England fans riot in Portugual, sing "F the Pope and the IRA"

major bill · 06-06-2019 06:57PM

.Charlo wrote: »

major bill wrote: »

Its actually the casual subculture they follow, no different to the Italians, Dutch, Germans etc

Most of these lads couldnt give two ****s about the international scene either,

I'm well aware of the casual culture, that doesn't mean you have to sing your songs with an English accent which is exactly what was happening last time I was in Dalymount. It's only a a small minority most supporters are grand and dont buy into any of that nonsense.

Been going dalymount 20 years and have yet to hear songs been sung in English accents but whatever backs up your post!!

.Charlo · 06-06-2019 07:04PM

major bill wrote: »

Been going dalymount 20 years and have yet to hear songs been sung in English accents but whatever backs up your post!!

Move closer to the gimps in the corner of the Jodi, I can tell you now it happens and it was a running joke among other LOI clubs especially the country teams used to abuse the bohs lads over it.

average hero · 06-06-2019 07:16PM

Things being stirred up a la the 80s and early 90s again. These lads don't know what the IRA were so the fact that they are chanting about them is quite odd really.

What is startling however is the amount of people in this thread making excuses for the songs under the pretext of 'the Pope is this and the IRA are that'. It isn't an intellectual discussion about the rights or wrongs of those two entities, it is bigotry and sectarianism. More specifically, it is trying to lord it over another group of people when they are tanked up on booze. Disgusting behaviour. (Note they haven't chanted about the Russians interestingly enough). If they did that against other groups it wouldn't be acceptable either.

In theory - if you are in principle against bigotry or sectarianism, you should condemn this behaviour.
In practice - they would likely target you for being Irish, Catholicism or Northern politics aside. (they aren't discerning between any Irish).

Stop defending them - they are scumbags ruining a city for the time they are in it.

Defending the scumbags chanting these songs also harms the good England fans (of which there are many) who don't taint themselves with sectarianism and bigotry.

thebaz · 06-06-2019 07:30PM

thought the english hooligans had all gone to ground, after a few Russians ran them out of Marsellles in '16- they wernt so brave then , but that is the way with any gang of bullies/cowards

OneEyedORourke · 06-06-2019 07:35PM

Before everyone starts bad mouthing LOI/football fans with the usual 'it's all scumbags' etc. I'll direct you to the articles below.

GAA brawl

Rugby brawl

El_Duderino 09 · 06-06-2019 07:46PM

Chatting to an English mate about this today. Asked him how they had the fans away for the euro finals with out any big trouble but the England team fans are straight away at it again.

He said the england fans are basically a different set of people from those who travel abroad for club matches. If you follow a premiership team like Liverpool, they will have a number of away matches in Europe each year. A normal fan will be able to go to a couple of foreign matches a year (money, time, family commitments) and they would definitely choose to go to Liverpool matches over England games.

So it's lower league supporters who are travelling to England games and they only follow England as a second team so they're only there for the piss up in the sun and because they don't care about the football team, they end up being belligerent and causing trouble.

Harry Palmr · 06-06-2019 07:49PM

Sure you only need to see the flag and banners - nothing or almost nothing that references the Europe level clubs plenty of Leyton Orient/Millwall level stuff.

Blinky Plebum · 06-06-2019 07:50PM

OneEyedORourke wrote: »

Before everyone starts bad mouthing LOI/football fans with the usual 'it's all scumbags' etc. I'll direct you to the articles below.

GAA brawl

Rugby brawl

Oh well in that case it makes it OK for football fans to act like ***** then, all if forgiven now. I withdraw the criticism of the England fans causing trouble that I posted earlier in this thread.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:09PM

Ban the English national team for 10 years

Close down the prem indefinitely

Build up the serie A and bundesliga and of course the Irish league.

Problem solved.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-06-2019 08:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ban the national team for 10 years

Close down the prem indefinitely

Build up the serie A and bundesliga

Problem solved.

Idiotic ideas to say the least :rolleyes:

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:15PM

Actually after Brexit that should be the end of them in European comps anyway

Let them play Australia and the West Indies ffs

And let fifa ban Australia and West Indies for playing them. Make them a total pariah.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:15PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Idiotic ideas to say the least :rolleyes:

Not at all. What don’t you understand?

It would solve the English hooligan problem overnight. We don’t want these scum

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-06-2019 08:22PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not at all. What don’t you understand?

It would solve the English hooligan problem overnight. We don’t want these scum

How do you "close the premiership indefinitely"?

Please just explain that one idiotic idea.

trashcan · 06-06-2019 08:23PM

Wonder how those lads feel about Declan Rice playing tonight ? He's been partial to the odd Ra cheerleading himself in the past.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:24PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How do you "close the premiership indefinitely"?

Please just explain that one idiotic idea.

U do realise there are the following:

1-European football authority
2-global football authority

Do you even know basic facts about the administration of football?

Professor Moriarty · 06-06-2019 08:25PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How do you "close the premiership indefinitely"?

Please just explain that one idiotic idea.

It's obvious isn't it?

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-06-2019 08:26PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

U do realise there are the following:

1-European football authority
2-global football authority

Do you even know basic facts about administration of football?

I do, do you realise some of the biggest clubs in the world are in the premiership? What about all of the other divisions? Do you close those too?

Will you call for Russian, Polish, French premiership to be closed too?

You really haven't thought this idiotic idea through have you? :rolleyes:

Professor Moriarty · 06-06-2019 08:28PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I do, do you realise some of the biggest clubs in the world are in the premiership? What about all of the other divisions? Do you close those too?

Will you call for Russian, Polish, French premiership to be closed too?

You really haven't thought this idiotic idea through have you? :rolleyes:

You just fire all the players, managers and staff. Then you close all the grounds. Duh.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:28PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I do, do you realise some of the biggest clubs in the world are in the premiership? What about all of the other divisions? Do you close those too?

Will you call for Russian, Polish, French premiership to be closed too?

You really haven't thought this idiotic idea through have you? :rolleyes:

I’ve just said close down the English prem indefinitely. That would solve the problem along with banning the national team for 10 years.

If you don’t agree you are hopelessly naive, sorry but that’s being honest.

blinding · 06-06-2019 08:29PM

oLoonatic wrote: »

I don't see the problem here.

"F the Pope and the IRA"

Both have caused and/or covered up awful things over the last number of decades.

If you believe that FF /FG / Lab did not know a lot of what was going on in the Catholic church you are very naive . They had / have their fingers on the pulse of local communities . They’d know a lot less if it suited them but it suited them more to “ know nothing "

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 06-06-2019 08:32PM

Eliana Tinkling Crab wrote: »

Yeah that's totally what I said. Don't be silly.

Only you brought self respect into it.

My point is: why take "**** the IRA" as a slight on us normal non violent Irish people? The IRA have nothing to do with me.

Of course all football hooligans are scum though, and will hopefully be arrested and more.

I don’t think the people shouting “Fück the IRA” are making that distinction.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-06-2019 08:36PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’ve just said close down the English prem indefinitely. That would solve the problem along with banning the national team for 10 years.

If you don’t agree you are hopelessly naive, sorry but that’s being honest.

The prem is one league, what about the other leagues? What about the teams in the EFL? You only want to ban the top flight teams but leave the lower league teams playing?

Harry Palmr · 06-06-2019 08:37PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

U do realise there are the following:

1-European football authority
2-global football authority

Do you even know basic facts about the administration of football?

You clearly haven't a bogs notion.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:38PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The prem is one league, what about the other leagues? What about the teams in the EFL? You only want to ban the top flight teams but leave the lower league teams playing?

To get rid of the British hooligans out of Europe the best thing is to wind down/end the prem. No more euro jaunts abroad.

Ten years in the wilderness will be of benefit as it will give the British police/security much needed breathing space to get a handle on these hooligans and serve travel bans on them.

In fairness maybe after 5 years they will be able to present a credible case to uefa/fifa that they have the situation under control

Remains to be seen

blinding · 06-06-2019 08:39PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoebQifnBys

decent through ball from john sheridan followed by the best days work those guards ever did at 1min10sec

I notice that when Police beat the sh!te out of them are pretty harmless .

I don’t understand why riot police don’t do this sooner and more often .

Its very effective .

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-06-2019 08:40PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

To get rid of the British hooligans out of Europe the best thing is to wind down/end the prem. No more euro jaunts abroad.

Ten years in the wilderness will be of benefit as it will give the British police/security much needed breathing space to get a handle on these hooligans and serve travel bans on them.

In fairness maybe after 5 years they will be able to present a credible case to uefa/fifa that they have the situation under control

Remains to be seen

Ah stop kid your talking shìte and obviously have no clue.

England winning 1-0

Hope that doesnt upset you too much

dan1895 · 06-06-2019 08:41PM

Two Premier League teams played last weekend with 100,000 or so of their fans travelling to Madrid and there was no trouble. Why should they be banned for the actions of the national teams fans?

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:41PM

blinding wrote: »

I notice that when Police beat the sh!te out of them are pretty harmless .

I don’t understand why riot police don’t do this sooner and more often .

Its very effective .

The ironic thing is most of those proudly waving the butchers apron are fascists/nazis of one shade or another !!

.Charlo · 06-06-2019 08:41PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I don’t think the people shouting “Fück the IRA” are making that distinction.

You dont know what they are thinking when they say it, when I think of the UVF I dont think of British people I think of fellas in balaclavas with guns.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2019 08:42PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah stop kid your talking shìte and obviously have no clue.

England winning 1-0

Hope that doesnt upset you too much

Off with ye kid. Not interested.

England fans riot in Portugual, sing "F the Pope and the IRA"

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