Diageo giving 26 weeks paid paternity leave to fathers

Hoboo · 22-05-2019 07:52PM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is more perception that reality. I have come across woman who got promoted while on maternity leave.

No that's very much reality. And as more legislation covers men it will hit both genders.

I'm talking about sme's here, not large national/international companies.

22-05-2019 08:00PM

Hoboo wrote: »

No that's very much reality. And as more legislation covers men it will hit both genders.

I'm talking about sme's here, not large national/international companies.

So Sme's are going to stop employing men and women bewteen the ages of 25 and 45 hardley likely.

Hoboo · 22-05-2019 08:15PM

mariaalice wrote: »

So Sme's are going to stop employing men and women bewteen the ages of 25 and 45 hardley likely.

No one said stop. But when given a choice of two candidates, where possible, it plays and will continue to play a factor in the decision making process. Its never discussed, it's an unwritten rule. The 9 grounds go out the window.

Jet Black · 22-05-2019 08:15PM

So if you kept getting two women pregnant in rotation you'd never have to go to work..?

I just finished two weeks paternal leave and I don't think it's nearly enough. Couldn't leave the hospital for the first week, then only getting settled home and I'm back to work. It's exhausting at the start and with me back so soon it all falls on my partner to do everything. I know its changing but it should be two months minimum.

Larbre34 · 22-05-2019 08:18PM

Good example to the kids. Work hard at school and college, get good job with big well resourced company, get well paid and lots of family friendly benefits for when you have your babies.

Roger Hassenforder · 22-05-2019 08:25PM

In my day we were lucky to get 20mins down the local to "wet the babys head", before heading off back down the mines.

ToddyDoody · 22-05-2019 08:30PM

A week for every county?

gordongekko · 22-05-2019 08:34PM

5 weeks is probably plenty. Lads don't go out much during the week and there is only so much golf anyone can do before getting a bit bored

namloc1980 · 22-05-2019 08:34PM

2smiggy wrote: »

link here

Great for employees of Diageo, but don't know how any normal small or medium business's could do anything similar. Bit mad paying a fellow wages for half a year all because he managed to get someone pregnant

Nobody is expecting small or medium companies to do similar. And the 26 weeks isn't because he managed to get someone pregnant....otherwise it would be called Prenatal getting someone pregnant leave.

ToddyDoody · 22-05-2019 08:44PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nobody is expecting small or medium companies to do similar. And the 26 weeks isn't because he managed to get someone pregnant....otherwise it would be called Prenatal getting someone pregnant leave.

But you don't get leave for getting someone pregnant - that'd be called conception leave.

You get paternity leave 8 / 9 months later when a baby is born.

namloc1980 · 22-05-2019 08:48PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

But you don't get leave for getting someone pregnant - that'd be called conception leave.

You get paternity leave 8 / 9 months later when a baby is born.

Ok...

KSU · 27-05-2019 03:11PM

The Feminists won't be happy. Could undermine the myth.

All of a sudden they can return to work in order to be on a level playing field with men for promotions etc to balance the gender "wage gap" if they choose while the man stays at home and looks after the family.

bear1 · 27-05-2019 03:15PM

I think all companies should offer this to fathers.
We seem to be essentially forgotten about when it comes to our role in this.
We are just as important as the mother and deserve to be at home and help them both for as long as needed.
Now. Reduce the working week to 4 days and it's a utopia.

branie2 · 27-05-2019 03:17PM

Good news!

nozzferrahhtoo · 27-05-2019 03:31PM

Jet Black wrote: »

So if you kept getting two women pregnant in rotation you'd never have to go to work..?

Someone tell TaxAhCruel

Jet Black wrote: »

I just finished two weeks paternal leave and I don't think it's nearly enough.

We had both of our kids in Germany. It's great here. You get 14 months Parental Leave between you to take pretty much as you want. With the only stipulation being you can take a maximum of 12 months per person. So you can split it 12-2 10-4 7-7 or whatever way you want after that.

And you get, as I recall, 67% of your Salary for that time which is paid not by your company or the government, but your medical insurance I think.

If you decide not to go back to work after that straight away however.... you get no money but your company is obliged to keep your job, or a justifiably comparable and equivalent position, open for a further 2 years.

So there is at least one woman I know here who works for us, but I have not actually seen her for 5 years. She could come back any day now though

Grayson · 27-05-2019 03:39PM

KSU wrote: »

The Feminists won't be happy. Could undermine the myth.

All of a sudden they can return to work in order to be on a level playing field with men for promotions etc to balance the gender "wage gap" if they choose while the man stays at home and looks after the family.

I've never heard of a feminist who doesn't want this. It's better for both genders. Gives fathers more time with the parents and creates gender equality. It creates a better work/life balance too.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/may/22/how-stockholm-became-the-city-of-work-life-balance

carq · 27-05-2019 03:39PM

KSU wrote: »

The Feminists won't be happy. Could undermine the myth.

All of a sudden they can return to work in order to be on a level playing field with men for promotions etc to balance the gender "wage gap" if they choose while the man stays at home and looks after the family.

To me this is what the real feminists should be pushing for more of.
It would eliminate any 'Bias' in job selection due to absence related to pregnancy. .

As you point out it would show that 'wage gap' would exist with men who stay at work more vs men who take the 26 weeks rather than it being base don gender alone.

Grayson · 27-05-2019 03:41PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Someone tell TaxAhCruel

We had both of our kids in Germany. It's great here. You get 14 months Parental Leave between you to take pretty much as you want. With the only stipulation being you can take a maximum of 12 months per person. So you can split it 12-2 10-4 7-7 or whatever way you want after that.

And you get, as I recall, 67% of your Salary for that time which is paid not by your company or the government, but your medical insurance I think.

If you decide not to go back to work after that straight away however.... you get no money but your company is obliged to keep your job, or a justifiably comparable and equivalent position, open for a further 2 years.

So there is at least one woman I know here who works for us, but I have not actually seen her for 5 years. She could come back any day now though

I remember this story from a while back

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/08/german-metal-workers-strike-in-bid-to-gain-28-hour-working-weeks

Workers have downed tools at more than 80 companies across Germany as the country’s biggest union stepped up its campaign for a 28-hour working week to allow employees to improve their work-life balance.

In what is shaping up to be the biggest industrial dispute in the metalwork sector in three decades, more than 15,000 employees took part in warning strikes at factories including those of the carmaker Porsche.

The IG Metall union, which represents around 3.9 million workers, wants every employee in the metal and electrical sector to have the option to reduce their working hours for a total period of two years, with the automatic right to return to full-time employment afterwards.

German family policy took a shift in 2007 when a so-called “educational” benefit mainly aimed at mothers was replaced with a “parental benefit” that can be shared between the mother and father of a child.

Under the union proposals, workers who opt for a 28-hour week in order to take care of young children or ageing parents would get an additional allowance of €200 per month. Those who want to take a break from doing shift work with a high health risk would be compensated with €750 per year

KSU · 27-05-2019 03:50PM

Grayson wrote: »

I've never heard of a feminist who doesn't want this. It's better for both genders. Gives fathers more time with the parents and creates gender equality. It creates a better work/life balance too.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/may/22/how-stockholm-became-the-city-of-work-life-balance

What I am saying is that if this were to take off suddenly the figures that are cited (14% pay gap between men and women ) would start to normalize as working hours levelled off somewhat (men in Ireland work 11% more hours on average which is not accounted for in the wage gap)

It undermines the argument that is being regurgitated.

I think 1st and 2nd wave feminists might welcome it but it completely destroys third wave feminist arguments for superior rights to more pay (similar to the eerie silence which came out after the Google wage gap study which resulted in large scale pay increases for males who were found to be underpaid compared to the female colleagues)

Diageo giving 26 weeks paid paternity leave to fathers

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