Is a Fianna Fail - Sinn Fein coalition inevitable?

Squatter · 27-05-2019 10:19AM

mattser wrote: »

Shinners got their holes well and truly kicked.

Tiocfaidh ar la. Up the rebels. England get out of Ireland.

:D:D Keep it up lads. Ye're playing a blinder.

I share your delight.

However, in fairness and just for the record, it appears that significantly more Irish people voted for Mary Lou's Donkey Militia than voted for Eamon Ryan's Bicycling Corps!

But I'd strongly urge Mary-Lou not to resign - she's doing a REALLY great job, almost as good a job as her Westminster MPs and MLAs are!

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 11:39AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Is that the same David Mcwilliams who dreamed up the bank guarantee when Brian Lenihan called to his kitchen?

Is he trying to top that success?

Bank guarantee was happening in every scenario. There was no other possibility or way round it.

Squatter · 27-05-2019 11:50AM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Bank guarantee was happening in every scenario. There was no other possibility or way round it.

And now just sit back and wait until someone slithers aboard to mention how Iceland addressed its banking crisis in 2008!

blanch152 · 27-05-2019 12:13PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Bank guarantee was happening in every scenario. There was no other possibility or way round it.

It was the wrong decision. End of.

Bank guarantee for all except Anglo was the right call, but Lenihan convinced by McWilliams that everyone in would save the day.

Wouldn't give McWilliams the time of day on economic issues after that.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 12:39PM

That’s a flimsy position to take in your no UI crusade

James Brown · 27-05-2019 01:57PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I can’t wrap my head around the fact that SF getting absolutely battered this weekend yet people wanting a United Ireland is at an all time record high.
I know they don’t own the idea but just watch and see Leo turn hard to catch this headwind. As he always does. But FF won’t hesistate to go into coalition with SF. And it will be to SFs detrement if they do.
This is a really good piece by McWilliams

https://twitter.com/davidmcw/status/1132207766477725701?s=20

Yes it is because Sinn Fein don't own the idea. Enda Kenny wants it too. In fact it's likely we'll hear the chancer parties, (FF/FG) pipe up on it a little.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 03:15PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yes it is because Sinn Fein don't own the idea. Enda Kenny wants it too. In fact it's likely we'll hear the chancer parties, (FF/FG) pipe up on it a little.

Absolutely agree. I wonder will it be a topic in the next general election. They’ll have to take positions on it

James Brown · 27-05-2019 03:17PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Absolutely agree. I wonder will it be a topic in the next general election. They’ll have to take positions on it

I can see FF/FG saying, 'we always supported a UI', but doubt they'll really push it unless there's a referendum on a UI close to an election. We'll certainly hear it mentioned from time to time.
Solid support from the under 35's for the 'dying' Irish language. Really puts the support only lying with republican/SF nonsense to bed.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 03:54PM

It would be interesting if we saw FG/FF try to own it and deplatform SF of their main agenda.

James Brown · 27-05-2019 04:17PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It would be interesting if we saw FG/FF try to own it and deplatform SF of their main agenda.

That's what they do. The Greens won't be long in the sun.

We've SF as the UI party, the Greens on environment and funnily enough we've FG on steady financials

with FF the party who know a fella who knows a fella *wink*. These are the perceptions as far as I can see.

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 04:28PM

No doubt about it Leo turns into whatever wind is blowing and for the most part that’s been to the betterment of the country so far. But a lot of times as with his ‘message received’ about the Greens landslide, it’s just so transparent that’s hes co opting ideas and agendas. With the hopes that they’ll be seen as progressive and we won’t notice the housing disaster, NCH debacle and NBP screwup.

James Brown · 27-05-2019 05:33PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

No doubt about it Leo turns into whatever wind is blowing and for the most part that’s been to the betterment of the country so far. But a lot of times as with his ‘message received’ about the Greens landslide, it’s just so transparent that’s hes co opting ideas and agendas. With the hopes that they’ll be seen as progressive and we won’t notice the housing disaster, NCH debacle and NBP screwup.

I disagree. He's good at diversion. Can you show how Varadkar has aided the country? Apart from more of the same I don't think he himself has added anything positive or negative, happy to be a caretaker in the most part.
I'm surprised the greens did so well but I can't see it making much of a difference in a general election. Both the Greens and Sinn Fein would do well to push issues like housing and build on attacking wasteful deals involving tax payer monies.

27-05-2019 05:44PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Both the Greens and Sinn Fein would do well to push issues like housing and build on attacking wasteful deals involving tax payer monies.

SF has been doing that constantly. Eoin O'Broin is never off my telly telling me about homelessness.

Looking at the results how has that worked out as a strategy so far?

James Brown · 27-05-2019 05:53PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

SF has been doing that constantly. Eoin O'Broin is never off my telly telling me about homelessness.

Looking at the results how has that worked out as a strategy so far?

Well that's all he can do fair play. It's not like it isn't a problem. Be odd to have them condemned for not being good in opposition and complain they complain about national crises too much.
I don't know. Fianna Fail are the quiet winners here.

Dyr · 27-05-2019 05:56PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

SF has been doing that constantly. Eoin O'Broin is never off my telly telling me about homelessness.

Looking at the results how has that worked out as a strategy so far?

In fairness he wasn't always just banging on about work-shy shoplifters, Islamic fundamentalists got a fair bit of love from him too

Stop moaning ffs · 27-05-2019 06:22PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I disagree. He's good at diversion. Can you show how Varadkar has aided the country? Apart from more of the same I don't think he himself has added anything positive or negative, happy to be a caretaker in the most part.
I'm surprised the greens did so well but I can't see it making much of a difference in a general election. Both the Greens and Sinn Fein would do well to push issues like housing and build on attacking wasteful deals involving tax payer monies.

Well his very convenient and timely coming out, less than a month before marriage equality, and to be fair getting behind repeal are two examples where there was a good outcome.

27-05-2019 06:29PM

Bambi wrote: »

In fairness he wasn't always just banging on about work-shy shoplifters, Islamic fundamentalists got a fair bit of love from him too

I prefer his tweets from his Kerry holiday home, eating fresh oysters whilst writing about homelessness and the struggles of the working classes.

James Brown · 27-05-2019 06:52PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Well his very convenient and timely coming out, less than a month before marriage equality, and to be fair getting behind repeal are two examples where there was a good outcome.

Fair play to him for surfing the public wave.

FreudianSlippers · 28-05-2019 08:36AM

blanch152 wrote: »

It was the wrong decision. End of.

Bank guarantee for all except Anglo was the right call, but Lenihan convinced by McWilliams that everyone in would save the day.

Wouldn't give McWilliams the time of day on economic issues after that.

I'm not going to defend McWilliams, I think he's over-rated to a huge extent... but let's not revise history here. We know for a fact that Drumm was so personally invested in Anglo failing would have ruined him, so he made the bank look too-big-to-fail, and he's in jail now because of that.

In reality, if the Government had time to review the financial positions of all the banks, they would have let Anglo go; but it was a snap decision based on the facts that they were presented at the time.

ilkhanid · 29-05-2019 05:04PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Hard work pays.

To quote a (fairly) old film "My Old Man worked hard, and all they did was give him more work".

Bambi wrote: »

They were bamboozled by uber liberal carpet baggers who looked on SF as the handiest vehicle for their own agenda and careers. The self righteous crusades they were launching, Asylum Seekers, Traveller gangs, Islamic nutters, MLMcD snapping about men mansplaining to her. All box office poison not just to their voters but their own membership. I know SF guys who were fairly senior backroom types since the 80s who've now walked away, mostly over the Stalinist way the party was dealing with any dissenters.

That was always on the cards.Ever since the eighties Sinn Fein/IRA were associating themselves with the whole International Leftist/anti-Imperialist/"progressive"/anti-western movement. They gained support and credibility with forces that wouldn't have given the time of day to an-as they saw it-crude, old-fashoned nationalist insurrection. So they got into bed with Cuba, The Palestinians, FARC, ETA the whole shebang.

James Brown · 29-05-2019 05:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you want better pay, then get a better job. The reason there are low paying jobs is that there are plenty of people willing to accept the conditions.

Although ignorance may not be bliss, I'd guess it's very comfortable.
I'll quote this the next time folk from the squeezed middle are complaining how tough they have it for housing and too much money goes towards the sick and poor, (be they working or not).

Chiparus · 31-05-2019 09:28AM

Squatter wrote: »

I share your delight.

However, in fairness and just for the record, it appears that significantly more Irish people voted for Mary Lou's Donkey Militia than voted for Eamon Ryan's Bicycling Corps!

But I'd strongly urge Mary-Lou not to resign - she's doing a REALLY great job, almost as good a job as her Westminster MPs and MLAs are!

So do a lot of Shinners opponents

Is a Fianna Fail - Sinn Fein coalition inevitable?

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