Ladies and the heat

voldejoie wrote: »

Women definitely do experience temperature differently, but I am still constantly too hot in work and any time I have asked for the aircon to be turned on or the heat turned down I've been asked to 'check in' with the 'representative' on my team who is 'in charge' of letting facilities know we want the temperature adjusted. Apparently they can only make it cooler if everyone agrees, but even when four or five of us (all women actually, now that I think of it) are sweltering, it's not enough. It's honestly the thing I hate most about working in open plan, especially when the rep literally wears a blanket around the office all day, no matter the weather or time of year!

Ficheall wrote: »

Propose amending thread title to "Ladies in heat".

nullzero wrote: »

Well a lot of businesses still expect men to dress in a shirt and tie. Sure, you may work in a place where the lads can wear skirts and you all get along famously, but in reality there aren't large numbers of trans people in most office environments and I never suggested that women always wear skirts or dresses, I merely pointed out that they could potentially be wearing something a lot less restrictive than their male colleagues are expected to wear whilst complaining about the cold.

Your office sounds mighty inclusive, to the point where some of it seems like it may be a little made up tbh.

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

What's wrong with being toasty? We can't help it if you're sweaty bastards.
I used to work at a reception desk where the desk was about chest height but the office chair was standard.
The amount of shirtless men that would arrive into the office come May(minus a wash for extra sexy like) was hilarious.
They all looked completely naked from my perspective, but did they give a feck?

nullzero wrote: »

anewme wrote: »

A lot of businesses dont expect women to wear skirts as per your post..on a typical office.. your "typical" office is bull**** .you are nearly 70 years behind the times. The majorityof women where I work wear black trousers, not skirts as you think.

Trousers are less restrictive thsn skirts or dresses so nit sure why you think women have more freedom wearing a dress.

I work in a real office, have done for 30 years. So qualified to comment.

Im not sure why you would see any issue with people being included irrespective as their choice of dress .this is what employees quite rightly expect in 2019.

You pointed out that women were (again according to you ) getting preferential treatment.

This dark ages attitude is seen as very much consigned to the annals of history. If you worked in a decent respectful job Its the norm. But you use it to take a cheap dig at women.

The fact you think a normal run of the mill office environment where people are allowed be treated adults is made up is strange in itself too.

You're missing the point in fine style.

I never said women are expected to wear skirts.
If you had bothered to read what I had written instead of making assumptions and getting up on your high horse about me being "70 years behind the times" and rhyming off a list if things I never said you would have realised that.

I never said women are getting preferential treatment, I merely scoffed at the notion that men are getting preferential treatment that impacts on the poor put upon women in the office environment.

I have had experience of arguments about air conditioning in situations like I described, men in shirts and ties and women in varying dress often sleeveless tops etc which would obviously make a person feel colder than a long sleeve shirt buttoned up to the neck with a tie.

If this is something which qualifies as a "dark ages attitude" (were women persecuted in the non existent offices of the 10th and 11th centuries? Possibly by knights in their heavy armour wanting to turn on the air conditioning that hadn't been invented for the offices that hadn't been built) then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

I never mentioned any issues about inclusion of people based on their choice of clothing, I merely mentioned that a lot of work places have defined dress codes and that the jeans and t-shirt dress code of some American tech companies hasn't trickled down to all work places, and it is a fact that women have a lot more choices available to them in relation to how they dress within these situations.

The notion of your experience being the norm in a "decent respectful job" (I'm guessing you mean place of employment or moreover the employer themselves rather than the job somebody is employed to do) is laughable. Your experience isn't everyones experience, surely you're aware that things happen differently in different places.

How I have taken any digs at women, cheap or otherwise is beyond me. I haven't said anything derogatory about anyone, my point was to highlight a disparity between men and women in a lot of workplaces which would make men feel warmer than women would have to feel given the amount of different choices of dress they can make.

I felt your "run of the mill office environment" sounded contrived ("the trans people wear what they like", I've no issue with this, but are there really a large group of trans people in your office that can be casually referred to as a group when the number of trans people in society is actually extremely small by head of population?).
It seems like you're taking artistic licence with what you're saying, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do work with a group of diverse people who just happen to tick a number of boxes for inclusivity and you can all wear anything you like to work, a lot of us have to fit into a dress code still, your experience isn't the norm for everybody even if that does mean the rest of us are stuck in the 1950's bt your logic.

Jonas Odd Menthol wrote: »

This is very different to what the previous poster was arguing. Women have more choice and likely attire ranges from as insulating to less insulating to a shirt and trousers. This creates a disparity.

IMO, dial the AC at the lower bound and allow layers of additional clothing to accommodate the personal preferences. If there are warmer areas away from windows, etc, maybe take that into account. Exploring layers rather than adjusting the AC is better for the environment and means individual preferences can be catered for.