Distance spraying from house

Mad_maxx · 18-05-2019 09:33AM #1

Just wondering if there is any exclusion zone around houses when it comes to spraying, local farmer has two fields of barley beside the house and in the case of one, the distance is barely fifty metres.

Beit planted shrubs, trees or children out playing, you wonder how safe it is to come that close?

He currently has winter barely planted and sprays every two weeks

Mooooo · 18-05-2019 09:37AM

Your grand, buffer zones are generally 5 to 10m. 50m will be fine.

Mad_maxx · 18-05-2019 09:51AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Your grand, buffer zones are generally 5 to 10m. 50m will be fine.

I'm not the farmer with the barley, I'm the house dweller with trees, shrubs and children out playing

I've a beech hedge half dead this spring, do some cereal growers use extra potent pesticides, as I said earlier, this man sprays every fortnight, other farmers locally think he's mad, that three times max from sowing to harvesting is enough?

The hedge and trees are much less than 10 metres, the house is around 40 m

Mooooo · 18-05-2019 10:03AM

I understand that. Not a tillage farmer but it's possible one of those sprays may be liquid fertiliser and not a fungicide. There are new regs in with the last number of years where training is required to spray and equipment inspected, which would have been done by a tillage farmer. If you're worried talk to him, as I said 5 to 10 m is the exclusion zone and those sprays he is putting on the plant wouldn't kill the hedge

Mad_maxx · 18-05-2019 10:13AM

Mooooo wrote: »

I understand that. Not a tillage farmer but it's possible one of those sprays may be liquid fertiliser and not a fungicide. There are new regs in with the last number of years where training is required to spray and equipment inspected, which would have been done by a tillage farmer. If you're worried talk to him, as I said 5 to 10 m is the exclusion zone and those sprays he is putting on the plant wouldn't kill the hedge

Would they kill trees if the wind was blowing, spray doesn't always fall straight down, I keep a small flock of sheep around the house as well so they are grazing the grass adjoining this barley ground

Waffletraktor · 18-05-2019 10:45AM

Herbicides would be out in March/April if concerned as what killed your hedge take a sample to a lab to find traces as most herbs will have a little residual action. Some actives are just very potent to some plant families and affected by the barest whiff.
Fungicide/growth reg(firebrigade run of terpal or moddus)/liquid fert(likely if spraying so often) or micronutrients this time of year. Likely just an ear wash left. Modern nozzles used right are very consistent with droplet size so easy enough to manage drift . Usually just knock of outer section off near a house

Mad_maxx · 18-05-2019 11:20AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Herbicides would be out in March/April if concerned as what killed your hedge take a sample to a lab to find traces as most herbs will have a little residual action. Some actives are just very potent to some plant families and affected by the barest whiff.
Fungicide/growth reg(firebrigade run of terpal or moddus)/liquid fert(likely if spraying so often) or micronutrients this time of year. Likely just an ear wash left. Modern nozzles used right are very consistent with droplet size so easy enough to manage drift . Usually just knock of outer section off near a house

I just measured from the front door of the house to the boundary of the tillage man's field, 40 metres exactly, any risk to human health? , should children be inside if spraying taking place?, should all windows be shut?, came home yesterday and the woman didn't realise the guy was out spraying

Dinzee Conlee · 18-05-2019 12:09PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I just measured from the front door of the house to the boundary of the tillage man's field, 40 metres exactly, any risk to human health? , should children be inside if spraying taking place?, should all windows be shut?, came home yesterday and the woman didn't realise the guy was out spraying

Have exactly the same situation - less than 40m i’d imagine...

I would bring the kids in whilst spraying is taking place, that’s it, just in case of any drift. But that’d only be for 20min maybe...
Windows, ah, I wouldn’t be too worried... like, the days he’d be spraying would be very still anyways...

Never seen any issues with any of the sprays affecting any other plants... wish they did something for the briars...

Edit - I have sheep too, and they’d be just a fence between the tillage field and the sheep, so could be just a few feet... The sheep would generally move away, but wouldn’t be too worried...

K.G. · 18-05-2019 01:51PM

It always amazes me how people get put out about sprays and fertilizers but are quiet happy to drive around in cars or hop into planes spewing out fumes .sprays these days are mega safe to the point where they are nearly not doing the job.

Waffletraktor · 18-05-2019 02:27PM

K.G. wrote: »

It always amazes me how people get put out about sprays and fertilizers but are quiet happy to drive around in cars or hop into planes spewing out fumes .sprays these days are mega safe to the point where they are nearly not doing the job.

It’s commercial veg and fruit that uses the nasty insecticide and herbs to prevent pest damaging the finish on final product or nematodes in root crops. Never mind the obliteration soils receive to make them fine enough maximize seedling germination.
Or the push for backdoor population control by reducing western output of commodity produce pushing the jams back into food poverty as wealthier countries supplement their own domestic output and fudge the rest.
Least folk can virtue signal on insta or Twitter with their new apple xR or xs

Mad_maxx · 18-05-2019 02:40PM

K.G. wrote: »

It always amazes me how people get put out about sprays and fertilizers but are quiet happy to drive around in cars or hop into planes spewing out fumes .sprays these days are mega safe to the point where they are nearly not doing the job.

No issues with fertiliser, didn't know it might be liquid fertiliser being applied..

Pesticides are dangerous,much more so than exhaust fumes,you don't even use a knapsack without wearing a mask, every year another product ends up banned so it's not something you can be relaxed about, my young fella has asthma, as do i

K.G. · 18-05-2019 10:12PM

You asked for opinions so we gave it.if you're really panicking give your number to farmer and tell him you d like to make yourself scarce when hes coming spraying

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 08:13AM

K.G. wrote: »

You asked for opinions so we gave it.if you're really panicking give your number to farmer and tell him you d like to make yourself scarce when hes coming spraying

Just correcting your incorrect assumption

TooOldBoots · 19-05-2019 12:29PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Just wondering if there is any exclusion zone around houses when it comes to spraying, local farmer has two fields of barley beside the house and in the case of one, the distance is barely fifty metres.

Beit planted shrubs, trees or children out playing, you wonder how safe it is to come that close?

He currently has winter barely planted and sprays every two weeks

Buffers and exclusions mean fook all when it comes to you and your families health. The drift from sprays can travel much further during a windy day.
The farmer is not supposed to spray during windy conditions.
If I was that farmer there is no way I'd dream of spraying like that when its so close to a house.
You should set up a camera and record his activities, then if anyone gets sick from the spray you can take action against him

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 01:28PM

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Buffers and exclusions mean fook all when it comes to you and your families health. The drift from sprays can travel much further during a windy day.
The farmer is not supposed to spray during windy conditions.
If I was that farmer there is no way I'd dream of spraying like that when its so close to a house.
You should set up a camera and record his activities, then if anyone gets sick from the spray you can take action against him

I'll approach him about it, not sure who you might report him to however? as I doubt he takes much notice of a complaint

Dinzee Conlee · 19-05-2019 01:37PM

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Buffers and exclusions mean fook all when it comes to you and your families health. The drift from sprays can travel much further during a windy day.
The farmer is not supposed to spray during windy conditions.
If I was that farmer there is no way I'd dream of spraying like that when its so close to a house.
You should set up a camera and record his activities, then if anyone gets sick from the spray you can take action against him

I don’t know if we know for sure the farmer is spraying in windy conditions to be fair...

What would you do so close to a house?

Would you not recommend talking to the farmer first, rather than the first reaction to put up a camera?

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 01:49PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I don’t know if we know for sure the farmer is spraying in windy conditions to be fair...

What would you do so close to a house?

Would you not recommend talking to the farmer first, rather than the first reaction to put up a camera?

He was spraying in windy conditions on Friday!, ideally he would not plant at all so close to a dwelling, its not even his field, he has it rented

K.G. · 19-05-2019 03:30PM

Ah.... country life

19-05-2019 03:53PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

He was spraying in windy conditions on Friday!, ideally he would not plant at all so close to a dwelling, its not even his field, he has it rented

He wouldn’t plant so close to a house? Are you for real? Clearly you shouldn’t be living in the county with rubbish talk like that.

bogman_bass · 19-05-2019 04:10PM

A lot of beech hedges took a hammering with the late frost this year.

_Brian · 19-05-2019 04:27PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

A lot of beech hedges took a hammering with the late frost this year.

Lots of plants did.

I see leaves on established ivy burnt black here.

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 04:37PM

Nova Substantial Stomachache wrote: »

He wouldn’t plant so close to a house? Are you for real? Clearly you shouldn’t be living in the county with rubbish talk like that.

I'm afraid it's you who are talking rubbish!

Do you think someone can ride roughshod over all and any health concerns? , some farmers really do have an awful sense of entitlement to do what they like regardless of the effects on others, people like you would happily plant and spray outside someone's window and not an ounce of consideration either

Those days are numbered and the sooner its realised, the better for everyone.

Mooooo · 19-05-2019 04:53PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I'm afraid it's you who are talking rubbish!

Do you think someone can ride roughshod over all and any health concerns? , some farmers really do have an awful sense of entitlement to do what they like regardless of the effects on others, people like you would happily plant and spray outside someone's window and not an ounce of consideration either

Those days are numbered and the sooner its realised, the better for everyone.

No one should ride roughshod over health concerns. It's whether those health concerns are (un)founded or not is the issue. You've asked for advice, it has been given. Talk to the man if you've any questions or if you want him to give you prior notice. He is most likely doing nothing wrong from the descriptions you've given so you complaining to anyone is unlikely to do anything. You can try and get on with your neighbours as much as possible and that would normally give the best results all round.

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 04:59PM

Mooooo wrote: »

No one should ride roughshod over health concerns. It's whether those health concerns are (un)founded or not is the issue. You've asked for advice, it has been given. Talk to the man if you've any questions or if you want him to give you prior notice. He is most likely doing nothing wrong from the descriptions you've given so you complaining to anyone is unlikely to do anything. You can try and get on with your neighbours as much as possible and that would normally give the best results all round.

I've gotten useful advice from a few contributors and that is appreciated,( Dinzee is of the view that spreading in windy conditions is wreckless) others however have not offered advice but reductive sarcasm

As for getting on with neighbours, that's a two way street and if the price from my end is accepting health risks, then I won't be keeping quiet just so others can do what they please

Waffletraktor · 19-05-2019 05:01PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I'm afraid it's you who are talking rubbish!

Do you think someone can ride roughshod over all and any health concerns? , some farmers really do have an awful sense of entitlement to do what they like regardless of the effects on others, people like you would happily plant and spray outside someone's window and not an ounce of consideration either

Those days are numbered and the sooner its realised, the better for everyone.

Clueless.
With Lerap 3 compliant nozzles that most high use applicators will have drift isn't much of an issue these days just use a slightly more coarse mist with boom control that can keep within 50cm of target height. You general want a small breeze as it forces moisture down where as dead calm and hot conditions can cause vapourisation to float away on the wind. Products are scented the same as seed coatings are coloured to warn fookwits and animals away from the chem until it's been disapated.
40m is not close by a dwelling house, and you all but admited your clueless on what he's used in his crop care programme other than chems are bad. Sounds more like a bad grudge with the bloke looking for a reason for a moan at this stage.

Mooooo · 19-05-2019 05:06PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I've gotten useful advice from a few contributors and that is appreciated,( Dinzee is of the view that spreading in windy conditions is wreckless) others however have not offered advice but reductive sarcasm

As for getting on with neighbours, that's a two way street and if the price from my end is accepting health risks, then I won't be keeping quiet just so others can do what they please

What health risks. Your making assumption on no knowledge. Talk to him. Ask for a heads up when he is spraying. You don't know what he is spraying or what it does. The man spraying does and is trained in its use. Neighbours here have land here rented to tillage and veg farmers with years field 10 metres from the back door. No issues at all in their 90s and one still driving

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 05:08PM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Clueless.
With Lerap 3 compliant nozzles that most high use applicators will have drift isn't much of an issue these days just use a slightly more coarse mist with boom control that can keep within 50cm of target height. You general want a small breeze as it forces moisture down where as dead calm and hot conditions can cause vapourisation to float away on the wind. Products are scented the same as seed coatings are coloured to warn fookwits and animals away from the chem until it's been disapated.
40m is not close by a dwelling house, and you all but admited your clueless on what he's used in his crop care programme other than chems are bad. Sounds more like a bad grudge with the bloke looking for a reason for a moan at this stage.

This is the kind of ( turd like) reductive stuff I was referring to

Guess what genius? , my three year old son can't recognise the scent of cereal spray

Waffletraktor · 19-05-2019 05:12PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

This is the kind of ( turd like) reductive stuff I was referring to

Guess what genius? , my three year old son can't recognise the scent of cereal spray

Ye you can, it stinks.
Or have you a chronic lack of supervision and unable to contain them in a safe area of the property?

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 05:13PM

Mooooo wrote: »

What health risks. Your making assumption on no knowledge. Talk to him. Ask for a heads up when he is spraying. You don't know what he is spraying or what it does. The man spraying does and is trained in its use. Neighbours here have land here rented to tillage and veg farmers with years field 10 metres from the back door. No issues at all in their 90s and one still driving

Yes I'm aware how cavalier that generation is about all things health and safety.half of them died from working with aspestos etc

Mad_maxx · 19-05-2019 05:15PM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ye you can, it stinks.
Or have you a chronic lack of supervision and unable to contain them in a safe area of the property?

So it's all on us, the tillage guy has no responsibility?

Classy by the way, questioning someones parenting ability.

Waffletraktor · 19-05-2019 05:18PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So it's all on us, the tillage guy has no responsibility?

Unless you can give evidence he's done anything wrong and not worked to the regs other than your uninformed and ignorant opinion on the subject, yes. Yes it is.

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