John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

MrMusician18 · 20-05-2019 01:27PM

Necro wrote: »

Tbf, the supporters (on this thread anyways) have long since ran away with their tails between their legs. I'd love to know what they had to say after all of this though...

A lot of them weren't really defending Delaney, just pointing out that he was a symptom not a cause. He was allowed to carry on the way here did by those that enabled and supported him. Those people are still in place all over the country.

Those that complained were mostly not involved in the domestic game attending only internationals. When you're not involved the moaning is easy to ignore.

yabadabado · 20-05-2019 01:49PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Those that complained were mostly not involved in the domestic game attending only internationals. When you're not involved the moaning is easy to ignore.

What's this now ?
Can you elaborate?

Nesta99 · 20-05-2019 02:23PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A lot of them weren't really defending Delaney, just pointing out that he was a symptom not a cause. He was allowed to carry on the way here did by those that enabled and supported him. Those people are still in place all over the country.

Those that complained were mostly not involved in the domestic game attending only internationals. When you're not involved the moaning is easy to ignore.

You better put on the hard hat after that statement!!! The biggest critics of JD for the last decade and a half were from the highest level of the domestic game!

D14Rugby · 20-05-2019 02:29PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Those that complained were mostly not involved in the domestic game attending only internationals. When you're not involved the moaning is easy to ignore.

Surely that's a poor attempt at a wind up yeah?

MrMusician18 · 20-05-2019 02:54PM

Nesta99 wrote: »

You better put on the hard hat after that statement!!! The biggest critics of JD for the last decade and a half were from the highest level of the domestic game!

What clubs specifically have been critical of Delaney? The critics within the game were few and far between.

That's why the carry on went on for so long. He had support. You can be critical of Delaney in isolation, he only flourished because he was let.

Corholio · 20-05-2019 03:18PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A lot of them weren't really defending Delaney, just pointing out that he was a symptom not a cause. He was allowed to carry on the way here did by those that enabled and supported him. Those people are still in place all over the country.

Those that complained were mostly not involved in the domestic game attending only internationals. When you're not involved the moaning is easy to ignore.

They definitely weren't just doing that, they were fully defending him. 'Whats wrong with the 100,000 ' etc etc.

Your second paragraph is even more bizarre. There have been plenty of critics from within the domestic games but why would Delaney care about that when it wouldn't be taken notice of.

This thread really has had some zingers of posts.

MrMusician18 · 20-05-2019 03:31PM

Corholio wrote: »

They definitely weren't just doing that, they were fully defending him. 'Whats wrong with the 100,000 ' etc etc.

Your second paragraph is even more bizarre. There have been plenty of critics from within the domestic games but why would Delaney care about that when it wouldn't be taken notice of.

This thread really has had some zingers of posts.

Name the clubs, not individuals, that have been critical of Delaney.

Silence...

That's were only a handful of individuals from within the game, the odd journalist and tbf a few supporters. But even then these supporters we're still tacitly supporting the FAI by attending the games, so it would be valid to question the strength of their opinions.

D14Rugby · 20-05-2019 03:32PM

Lads there's absolutely no point in biting, stuff being said is so stupid it's obviously just bait

Corholio · 20-05-2019 03:38PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Name the clubs, not individuals, that have been critical of Delaney.

Silence...

That's were only a handful of individuals from within the game, the odd journalist and tbf a few supporters. But even then these supporters we're still tacitly supporting the FAI by attending the games, so it would be valid to question the strength of their opinions.

Do you want clubs to release statements condemning the head of the association that barely gave a **** about them anyway? You are looking for something that isn't realistic but is the easiest thing to say in isolation. A 'few' supporters....lol There have been loud Delaney chants sang at LOI grounds for years with plenty of banners confiscated, just because these people didn't release press statements for you doesn't mean it didn't exist. I'd say find another angle for your bait.

20-05-2019 03:49PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Name the clubs, not individuals, that have been critical of Delaney.

Silence...

That's were only a handful of individuals from within the game, the odd journalist and tbf a few supporters. But even then these supporters we're still tacitly supporting the FAI by attending the games, so it would be valid to question the strength of their opinions.

I think most understand very well why Irish clubs could not criticise Delaney.

We are talking about a man who was so sensitive to criticism and so determined to crush it that he had stewards at overseas games ordered to remove any Delaney out banners.

givyjoe · 20-05-2019 03:49PM

[QUOTE=MrMusician18;110232144]What clubs specifically have been critical of Delaney? The critics within the game were few and far between.

That's why the carry on went on for so long. He had support. You can be critical of Delaney in isolation, he only flourished because he was let.[/QUOTE]

You could literally apply the same 'logic' to Kim Jong Il and North Korea.

MrMusician18 · 20-05-2019 04:31PM

Corholio wrote: »

Do you want clubs to release statements condemning the head of the association that barely gave a **** about them anyway? You are looking for something that isn't realistic but is the easiest thing to say in isolation. A 'few' supporters....lol There have been loud Delaney chants sang at LOI grounds for years with plenty of banners confiscated, just because these people didn't release press statements for you doesn't mean it didn't exist. I'd say find another angle for your bait.

It's not just about statements but actions. These same clubs voted for council members who kept Delaney and friends at the top of Irish football

What does that say about them?

eagle eye · 20-05-2019 04:54PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It's not just about statements but actions. These same clubs voted for council members who kept Delaney and friends at the top of Irish football

What does that say about them?

Exactly what it should say. People pick out Delaney and consider him the only one that is at it which is way, way off.

MrMusician18 · 20-05-2019 05:06PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Exactly what it should say. People pick out Delaney and consider him the only one that is at it which is way, way off.

This is exactly my point. Getting rid of Delaney won't be a real victory unless the rot is completely excised from Irish football. And the rot runs deep, when you look at the current boards football credentials.

Getting Delaney out is totemic, but it's the enablers and supporters that are the real problem. Without real reform and new honest faces at all levels, you'll have the same issues again 5/10 years down the line with another board.

Irishmale0399 · 20-05-2019 06:08PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This is exactly my point. Getting rid of Delaney won't be a real victory unless the rot is completely excised from Irish football. And the rot runs deep, when you look at the current boards football credentials.

Getting Delaney out is totemic, but it's the enablers and supporters that are the real problem. Without real reform and new honest faces at all levels, you'll have the same issues again 5/10 years down the line with another board.

If you look at Dundalks chairmans twitter accoubt you will see he has been questioning the FAI since the summer and long before the 100,000. As I have said here before....Peak6 are one of the few owners who could take him on. Problem with other clubs (and this is no dig) is the FAI have been holding them by the short and curlies for years and fines were issued to keep them in line.

BonnieSituation · 20-05-2019 06:25PM

I also think it's useful to not conflate the domestic game in totality with the LOI.

Junior/provincial/schoolboy (you know what I mean) football have been in his pocket for years.

The LOI clubs being a lone voice generally whistling in the wind.

So maybe some clarity would be forthcoming from those above, about exactly what and who they means when they talk about the "domestic game" in relation to protesting and criticising of Delaney.

Corholio · 20-05-2019 06:28PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This is exactly my point. Getting rid of Delaney won't be a real victory unless the rot is completely excised from Irish football. And the rot runs deep, when you look at the current boards football credentials.

Getting Delaney out is totemic, but it's the enablers and supporters that are the real problem. Without real reform and new honest faces at all levels, you'll have the same issues again 5/10 years down the line with another board.

This whole 'Everyone thinks its just Delaney' stuff is tired at this stage. That was the excuse the Delaney backers started using when more and more stories started coming out. Everyone know it's not just Delaney, far from it being only him, but he was the figurehead and these enablers rode the train to him. Nobody is saying if Delaney goes it's all ok. Irish football has far too many fractures for it to happen anyway quick, leagues like the LSL etc having their own separate playtime with football in this country is and has always been ridiculous.

osarusan · 20-05-2019 07:04PM

Delaney had so much power within the organisation that you can't really know what people really think of him. Even people and clubs who couldn't stand him, had to toe the line anyway.

eagle eye · 20-05-2019 07:24PM

BonnieSituation wrote:

The LOI clubs being a lone voice generally whistling in the wind.

You are way off the mark if you think LOI clubs are clean.

20-05-2019 10:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are way off the mark if you think LOI clubs are clean.

If you could link the post that said Delaney is the only problem and once he's gone it'll be grand, it would be helpful.

But you're hardly trying to argue that we should gloss over Delaney's wrongs because there may be other unspecified issues in the LoI...are you? Surely it would work the other way around, how could we expect the game here to be a paragon of virtue given the accusations against the FAI and the man at the helm.

BonnieSituation · 20-05-2019 11:06PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are way off the mark if you think LOI clubs are clean.

Where did I say I think all LOI clubs are clean?

What has that got to do with the clear point I made that the Domestic game in totality =/= the LOI?

Anyway, shouldn't you be over in the FFP thread defending City with some whataboutery?

eagle eye · 20-05-2019 11:18PM

Deleted User wrote:

But you're hardly trying to argue that we should gloss over Delaney's wrongs because there may be other unspecified issues in the LoI...are you? Surely it would work the other way around, how could we expect the game here to be a paragon of virtue given the accusations against the FAI and the man at the helm.

I'm certainly not suggesting we should gloss over Delaney's stuff by any stretch. Cutting the head off the snake is a great start.
Like this guy was at it back in the 90's as treasurer. Louis Kilcoyne turfed Shamrock Rovers out on the street and later became President of the FAI. He had Delaney as his sidekick and when he got turfed out Delaney looked out too but somehow ended up in a more powerful position. You couldn't make it up.

20-05-2019 11:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm certainly not suggesting we should gloss over Delaney's stuff by any stretch. Cutting the head off the snake is a great start.
Like this guy was at it back in the 90's as treasurer. Louis Kilcoyne turfed Shamrock Rovers out on the street and later became President of the FAI. He had Delaney as his sidekick and when he got turfed out Delaney looked out too but somehow ended up in a more powerful position. You couldn't make it up.

Oh I agree, it's kinda lurched from one crisis to another, new regimes only seem to put a cork on problems for a few years rather than address them.

Zebra3 · 21-05-2019 12:42AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm certainly not suggesting we should gloss over Delaney's stuff by any stretch. Cutting the head off the snake is a great start.
Like this guy was at it back in the 90's as treasurer. Louis Kilcoyne turfed Shamrock Rovers out on the street and later became President of the FAI. He had Delaney as his sidekick and when he got turfed out Delaney looked out too but somehow ended up in a more powerful position. You couldn't make it up.

Think you’re mixing up Delaney with his auld lad.

A different contemptible c**t.

johnnyryan89 · 21-05-2019 08:18AM

Noel Mooney coming out denying any involvement with the Hall report that created the new role for JD when he stepped aside as CEO. This lad on twitter @The_Irishkieran, should check out his profile as there's a few interesting tweets but he seems to be connecting some dots which show that Noel Mooney and Jonathan Hall have some links.

https://twitter.com/The_Irishkieran/status/1129585648246108161

Seems Mooney is pally pals with the lads from Oman too.

expectationlost · 21-05-2019 01:02PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/fai-appointee-noel-mooney-denies-role-in-pivotal-hall-report-1.3898843

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKLqMwANN0

where did this thing of footballs clubs interviewing their own staff come from?

kippy · 21-05-2019 01:34PM

expectationlost wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/fai-appointee-noel-mooney-denies-role-in-pivotal-hall-report-1.3898843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKLqMwANN0

where did this thing of footballs clubs interviewing their own staff come from?

Control the message - take the independent media out of the equation and that's PR 101 Step 1 sorted.

-Edit- He even sounds like JD!

Irishmale0399 · 21-05-2019 01:41PM

Lads JD has friends at UEFA, his old mate Mooney flies in from UEFA and in 6 months no one will speak about JD, the FAI will move on, the government will forget everything....... Its nothing more than a damage limitation exercise with JD pulling the strings in from UEFA head office.

shanec1928 · 21-05-2019 02:43PM

ah nothing like a healthy dose of propaganda

Seth Brundle · 21-05-2019 02:46PM

"Comments are disabled for this video."
ha!