Doonbeg Begorragh!

Tell me how · 06-06-2019 11:45PM

Pissartist wrote: »

Doonbeg was going out of business when the Donald took over, he increased the size of the hotel and hired lots more staff, all the food etc is bought locally, he has made some really good changes to the course, and was also going to fund building a wall to protect the course and the
Locals farms from the sea.He has made a big difference there for the good, like him or not.

This wall is to protect his golfcourse and will negatively impact on Doughmore beach.

During the most recent round of reviews, it became quickly obvious that what was proposed will result in the acceleration of erosion in parts of the beach not protected following the introduction of the proposed fixed elements.

Tell me how · 06-06-2019 11:47PM

Nobelium wrote: »

I'm neither left right or any other identity politics rubbish, I take each item on its own merits. have you ever tried it ?

If you consider identify politics rubbish, maybe it would be an idea to not use terms such as beloved lefties. It belies your obvious intellect.

Pissartist · 06-06-2019 11:47PM

Tell me how wrote: »

This wall is to protect his golfcourse and will negatively impact on Doughmore beach.

And the local farms, it will have no effect on the beach, the locals wanted the wall

Tell me how · 06-06-2019 11:47PM

Pissartist wrote: »

And the local farms, it will have no effect on the beach, the locals wanted the wall

Any evidence of either of these points?

Pissartist · 06-06-2019 11:49PM

Have you proof to the contrary?

Calhoun · 06-06-2019 11:51PM

The usual Irish reaction to this and then we wonder why we have the Healy Rae's, Lowry, or McElvaney.

FixdePitchmark · 06-06-2019 11:52PM

Anteayer wrote: »

Anti-rural?! Money is absolutely lashed into rural Ireland. Motorways to very small cities, places that most other countries would consider too small to connect by motorway, Western Rail Corridor that hardly anyone uses, billions about to be spent connecting every rural house to fibre-to-home, a farming lobby that's probably the most powerful political influencer in the country... the list goes on and on.

If you look at somewhere like say NZ, you'd have Dublin and Cork with Limerick and Galway and Waterford being bigger and the rest of the population would be tiny and concentrated into those. The idea of sustaining vast amounts of rural scatter just wouldn't be crossing people's minds.

This is spot on.

As for the farmers . Has there ever been a more supported industry.

A rural party is in power. FG. Admittedly run by an out if touch Dub.

mickdw · 06-06-2019 11:54PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Pissartist wrote: »

And the local farms, it will have no effect on the beach, the locals wanted the wall

Any evidence of either of these points?

By all accounts, Trumps wall at doonbeg was similar in its intention and design to other walls funded by councils to hold back coastal erosion.
They should be biting his hand off when he is willing to pay for it. It's easy enough for the state to control the design and extent of any such wall through planning process.

Nobelium · 06-06-2019 11:57PM

Anteayer wrote: »

Anti-rural?! Money is absolutely lashed into rural Ireland. Motorways to very small cities, places that most other countries would consider too small to connect by motorway, Western Rail Corridor that hardly anyone uses, billions about to be spent connecting every rural house to fibre-to-home, a farming lobby that's probably the most powerful political influencer in the country... the list goes on and on.

If you look at somewhere like say NZ, you'd have Dublin and Cork with Limerick and Galway and Waterford being bigger and the rest of the population would be tiny and concentrated into those. The idea of sustaining vast amounts of rural scatter just wouldn't be crossing people's minds.

would this be the so called motorway network that serves travel to and from Dublin, but not the rest of Ireland ? The Western rail corridor that serves a tiny part of the west, but the rest of western Ireland does without ? Where the dublin governments ripped out the rail lines that even the British supplied to "rural" Ireland ? Braodband the government has been promising since 2011 but hasn't laid a cable yet ? and has now signed up to the most expensive dodgy cronie contract they could find with a single foreign billionaire, and Ireland won't own a single cable afterwards ? Would this be the farming industry that supplies Dublin with its food every day and accounts for a large amount of Ireland's real exports ? So called "rural" Ireland isn't the outback, miles from anywhere, this isn't NZ.

BorneTobyWilde · 06-06-2019 11:59PM

Chips, Sirloin Steak, a low key dinner tonight

YFlyer · 07-06-2019 12:16AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The leftist media has done a great job of brainwashing so many. You look at RTE, or CNN so on, their whole agenda is anti Trump and enough of the simply people will lap it up and believe it.

''Trump is a racist''

He actually has a lot of support from African Americans. Trump’s approval rating among blacks sits at 12 percent, four percentage points higher than the eight percent of black Americans who voted for Trump in 2016. He put a lot of black Americans back to work, something they'll remember in 2020. He signed an executive order establishing an Opportunity and Revitalization Council with the aim of creating economic opportunity zones in distressed communities, most of which are populated by African Americans.

''Trump hates the environment''
But it's actually Europe that produces more CO2 emissions than the US does. Ireland forever fails to meets it's targets, and they couldn't give a feck either. Trump hasn't set out to declare war on the environment, he just got rid of a lot of the red tape stopping businesses from breaking ground on new projects.

''Trump hates women''
He signed two executive orders aimed at supporting women in STEM fields, ''he said empowering and promoting women in business is an absolute priority for this administration because I know how crucial women are as job creators, role models, and leaders all throughout our communities.''

The leftist media are brainwashing millions, and creating sticks to beat Trump with. It's pretty incredible how far the US has come under Trump. Yea he's a straight shooter and takes no prisoners, but he's no fool. But the media jump on every slip of the tongue, like yesterday.
'' i know you have issues with your wall,,, ehhh border '' he meant border, but media runs story that Trump thinks we have a wall between north and south. This is the brainwashing that is going on constantly against him. No US President has had to put up with such constant negative media.

CO2 reduction came from the Obama period.

AngryHippie · 07-06-2019 12:26AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

As for the farmers . Has there ever been a more supported industry.

They are the cornerstone of modern society.
Forget it at your peril.

Not keen to quote Lenin, but he knew a thing or two about chaos, anarchy and revolution:

Every society is three meals away from chaos

Outlaw Pete · 07-06-2019 12:26AM

Looks like all those bleating about the imposed tariffs all month might soon be eating their words:

https://twitter.com/RWhelanWSJ/status/1136722490452008963

Although I think he could cancer and the left would still never admit a decision he made was a good one.

mcmoustache · 07-06-2019 12:28AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Chips, Sirloin Steak, a low key dinner tonight

Well done with ketchup?

gormdubhgorm · 07-06-2019 12:29AM

Tommy Kelly wrote: »

Look at all the lazy, good for nothing unemployed, have nothing to else to do losers. Who's paying them to be there?

You said that wrong.

It's stone cold loooooosers......

Fake News.

mcmoustache · 07-06-2019 12:36AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Looks like all those bleating about the imposed tariffs all month might soon be eating their words:

The bleating hearts don't have much to say on tariffs. Most of the pushback was from freemarket conservatives.

I'm not sure where you get your information from or your ability to interpret it but both seem a bit faulty.

While you're here, did he say "I didn't know she was nasty" or "I didn't know she was nasty to me"?

I only ask because you made a lot of posts about it telling us that he meant the latter but Trump's words disagreed with your interpretation. Given that he has the best words, I'm not sure you should be putting words in his mouth. And you wouldn't be if he said the latter.

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 12:39AM

Nobelium wrote: »

would this be the so called motorway network that serves travel to and from Dublin, but not the rest of Ireland ? The Western rail corridor that serves a tiny part of the west, but the rest of western Ireland does without ? Where the dublin governments ripped out the rail lines that even the British supplied to "rural" Ireland ? Braodband the government has been promising since 2011 but hasn't laid a cable yet ? and has now signed up to the most expensive dodgy cronie contract they could find with a single foreign billionaire, and Ireland won't own a single cable afterwards ? Would this be the farming industry that supplies Dublin with its food every day and accounts for a large amount of Ireland's real exports ? So called "rural" Ireland isn't the outback, miles from anywhere, this isn't NZ.

NZ doesn't exactly have an outback either, I think you might be confusing it with Australia. It's pretty much Ireland sized and an Irish population mirror.

What I'm point out is that Ireland's policies tend to be extremely pro rural by comparison to most countries. It's also a parliamentary democracy where seats are based on a ratio of population.

There are 158 TDs, 44 of whom are in Dublin, with is 27.8% of the Dáil and
Dublin has a population of 1.345 million which is 28.1% of the population of the state. So, it's most definitely not over represented in the Dail and you'll find Cork and other urban areas are similarly proportionally represented.

But the reality is 72.2% of Ireland's TDs are not Dublin-based and do not represent Dublin, so whatever policies are being voted for are not likely to be anti-rural.

Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford cities make up another chunk of the TDs, but the majority of the house is still very definitely rurally focused as a legislature.

Our urban areas are generally badly planned and have inadequate investment in things like public transit networks and our rural areas seem to have similar issues in different ways which would tend to equal a government that's making bad policy choices across the board, not necessarily hammering one in favour of the other.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 12:49AM

Anteayer wrote: »

NZ doesn't exactly have an outback either, I think you might be confusing it with Australia. It's pretty much Ireland sized and an Irish population mirror.

What I'm point out is that Ireland's policies tend to be extremely pro rural by comparison to most countries. It's also a parliamentary democracy where seats are based on a ratio of population.

There are 158 TDs, 44 of whom are in Dublin, with is 27.8% of the Dáil and
Dublin has a population of 1.345 million which is 28.1% of the population of the state. So, it's most definitely not over represented in the Dail and you'll find Cork and other urban areas are similarly proportionally represented.

But the reality is 72.2% of Ireland's TDs are not Dublin-based and do not represent Dublin, so whatever policies are being voted for are not likely to be anti-rural.

Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford cities make up another chunk of the TDs, but the majority of the house is still very definitely rurally focused as a legislature.

Yes that's correct 72 % of people don't live in Dublin, yet as the Dublin housing crisis shows, we have a very unhealthy centralised mono city culture and mindset, that is detrimental to both Dublin and Ireland.

Would these be the same made up " extremely pro rural " polices refuted earlier or have you any new ones ?

J Mysterio · 07-06-2019 01:05AM

knipex wrote: »

What ??

He bought the hotel from a US hedge fund. He spent a few quid doing it up but my knowledge there was no major renovation.

JP spent a reported 50 million renovating Adare in neighbouring Limerick

Dromoland (also in Clare) had 20 millions spent and a reported 70 million spent in Ashford...

And JP is not a prick. He has also sponsored the Cancer Centre in UL Hospital, gave money to each county GAA etc. i.e he spends money on the community in a way that doesnt directly benefit him, but is a great help to others.

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 01:11AM

Nobelium wrote: »

Yes that's correct 72 % of people don't live in Dublin, yet as the Dublin housing crisis shows, we have a very unhealthy centralised mono city culture and mindset, that is detrimental to both Dublin and Ireland.

Would these be the same made up " extremely pro rural " polices refuted earlier or have you any new ones ?

I'm sure I'll never be able to make a point on this so why bother arguing - whether you like it or not, spending €3bn on rural broadband for a few hundred thousand houses, whatever about the concerns being raised around the tender is absolutely a pro-rural policy and a gargantuan amount of money to commit to a project like that and it is driven by FG looking to maintain support in rural Ireland for TDs in rural Ireland.

Compared to most of Europe and most of the developed world, Ireland's got a lot of scatter development and utterly bizarre notions about living in the middle of no where, without any real reason to live there. We don't generally even do towns and villages, just loads of houses flung out in the countryside on what should be farms. We then moan about spending our lives doing ridiculous commutes and so on. It's expensive to service with all sorts of public and private services and as a result you end up with patchy services and isolated housing. It's made worse by lousy planning in the cities that's choking Dublin and under developing the rest of them.

There's no way of solving that cheaply and we're just never realistic about it.
The 3bn+ broadband scheme is a shocker but it's the kind of insane costs that are involved in serving 600,000 homes that are essentially off grid. It should be a bit of a reality check, but it won't be.

However, I will retreat to my Cork based urban bubble and accept that I will never, ever ever ever get anyone in Ireland to accept this point.

Ireland with 5 decent cities and a network of well serviced, well organised small towns and villages would be fantastic, instead we just keep hollowing the towns and villages out by flinging their populations to the rural hinterland.

Anyway, back the US' Dear Leader and his visit to Clare:

Outlaw Pete · 07-06-2019 01:19AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

While you're here, did he say "I didn't know she was nasty" or "I didn't know she was nasty to me"?

Christ, are you still on about that?

It's clear to everyone (that doesn't have TDS at least) that when he said 'I didn't know she was nasty' he was saying that he didn't know she had been nasty about him. We know this as he made the comment in direct reply to being told that she had said (on an American chat show) that she would move from the USA if he was elected ffs.

It doesn't say much for your comprehension if you (or anyone else for that matter) would claim that he was saying he didn't know Meghan was a nasty person rather that that he didn't know she was nasty about him (saying what she did). There's a distinct difference, but one that it seems you and the Trump hating mob don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around.

Here's the comment again and this time, please note what is being said to him just before he replies and also how he wishes her well health wise and how he thinks it's a good thing to have an American princess and how he's sure she'll be an excellent one, and all said in a friendly tone too:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1134809885957414917

And of that's not good enough, here's Trump clarifying that he wasn't saying he didn't know Meghan herself was nasty but (obviously) that he didn't know she was nasty ABOUT HIM...... and magnanimously adds, it's okay though if Meghan is nasty about him.

https://twitter.com/CineIreland/status/1136323136708915202

Plus I highly doubt the Royal family would have been so welcoming to him if they felt he called one of them nasty rather than say that something they had said was.

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 01:20AM

Context is key but the problem is he's a track record of being blatantly nasty to all sorts of people and being unable to stay away from Twitter for 10 mins.

LOADS of people were very nasty about Obama, Bush Jr, Bush Sr, both Clintons and pretty much everyone else that's in public office or hoping to b in the internet era and none of them respond by going on Twitter rampages.

I mean, I'm sure people say horrible things about the British PM, but can you imagine Theresa May laying into some comedian on Twitter from the No 10 account?

He has no filter.

Who said what about his is utterly irrelevant. If you're in an office like President you absolutely do not rise to any kind of comment no matter who said it or who you think said it.

It's normally about maintaining the upper hand of gravitas and dignity of the office and he doesn't do that. He's still very much exactly the same as he was when he was a TV celebrity and has never really moved on from that persona.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 01:22AM

Anteayer wrote: »

I'm sure I'll never be able to make a point on this so why bother arguing - whether you like it or not, spending €3bn on rural broadband for a few hundred thousand houses, whatever about the concerns being raised around the tender is absolutely a pro-rural policy and a gargantuan amount of money to commit to a project like that and it is driven by FG looking to maintain support in rural Ireland for TDs in rural Ireland.

Compared to most of Europe and most of the developed world, Ireland's got a lot of scatter development and utterly bizarre notions about living in the middle of no where, without any real reason to live there. We don't generally even do towns and villages, just loads of houses flung out in the countryside on what should be farms. We then moan about spending our lives doing ridiculous commutes and so on. It's expensive to service with all sorts of public and private services and as a result you end up with patchy services and isolated housing. It's made worse by lousy planning in the cities that's choking Dublin and under developing the rest of them.

There's no way of solving that cheaply and we're just never realistic about it.
The 3bn+ broadband scheme is a shocker but it's the kind of insane costs that are involved in serving 600,000 homes that are essentially off grid. It should be a bit of a reality check, but it won't be.

However, I will retreat to my Cork based urban bubble and accept that I will never, ever ever ever get anyone in Ireland to accept this point.

Ireland with 5 decent cities and a network of well serviced, well organised small towns and villages would be fantastic, instead we just keep hollowing the towns and villages out by flinging their populations to the rural hinterland.

Anyway, back the US' Dear Leader and his visit to Clare:

The "rural" broadband contract, first promised in 2011 is an utter shambles. Not a single house connected yet, not a single cable laid. The Dublin government, after years of doing noting, now suddenly goes for the worst most expensive noncompetitive cronie tender they could find, for a network we won't own any of afterwards, and you wan't to blame so called "rural" Ireland ? lol

The planning policy again is driven by out of touch biased Dublin civil servants, and you want to blame so called "rural" Ireland instead ?

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 01:27AM

Nobelium wrote: »

The rural broadband contract, first promised in 2011 is an utter shambles. Not a single house connected yet, not a single cable layed. The Dublin government went for the worst most expensive noncompetitive cronie tender they could find, for a network we won't own any of afterwards, and you wan't to blame so called "rural" Ireland ? lol

The planning policy again is driven by out of touch biased Dublin civil servants, and you want to blame rural Ireland instead ?

I didn't blame anyone and I'm not going to derail the thread any further by responding beyond saying that BOTH urban and rural planning and infrastructure here is a mess. We have managed to actually screw up urban areas and rural areas by failing to plan anything in a strategic way. Until you resolve that, nothing improves on those issues. There is no political will here to do anything about this and I doubt there ever will be either. So, it's a moot point.

Anyway, maybe a mod might move these posts over to the infrastructure thread?

Back to his Trumpiness!

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 01:28AM

When does he actually depart for the US again?

FixdePitchmark · 07-06-2019 01:58AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

And JP is not a prick. He has also sponsored the Cancer Centre in UL Hospital, gave money to each county GAA etc. i.e he spends money on the community in a way that doesnt directly benefit him, but is a great help to others.

Could he not just pay tax like a normal person.

No place in Ireland for this.

Anteayer · 07-06-2019 02:11AM

Well, the general way things seem to be headed is towards a situation where a small % are vastly wealthy, tax systems are dismantled to the point that large corporations and the super-rich pay little or no tax, but opt to donate their money to their pet philanthropic projects instead to make themselves feel better.

It's basically the exact same model that we had in the 19th century, were it was just accepted that a large % of developed countries populations lived in poverty, basically it would be a dismantling of a century of progress since the end of WWI and that tends to be the kinds of policies pushed by elements of the right wing of the GOP and increasingly of the Tories in the UK.

I'd suspect most of Europe won't go that far, but the US and possibly the UK could.

Outlaw Pete · 07-06-2019 03:16AM

They're going to have to declare Trump Derangement Syndrome an official psychiatric illness at this stage.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1136718311587287040

Kermit.de.frog · 07-06-2019 05:43AM

https://twitter.com/FrTedQOTD/status/1136358987845316608

Jackman25 · 07-06-2019 07:55AM

Tell me how wrote: »

A thread like this is a great idea.

Keeps certain posters entertained until Peter Casey goes again.

The reek of smug superiority off this post.

Doonbeg Begorragh!

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