No point in trying to better yourself is there ?

johnmck · 20-05-2019 01:34AM #1

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.
Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals.
I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting !
Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.
Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

Qrt · 20-05-2019 01:36AM

johnmck wrote: »

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.
Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals.
I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting !
Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.
Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

It’s **** but the reality of the 21st Century. But as long as we keep electing centrist/neoliberal governments, nothing will change.

Twenty Grand · 20-05-2019 01:45AM

johnmck wrote: »

Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.

Good luck with that. Enjoy living on the scratch for the rest of your life with your 5 kids. With any luck you'll all end up in a hotel room for a few years then maybe some hovel in the inner city.

Situation in the cities is sh*t for anyone renting, it's not likely to get better any time soon .
If you're a teacher then why not move out of Dublin? You could go anywhere in the country if you wanted. Houses in Leitrim are going for a song. Head back to Dub at the weekends for pints. Hell even head off and teach English in the middle East or Asia for a few year, come back when things have settled a bit.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 20-05-2019 01:47AM

The government should be building 100,000 houses per year to help people like you out.

It's the one thing that is unavoidable in a society. Everyone needs a place to live (and food as well).

You can argue about what the dole should be, or cost over runs on a hospital, or new roads being built, or hospital waiting times, or lack of public transport, or rural broadband or whatever. Housing is the number one issue that should be sorted out, and this government has absolutely failed in that regard.

Social and affordable housing should have been the number one priority over the past 5 years. And it's the number one reason I want this government to get a kicking in the elections next week.

ygolometsipe · 20-05-2019 03:08AM

It's a ****ty situation for loads of people. I don't think the government is really trying. They seem to do the bare minimum to try to save face but i think everyone knows at this stage its a farce.

The thing is, their policy is making a lot of house owners/landlords wealthy and there are no real alternatives to FFG bar Shin Fein which is another issue.

I hope it all changes down the line but don't give up, just vote.

Rjd2 · 20-05-2019 03:11AM

Qrt wrote: »

It’s **** but the reality of the 21st Century. But as long as we keep electing centrist/neoliberal governments, nothing will change.

The market will sort it out.:p

20-05-2019 03:35AM

You sound single. Take that teaching qualification and get a good job in an international school in Asia or something. What's the point in fighting life when you can have a good one handed to you.

I'm friends with a lot of English and Irish people who have done just that.

Always Tired · 20-05-2019 03:36AM

Yeah everyone who is ever faced with the indignity of having to move house should just pack in their job, sell their car, and go get in the queue for free gaffs cuz theres no point in anything any more at all lads.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-05-2019 04:00AM

Im sorry OP i wish i had an answer for you. One of my best mates is a teacher and my mother taught art to secondary students for a while i know how hard it is.

Maybe you could gain a post nearer to your cousin's cottage after a while.

All i can say is sometimes these things have a way of working out.

ToddyDoody · 20-05-2019 04:11AM

Be more evil.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-05-2019 04:20AM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Be more evil.

Ooh ...i like it!

TuringBot47 · 20-05-2019 08:18AM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

The thing is, their policy is making a lot of house owners/landlords wealthy

They don't have a policy.
There hasn't been large scale council built housing estates in many decades.
Even if there was, people on the housing list would reject them because they're not in their chosen area.

House owners can't be criticised for their houses acquiring value in a capitalist market with limited supply.

Landlords, since people are leaving marriage until much later in life, we've a lot of accidental landlords where a self sufficient man and woman both had houses before they met up. So one house ends up getting rented out. But the government is absolutely treating accidental landlords as commercial entities, which they are not. Giving tenants the right to stay somewhere for life even if it's against the wishes of landlord? That's the state pushing it's responsibilities on to public and to the private sector.

Re: Op's problems...

Teaching isn't centralized in cities, so as people said, why focus on Dublin?
Also there's plenty of places in between Dublin and your "2.5 hour commute".
And you don't have to commute by car either, a good train link helps.

CucaFace · 20-05-2019 08:44AM

You aren't alone, I know a number of others in a similar position to you. Normal workers and businesses who can only afford to pay normal salaries seem to no longer be welcome in Dublin city (I would equate this as 25k to 35k a year jobs).

I'm disgusted with the current government over this as they have failed to protect or give a crap about the actual people who pay the majority of the tax money they collect to spend to try and buy their way to the next election.

This is not a complicated issue to solve. Its a basic supply v demand issue and the government have done nothing except the bare minimum to increase the supply. In fact this morning they have been shown to have been taking from the supply to normal working people to buy housing stock for the long term wasters brigade at the middle classes expense.

They have allowed the continual building of too many student housing villages (aimed only at the rich), office blocks and hotels, neither of which will do anything to help with the supply issue. They should have declared an emergency a year ago and blocked planning permission for new hotels or anything that will take away our current building capacity from starting to build apartment and houses for normal working people to live in.

The current government are either totally incompetent or what is happening is part of their long term plan for Dublin, either way they have to be voted out solely down this to issue. IMO.

Plumbthedepths · 20-05-2019 08:51AM

Cool another dole bashing/social housing thread. Yawn......

Spleerbun · 20-05-2019 08:52AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

The government should be building 100,000 houses per year to help people like you out.
.

*high rise apartment buildings in the city centre

suicide_circus · 20-05-2019 08:55AM

once you are a home owner you have a vested interest in prices and rents being high

BattleCorp · 20-05-2019 08:58AM

Firstly, congrats on retraining and bettering yourself. It's not something to be regretted.

Secondly, a 2.5 hour commute each way is too much. I'm doing a 1.5 hour commute each day and it's p1ssing me off. And I'm lucky, I've a company car so I don't have to pay for fuel. It's not just the length of the 2.5 hour commute that would kill you, the price of fuel/running a car would kill you.

My advice is to share a room in a house somewhere near where you work for the time being. Keep on the lookout for another job outside of the capital and just keep going until something turns up. As your experience builds, so does your employability. Stick with it.

Enjoy the Summer hols.

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2019 09:09AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

once you are a home owner you have a vested interest in prices and rents being high

What?
I'm a home owner and I have zero interest in prices and rents being high. I have an interest in interest rates being low so I can pay my mortgage and can also afford buy fripperies like food, pay bills etc.

My house is my home. I am not selling. I am not renting it out. I am living in it and paying for it every month. How much the house next door sells for has absolutely no interest for me bar noting that the sale price is still less than what was paid for it when it was first bought in 2005 as a new build.

I'm a home owner and I believe the govt should be building social housing.
I'm a home owner and I believe the rental market is a complete shambles.

tjhook · 20-05-2019 09:29AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

once you are a home owner you have a vested interest in prices and rents being high

Not necessarily. If you have any intention to move to a bigger or more expensive house in the future, then you may not want the prices to rise, as this will mean you need to borrow/save a higher amount to cover the higher cost of the next house.

If you want to stay in your current house for good, then raising prices may mean a higher home tax (once the Government gets around to it).

Raising prices are good for those downsizing, or selling to move abroad, or selling to rent. But I think they're a minority.

TuringBot47 · 20-05-2019 09:30AM

CucaFace wrote: »

This is not a complicated issue to solve.

It is if the government has limited funds.
Don't forget to thank Fianna Fail for that at the voting booths.

Hedgelayer · 20-05-2019 09:38AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What?
I'm a home owner and I have zero interest in prices and rents being high. I have an interest in interest rates being low so I can pay my mortgage and can also afford buy fripperies like food, pay bills etc.

My house is my home. I am not selling. I am not renting it out. I am living in it and paying for it every month. How much the house next door sells for has absolutely no interest for me bar noting that the sale price is still less than what was paid for it when it was first bought in 2005 as a new build.

I'm a home owner and I believe the govt should be building social housing.
I'm a home owner and I believe the rental market is a complete shambles.

Your post reminds me of a Fr Ted sketch lol

You tell em, you're a home owner.

I hear you're a racist now Father

valoren · 20-05-2019 09:40AM

Why can't you stay in your father's house?

Bannasidhe · 20-05-2019 09:42AM

TuringBot47 wrote: »

It is if the government has limited funds.
Don't forget to thank Fianna Fail for that at the voting booths.

The government has no idea how to manage the limited funds - millions paid out to put people up in hotels and B&B's, millions paid to private landlords under HAP, paying over the odds to buy houses on the open market, not to mention massive overrun on pretty much every single infrastructure build...but apparently we can't afford to build social housing...

I'm no fan of FF but this is down to the current government - they are calling the shots and making a complete hames of it.

cgcsb · 20-05-2019 09:42AM

Go to Dubai and teach English, work on your tan. After 4 years come back, buy your own house and teach at your leisure. The housing crisis isn't being tackled because the right people are making a good profit from it. This will remain the same under a FG/FF/LAB or even SF government.

20-05-2019 09:43AM

Yes its ****y yoiu have ended up in this siutation.

If you are a secondary teacher in a permanent job you are on a minimum €36,318k so realistically the maximum mortgage you are going to get would be about 160k looking at the school you are in look at every where within an hours commute to the school you would get something in and aroun Navan for example. Realistically you will never be able to buy In Dublin and accepting tht is kind of liberating.

Or, get a career brake go to the middle east for a few years save like mad and then come home and get something.

BarryD2 · 20-05-2019 09:45AM

johnmck wrote: »

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.

One solution is fairly simple. Housing is generally cheaper outside the main cities so look for a teaching post outside Dublin.

Tikki Wang Wang · 20-05-2019 09:49AM

johnmck wrote: »

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.
Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals.
I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting !
Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.
Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057978875/1/#post110122148

johnmck · 20-05-2019 09:51AM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Good luck with that. Enjoy living on the scratch for the rest of your life with your 5 kids. With any luck you'll all end up in a hotel room for a few years then maybe some hovel in the inner city.

Situation in the cities is sh*t for anyone renting, it's not likely to get better any time soon .
If you're a teacher then why not move out of Dublin? You could go anywhere in the country if you wanted. Houses in Leitrim are going for a song. Head back to Dub at the weekends for pints. Hell even head off and teach English in the middle East or Asia for a few year, come back when things have settled a bit.

I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

johnmck · 20-05-2019 09:54AM

TuringBot47 wrote: »

They don't have a policy.
There hasn't been large scale council built housing estates in many decades.
Even if there was, people on the housing list would reject them because they're not in their chosen area.

House owners can't be criticised for their houses acquiring value in a capitalist market with limited supply.

Landlords, since people are leaving marriage until much later in life, we've a lot of accidental landlords where a self sufficient man and woman both had houses before they met up. So one house ends up getting rented out. But the government is absolutely treating accidental landlords as commercial entities, which they are not. Giving tenants the right to stay somewhere for life even if it's against the wishes of landlord? That's the state pushing it's responsibilities on to public and to the private sector.

Re: Op's problems...

Teaching isn't centralized in cities, so as people said, why focus on Dublin?
Also there's plenty of places in between Dublin and your "2.5 hour commute".
And you don't have to commute by car either, a good train link helps.

My permanent post is in Dublin. I would have to go back to square one if I leave it! No guarantee I'd get a post outside of Dublin. It's all about who you know where I'm from! At least I got my post in Dublin on my merit

20-05-2019 09:55AM

johnmck wrote: »

I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

What is to stop you committing an hour or so just like thousands of othere? do you feel you have a right to live in Dublin?

johnmck · 20-05-2019 09:57AM

BarryD2 wrote: »

One solution is fairly simple. Housing is generally cheaper outside the main cities so look for a teaching post outside Dublin.

I've been looking!

No point in trying to better yourself is there ?

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