Clare GAA discussion thread

windy shepard henderson · 09-06-2019 08:23PM

letowski wrote: »

Management made the downright crazy, lunatic call of playing Podge and Kelly on the same half forward line. They neither are able to win ball or carry it through contact and we were blown out of it as a result. Maddening, just inexcusable as we had the same issue last year when we played Reidy there. Didnt change it then until Ryan came on around 50 minutes. They havent learned anything. Unacceptable.

100% , duggan the first man off last week again , 0-11 points today conlon has scored what a goal in 3 games and played almost every minute

they have done massive work for clare hurling in the last 10 or 11 years but from a senior prospective this is the end of the road

FoxHouse · 09-06-2019 08:24PM

As poor a performance from Clare as I've seen in a long time probably since 94. Something wrong in set up even before we hit the field. We are away back. Sad day

Clareman · 09-06-2019 08:26PM

There's isn't a whole lot wrong with this bunch of players but the main problem of a complete lack of leaders can't be fixed overnight, players who should be leaders just go missing, saying that, if it wasn't for the Limerick backs fouling Conlon everytime he went for the ball we'd have been lucky to get 10 scores in total today.

Clareman · 09-06-2019 08:36PM

In case anyone wants to dream

Boom__Boom · 09-06-2019 08:47PM

Donald Trumped wrote: »

Pat Fitz and Dalo do not meet eye to eye after a number of clashes while Dalo was Clare senior hurling manager.

The problem that Pat Fitz has is that he cannot assume that no one else will put their name into the ring for Clare senior hurling manager outside of his son unlike in 2011 when he was the leading candidate and there was zero interest outside of him. If Dalo wants the job, then no man, including the infamous man with the purple jumper, cannot stop him from being a contender. Dalo also has the backing of many club delegates which will also be a good sign. It will be interesting to say the least.

I felt Dalo was being very diplomatic with his post-match comments on the box about the Clare players - watching him I definitely got the impression he was being very careful about what he was saying with an eye to heading into the Clare dressing-room again before too long.

Clareman · 09-06-2019 08:53PM

I've said it before, I'll say it again, it's about time we broke the link to the team of the 90s, Davy and Dalo have both have had their shot at being manager, surely there's other options from outside the county who can get whatever can be gotten out of this team.

munsterlegend · 09-06-2019 08:55PM

I don’t know what Daly could do with them. Let’s face it Clare won a lucky all Ireland against a very average cork team and people were expecting them to dominate. It’s 6 years and a lot of their players have not produced. Defence has always been a problem with poor tackling technique and free after free given away. Tony Kelly best days seem to be behind him and o donnell might be a goal getter but can’t hit a point.

It’s unlikely they will get the results they need next week but stranger things have happened.

False Prophet · 09-06-2019 09:14PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don’t know what Daly could do with them.

Daly was only beginning his management career when he last had the Clare job.
With far worse hurlers he got far better performances and had us competitive in 2 all Ireland semi finals.
Knows the players, knows Clare and has the experience

tototoe · 09-06-2019 09:18PM

False Prophet wrote: »

Daly was only beginning his management career when he last had the Clare job.
With far worse hurlers he got far better performances and had us competitive in 2 all Ireland semi finals.
Knows the players, knows Clare and has the experience

When was the last time he was in management?

Clareman · 09-06-2019 09:26PM

tototoe wrote: »

When was the last time he was in management?

Inter-county level, he was last involved with Dublin in 2014, he's currently managing Kilmacud Crokes. He had a gig with Limerick for underage development for a few years as well

caddy16 · 09-06-2019 09:54PM

letowski wrote: »

Management made the downright crazy, lunatic call of playing Podge and Kelly on the same half forward line. They neither are able to win ball or carry it through contact and we were blown out of it as a result. Maddening, just inexcusable as we had the same issue last year when we played Reidy there. Didnt change it then until Ryan came on around 50 minutes. They havent learned anything. Unacceptable.

Couldn't agree more, I genuinely couldn't believe my eyes when I saw both line up in the half forward line. Talk about handing the initiative to Limerick, it has to be one of the worst decisions I've seen from any management team.

BloodyBill · 09-06-2019 10:18PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don’t know what Daly could do with them. Let’s face it Clare won a lucky all Ireland against a very average cork team and people were expecting them to dominate. It’s 6 years and a lot of their players have not produced. Defence has always been a problem with poor tackling technique and free after free given away. Tony Kelly best days seem to be behind him and o donnell might be a goal getter but can’t hit a point.

It’s unlikely they will get the results they need next week but stranger things have happened.

Theres no lucky All Ireland wins theres just wins so I dont accept that assertion at all. Would you say it about Cork or Kilkenny..?
I agree about Kelly and Shane O Donnell.. How Kelly is never hauled off is a disgrace. He goes around pointing and shouting at his teammates but where is he for the dirty ball. Hes a fine fair weather hurler and little more.
The two managers are a joke. They bring their relentless business gobbledey gook rubbish and then freeze during the game. Looking at them on the sideline with their slightly shocked gormless expressions is like looking up and seeing your Dad staring at you while you kiss your missus on the sofa in your parents house.

Dickie9 · 09-06-2019 10:22PM

Hopefully the management will be ruthless like the waterford managment drop the big names.....
Start andrew fahy,ian galvin ,niall deasy,ryan taylor,paul flanagan,

munsterlegend · 09-06-2019 10:36PM

BloodyBill wrote: »

Theres no lucky All Ireland wins theres just wins so I dont accept that assertion at all. Would you say it about Cork or Kilkenny..?
I agree about Kelly and Shane O Donnell.. How Kelly is never hauled off is a disgrace. He goes around pointing and shouting at his teammates but where is he for the dirty ball. Hes a fine fair weather hurler and little more.
The two managers are a joke. They bring their relentless business gobbledey gook rubbish and then freeze during the game. Looking at them on the sideline with their slightly shocked gormless expressions is like looking up and seeing your Dad staring at you while you kiss your missus on the sofa in your parents house.

The point I am making is that some people read too much into that 2013 victory and expected more from Clare given their underage success. There was always defensive weaknesses which were exploited year after year. They give away frees very softly and were always trying to compensate for the problems in the backline.

Seadin · 09-06-2019 11:22PM

grimbergen wrote: »

Lads, Clare are down but far from out. Every chance Limk will beat Tipp and this Cork team can never be relied upon in the heat of battle.

They do have a good record of beating Clare in Munster though. Dont think Clare have beaten Cork since 1998 in Munster championship.

Hio · 10-06-2019 12:01AM

Hi all, I strongly believe that Davy got the best out of this average Clare team in 2013 and what made the 2013 final a success was that both Cork and Clare were novelty teams with very poor backlines pitted against each other in the final which made the scoring spectacular but in truth they were both once off all ireland finalists and neither have won any all ireland since! I believe Davy was wronged and hounded out in 2016 and many deluded people reckoned that the golden boys of the current management were the real deal. Well they have failed miserably at senior level and should be dismissed before next week's game against cork before another home hiding comes Clares way! The two hammerings from Tipperary in Ennis and against Limerick todsy is akin if not worse than the 1993 munster final hammering from Tipperary given Tipperary hammered Clare in Ennis!! This Clare team didnt want to keep Liam Mc Carthy in Clare nor are able to and havent done so since 2013! They won an all ireland but yet since cant win a munster title nor do they want a munster title or good enough to. All talk but no heart or substance to this mediocre team but deluded that think bettér than really are. Not a real team.

Hio · 10-06-2019 12:18AM

Davy got a league and all ireland out of this team. Gerry and Donal in 3 years has obtained any championship or national league silverware! There was and still is a certain core of clare people who begrudged Clares success under Davy because they wanted Davy out and turned on Davy very fast when further success didnt come (ironically the year Davy left he managed Clare to the league title). The duo in charge of Clare since are clueless at senior level and got too much respect for the u21 titles they managed Clare to! They should have resigned after 2 years. I hope Davy is asked to do the job and refuses to express interest because if I was Davy id leave them suffer now without success for another 5 years or so! Very annoyed Clare person but thats how I feel. The Clare team of today and especially the management have been so insulting to the Clare and Limerick followers to not show up at limerick at 4pm today to play competitive hurling. It was very rude after not turning up in Ennis last Sunday to play competitively either. If I got a free ticket id hardly go next sunday! There was more heart in the clare football team poor and all as was to Kerry they showed heart and tried.

BloodyBill · 10-06-2019 12:48AM

Hio wrote: »

Davy got a league and all ireland out of this team. Gerry and Donal in 3 years has obtained any championship or national league silverware! There was and still is a certain core of clare people who begrudged Clares success under Davy because they wanted Davy out and turned on Davy very fast when further success didnt come (ironically the year Davy left he managed Clare to the league title). The duo in charge of Clare since are clueless at senior level and got too much respect for the u21 titles they managed Clare to! They should have resigned after 2 years. I hope Davy is asked to do the job and refuses to express interest because if I was Davy id leave them suffer now without success for another 5 years or so! Very annoyed Clare person but thats how I feel. The Clare team of today and especially the management have been so insulting to the Clare and Limerick followers to not show up at limerick at 4pm today to play competitive hurling. It was very rude after not turning up in Ennis last Sunday to play competitively either. If I got a free ticket id hardly go next sunday! There was more heart in the clare football team poor and all as was to Kerry they showed heart and tried.

Hi Davy. How do you think your team will do against Kilkenny next week?
I jest,I jest.
That Clare team need a change in management but by God they do not need Davy Fitzgerald back. They wont play for him anyway so that's that. I'd give Brian Lohan and Daly a go and maybe the Sparrow.
The one thing you have to do against Limerick is show up physically. Clare didn't.. Weve too many boys that never grew up...Podge,Kelly,Galvin and O Donnell..plenty of heart in them but are they really heavy duty hurlers. They are under 21s with different birth certs.

windy shepard henderson · 10-06-2019 12:56AM

Hio wrote: »

Hi all, I strongly believe that Davy got the best out of this average Clare team in 2013 and what made the 2013 final a success was that both Cork and Clare were novelty teams with very poor backlines pitted against each other in the final which made the scoring spectacular but in truth they were both once off all ireland finalists and neither have won any all ireland since! I believe Davy was wronged and hounded out in 2016 and many deluded people reckoned that the golden boys of the current management were the real deal. Well they have failed miserably at senior level and should be dismissed before next week's game against cork before another home hiding comes Clares way! The two hammerings from Tipperary in Ennis and against Limerick todsy is akin if not worse than the 1993 munster final hammering from Tipperary given Tipperary hammered Clare in Ennis!! This Clare team didnt want to keep Liam Mc Carthy in Clare nor are able to and havent done so since 2013! They won an all ireland but yet since cant win a munster title nor do they want a munster title or good enough to. All talk but no heart or substance to this mediocre team but deluded that think bettér than really are. Not a real team.

while everyone talks about davey winning an all ireland in 2013 no one seems to talk about 2014 or 2015 where we left the championship in a whimper in 2016 we won the league ....knocked out in the first round in munster for the 3rd year in a row and hammered by galway in the 1/4 final

he also lost key backroom staff due to his negligence , paul kinnerk is widely regarded as the best S/C coach in the country and very much the reason why limerick were at such a higher level of intensity today

why did kinnerk leave in 2014 , simple fitz wanted to flog a good young team to death with over training , something kinnerk wanted nothing to do with and left , he stayed on with the u21 team and won another u21 all ireland with them before taking some time out before joining up with limerick

the end result of 2014 , 2015 and 2016 was two players retired under the age of 25 mainly down to bad training methods , several players picked up the same hip injuries due to again bad methods of training

a few players left the panel over him and went to play with the footballers , fitz wasnt long running to the media to screw them over either

last year showed just how good this team can be this year is a mere once off to be fair and yes not helped by a few bad calls on the line

but while no one will forget what fitz done in 2013 , it should never be forgotten how bad he let things get in 2014 ,15 and 16 and all that went on behind the scenes was a total disgrace

Pandiani · 10-06-2019 01:10AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

paul kinnerk is widely regarded as the best S/C coach in the country

Kinnerk is a hurling coach and a tactician. Joe O'Connor was the s/c coach.

windy shepard henderson · 10-06-2019 01:14AM

Pandiani wrote: »

Kinnerk is a hurling coach and a tactician. Joe O'Connor was the s/c coach.

he was trainer for the hurlers under fitz ,taught he is S/C coach with limerick now , he was S/C coach with the 21s with clare also i taught

Pandiani · 10-06-2019 01:18AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

he was trainer for the hurlers under fitz ,taught he is S/C coach with limerick now , he was S/C coach with the 21s with clare also i taught

Joe O'Connor was S/C under Fitz with Clare and is also S/C of Limerick for the past few years.

windy shepard henderson · 10-06-2019 01:22AM

Pandiani wrote: »

Joe O'Connor was S/C under Fitz with Clare and is also S/C of Limerick for the past few years.

fair enough worded it wrong but there is no doubting his loss to clare in 2014 fitz never replaced him and should never allowed a guy like that to leave

Pandiani · 10-06-2019 01:25AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

fair enough worded it wrong but there is no doubting his loss to clare in 2014 fitz never replaced him and should never allowed a guy like that to leave

Did he not bring Kinnerk back in 2016?

windy shepard henderson · 10-06-2019 01:31AM

Pandiani wrote: »

Did he not bring Kinnerk back in 2016?

he did in a restricted role , should never have been let leave in the first place as i said before , ridiculous decision

slegs · 10-06-2019 08:07AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

he did in a restricted role , should never have been let leave in the first place as i said before , ridiculous decision

Kinnerk is from Limerick as is Joe O’Connor. Both were always going to end up in a Limerick setup when the conditions were right and we had the right raw material. It was never a question of letting them leave

Sterling Archer · 10-06-2019 09:32AM

Footballers Face Leitrim Away on the 22nd

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Keano · 10-06-2019 09:41AM

slegs wrote: »

Kinnerk is from Limerick as is Joe O’Connor. Both were always going to end up in a Limerick setup when the conditions were right and we had the right raw material. It was never a question of letting them leave

Nonsense. Kinnerk would have stayed had Fitz walked away when the pressure was on but Fitz being Fitz stayed one more year so Kinnerk was out. Well known Fitz was never happy with the credit Kinnerk got for pretty much winning the All Ireland. Do you really think John Kiely would have brought Limerick to where they are now? No chance.

Clareman · 10-06-2019 10:19AM

Davy had 5 years and he brought through a bunch of under 21 players and won an All Ireland and a National League, at the end of his tenure everyone was annoyed with the money that was being spent and all the negativity so his time was up. The 2 lads came in with great credentials and in their 3 years they have gotten to 2 Munster Finals and 1 All Ireland Semi Final replay but it's clear now that they don't have what's required to make the step up.

Now, I've said it loads of times, and I'll say it loads more, I think the best thing for Clare hurling would be an outside voice, not someone connected to the team of the 90s but I don't think Pat Fitz will allow that to ever happen again, it's been 25 years since we have a non-Clare hurling manager so I think Daly has to get a shot at it.

I think Daly would be a good fit for these players, it's clear they have the hurling they just don't have the leadership or the willingness to change, the 1 thing about Daly's first stint in charge was his ability to adapt, I remember when he played Alan Markham as a sweeper against Kilkenny and got Gilly to be a target man, KK didn't know what to do.

windy shepard henderson · 10-06-2019 10:30AM

Keano wrote: »

Nonsense. Kinnerk would have stayed had Fitz walked away when the pressure was on but Fitz being Fitz stayed one more year so Kinnerk was out. Well known Fitz was never happy with the credit Kinnerk got for pretty much winning the All Ireland. Do you really think John Kiely would have brought Limerick to where they are now? No chance.

I was probably trying to say something like this yesterday but made a balls of it, good post

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