through?

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-06-2019 04:35PM

mgn wrote: »

No need for dangerous overtaking if the slow driver pulled over.

There's no need for dangerous overtaking, full-stop. The myth that driving slowly is somehow 'dangerous' is perpetuated by impatient people who are (a) not able/willing to safely overtake, and (b) not willing to take responsibility for their own actions. A slow driver who won't pull over, despite a queue of cars behind them, is certainly being selfish, but they're not doing anything dangerous and nor are they 'encouraging' others to take risks.

facehugger99 wrote:

If you're incapable of driving at more than 60kph on a 100kph road in perfect weather conditions, get the bus instead.

They're doing no harm. If you're incapable of getting to your destination on time, then just leave earlier. Delays - whether caused by collisions, roadworks, traffic volume or slow drivers - are just part and parcel of using public roads. If you can't cope with that without getting impatient, then you should really stay indoors.

mgn · 10-06-2019 04:38PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you pull over in heavy urban traffic to let faster cyclists through?

No because i don't drive in bus lanes.

mgn · 10-06-2019 04:41PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

There's no need for dangerous overtaking, full-stop. The myth that driving slowly is somehow 'dangerous' is perpetuated by impatient people who are (a) not able/willing to safely overtake, and (b) not willing to take responsibility for their own actions. A slow driver who won't pull over, despite a queue of cars behind them, is certainly being selfish, but they're not doing anything dangerous and nor are they 'encouraging' others to take risks.

They're doing no harm. If you're incapable of getting to your destination on time, then just leave earlier. Delays - whether caused by collisions, roadworks, traffic volume or slow drivers - are just part and parcel of using public roads. If you can't cope with that without getting impatient, then you should really stay indoors.

You should get back on your bike because you haven't a clue what's it like for people that's on the road every day.

AndrewJRenko · 10-06-2019 04:44PM

mgn wrote: »

No because i don't drive in bus lanes.

Who mentioned bus lanes - normal traffic on a normal road? Why don't you extend the same courtesy to faster cyclists that you expect slow drivers to extend to you?

AndrewJRenko · 10-06-2019 04:45PM

mgn wrote: »

You should get back on your bike because you haven't a clue what's it like for people that's on the road every day.

You know that cyclists ride on the road, right?

mgn · 10-06-2019 04:46PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Who mentioned bus lanes - normal traffic on a normal road? Why don't you extend the same courtesy to faster cyclists that you expect slow drivers to extend to you?

I will when the pay tax and insurance like everyone else.

beauf · 10-06-2019 04:48PM

mgn wrote: »

I will when the pay tax and insurance like everyone else.

They do pay tax and insurance like everyone else.

beauf · 10-06-2019 04:49PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Agreed, I'd also like to see the same logic applied to people who are unable to maintain a reasonable speed.

If you're incapable of driving at more than 60kph on a 100kph road in perfect weather conditions, get the bus instead.

Then you'll be held up by more buses. As they have to travel slower by law.

AndrewJRenko · 10-06-2019 04:51PM

mgn wrote: »

I will when the pay tax and insurance like everyone else.

When they start killing 2 or 3 people each week and maiming many more like everyone else, maybe then they might need insurance.

But it's great to hear that cyclists are tax exempt - where do I claim the refund for my income tax, my VAT and the motor tax paid for the car I left at home?

beauf · 10-06-2019 04:51PM

tphase wrote: »

6 minutes would have made the difference between me getting the ferry I was booked on, and getting home at a reasonable hour as opposed to having to get the later ferry and stay overnight in Belfast. Before you saddle up your high horse again, I left myself plenty of extra time to make it but there's no way to allow for the number of gob-sh1tes I got stuck behind who must feel their time is more valuable that anyone elses

You can't have left in plenty of time, if you didn't make it, due to 6mins.

mgn · 10-06-2019 04:51PM

beauf wrote: »

They do pay tax and insurance like everyone else.

So do i,but i also pay a separate tax and insurance to allowed to drive on a road cyclist don't.

beauf · 10-06-2019 04:59PM

mgn wrote: »

So do i,but i also pay a separate tax and insurance to allowed to drive on a road cyclist don't.

So your saying...if I have more than one car and cycle you have to show me more courtesy than someone with one car....and none to pedestrians using the road....

facehugger99 · 10-06-2019 05:11PM

beauf wrote: »

Then you'll be held up by more buses. As they have to travel slower by law.

I won't - I'll be traveling 20kph faster.

Isambard · 10-06-2019 05:12PM

Cyclists are paying everything the Law demands and are road users, just as Pedestrians are. They are fully entitled to be there and car drivers will just have to cope with that.

It's coming near the time when we'll wake up and see that unrestricted car use over the past 100+ years has caused huge damage to the Planet and to Society.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-06-2019 05:14PM

mgn wrote: »

You should get back on your bike because you haven't a clue what's it like for people that's on the road every day.

I drive buses for 9 hours a day, five days a week. I know what it's like for people that's on the road every day (sic).

beauf · 10-06-2019 05:15PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I won't - I'll be traveling 20kph faster.

Isn't this thread about people aren't able to overtake?

facehugger99 · 10-06-2019 05:21PM

beauf wrote: »

Isn't this thread about people aren't able to overtake?

Pretty sure it's about slow drivers.

corks finest · 10-06-2019 05:23PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Duckjob wrote: »

My my, we really don't do personal responsibility at all here in little ole Ireland, do we?

Only in Ireland will you have people who make decisions to speed and make decisions to overtake dangerously and then label the slower drivers as "dangerous".

For anyone interested in a quick physics refresher - Road injuries and fatalities in traffic collisions are caused by dissipation of high kinetic energy visited directly on people, or crushing caused to high kinetic energy visited on vehicles. The main functions of kinetic energy are MASS and VELOCITY. Higher velocity means more kinetic energy that has to dissipate in the event of a collision - more damage, more injuries, more fatalities.

Only place I can think of where being slow is legitimately dangerous is joining a motorway where you are entering lanes that already have high speed and heavy traffic. The rest is down to people making personal choices to up the danger level on our roads for the sake of what is in reality tiny gains of time.

That's simply irrelevant. All that dictate how bad an accident will be or how much damage will result. It will have very little to do with what causes most accidents.

think his legitimate point is speed kills

Cordell · 10-06-2019 05:26PM

Speed does not kill, the (usually large negative) acceleration does, and I felt the need to be pedantic because of the above pedantry. Also, kinetic energy depends on velocity squared (that is, double the velocity means quadruple the energy).
Now, about the slow drivers: they are part of the problem. Not the main part, but there is no need to dismiss their contribution to the problem.

Isambard · 10-06-2019 05:33PM

Cordell wrote: »

Speed does not kill, the (usually large negative) acceleration does, and I felt the need to be pedantic because of the above pedantry. Also, kinetic energy depends on velocity squared (that is, double the velocity means quadruple the energy).
Now, about the slow drivers: they are part of the problem. Not the main part, but there is no need to dismiss their contribution to the problem.

that doesn't make sense. In most accidents I'd say the brakes are hard on and no acceleration involved. SO maybe deceleration kills? No , don't think so

jmayo · 10-06-2019 05:33PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Wrong again, like i said i have clocked over 2 million miles and anytime i see dangerous overtaking it’s mostly is when a slow driver is at the top of the queue. I see it all the time.

There is a real bunch of muppets on our roads that think they are ultra safe drivers because they drive at 70 in an 80 or 90 in a 100 zone.

If someone passes them they often flash, but funnily enough if you soon go through a village or a 50 zone you will find they have miraculously caught right up because you have slowed right down to obey the limits in a slow zone.

They appear to be oblivious to these zones and just proceed at the exact same speed as before.

Now what is more dangerous 90 in an 80 or 60 in a 50 ?

Then there should be a special place in hell for the fookers that will just sit behind someone going a fair bit under the limit.
These spanners no matter how good the road and how good the conditions will not dare overtake.
This then means others have to overtake both them and the eejit at the head of the queue.

mgn · 10-06-2019 06:04PM

Isambard wrote: »

Cyclists are paying everything the Law demands and are road users, just as Pedestrians are. They are fully entitled to be there and car drivers will just have to cope with that.

It's coming near the time when we'll wake up and see that unrestricted car use over the past 100+ years has caused huge damage to the Planet and to Society.

Cyclists paying everything the law demands,which is nothing.

Not everybody lives in a city where the have access to Bus/Tax/Luas and dart and need cars to get around.

mgn · 10-06-2019 06:09PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I drive buses for 9 hours a day, five days a week. I know what it's like for people that's on the road every day (sic).

No surprise so that buses are always late if your happy to be stuck behind muppets.

beauf · 10-06-2019 06:10PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Pretty sure it's about slow drivers.

Pretty sure if you could pass them easily it would be a non issue.

So its about not being able to pass them easily. Overtake.

... and now about not having a luas in the middle of nowhere apparently.

beauf · 10-06-2019 06:11PM

mgn wrote: »

No surprise so that buses are always late if your happy to be stuck behind muppets.

How do you know if you don't use them.

mgn · 10-06-2019 06:22PM

beauf wrote: »

How do you know if you don't use them.

Where did i say i don't use them.

bmc58 · 10-06-2019 06:27PM

Must be a lot of 06 07/08 etc BMW and Audi drivers posting here.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-06-2019 06:34PM

mgn wrote: »

No surprise so that buses are always late if your happy to be stuck behind muppets.

I'm almost always on time - my biggest challenge is avoiding early running. The worst drivers I see on the roads are the impatient idiots who seem to be rushing everywhere, refusing to yield to buses attempting to pull out, accelerating aggressively towards roundabouts, in too much of a hurry to read the road ahead of them. Someone tried to overtake me when I was stopped at a pedestrian crossing today. He presumed I was at a bus stop and just had to get past. This is a regular occurrence.

Cordell · 10-06-2019 06:51PM

Isambard wrote: »

that doesn't make sense. In most accidents I'd say the brakes are hard on and no acceleration involved. SO maybe deceleration kills? No , don't think so

I wasn't referring to the pedal

Yes, deceleration, that is negative acceleration. Usually is negative, but it can be positive just as well, when you're killed by a car rear ending the one you're driving or just standing still. Large sudden acceleration (negative or positive) is what inflicts most injures.

Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

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