Stopping at zebra crossings

iamtony · 17-05-2019 08:35PM

Of course you were in the right to stop op. Even if there wasn't a zebra crossing and someone was crossing the road you are obliged to stop and let them cross. Pedestrians have ultimate right of way, if you hit them it's almost always the drivers fault.

Danger781 · 17-05-2019 08:52PM

Considering you have dash cam footage, and a witness to everything that happened, I really believe you should be reporting that man. He sounds like a danger to pedestrians if he doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of a zebra crossing, and a danger to other motorists if he nearly went into the back of you in what I assume is a 50km zone. Also his aggressive threatening behavior should not be tolerated. I would be pretty confident that isn't the first time he's done something like that.

If the guards do nothing about it so be it, but at least you've done your due diligence.

selectamatic · 17-05-2019 08:55PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Throw the dashcam up here OP

Bump

punisher5112 · 18-05-2019 03:25AM

selectamatic wrote: »

Bump

Is the bump ok?

18-05-2019 03:44AM

Crock Rock wrote: »

Why do people ignore pedestrian crossings here?

Yeah, not in my experience.

I've never been beeped at for stopping to let a person cross the road whether at a zebra crossing or not. I've seen some drivers (rarely) keep driving through a zebra crossing when it was obvious that a person was likely to use a zebra crossing (but they don't have to technically, and is just bad manners). However, I can't remember a driver ever continuing through a zebra crossing once a pedestrian had started to cross.

I find the OPs assertion bizzare.

fricatus · 18-05-2019 07:45AM

Danger781 wrote: »

Considering you have dash cam footage, and a witness to everything that happened, I really believe you should be reporting that man. He sounds like a danger to pedestrians if he doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of a zebra crossing, and a danger to other motorists if he nearly went into the back of you in what I assume is a 50km zone. Also his aggressive threatening behavior should not be tolerated. I would be pretty confident that isn't the first time he's done something like that.

If the guards do nothing about it so be it, but at least you've done your due diligence.

Yeah, don’t assume the Guards will do nothing. I rang in a similar incidence of dangerous driving to Traffic Watch, and I had a guard on the phone later that evening asking me for my first-hand view. I didn’t want to make anything of it but the guard offered to give the guy a bollocking over the phone, which was more than enough to keep me happy. I suspect he relished the prospect too - beats paperwork!

Sounds like your friend there could do with a similar dressing down on the three counts: inattention, ignorance of the law, and threatening/abusive behaviour.

TCM · 18-05-2019 08:12AM

TuringBot47 wrote:

"Snowflakes"? possibly, but clearly they were clueless individuals with no real life experience. Reporting a farmer who gave them work experience to help their career is ridiculous. Maybe they should learn a little more about their chosen profession.

Crock Rock wrote:

He roared, "I nearly went into the ****ing back of you, we have right of way on the road, the pedestrians have to wait" ... I kept saying that we have to yield to pedestrians at yellow beacons but he kept getting angrier and angrier and saying how he'll smash the windows in and to come out and face him like a grown up. He said "he'll smash me up including the skank there" (a girl I work with I was giving a lift home to).

You should have taken his car number and reported him to the gardai.

PauloMN · 18-05-2019 08:33AM

I can't believe you didn't report him for threatening behaviour, especially when you have both front and rear dashcam footage which would show the entire incident in context, presumably also with sound.

I'd go as far as to say it's your duty to report him, as he sounds like a complete loony and needs to at least be told by the guards that his behaviour is completely unacceptable.

The guards will definitely not "do nothing" in that case.

Stoner · 18-05-2019 08:41AM

Crock Rock wrote:

Could be a myth, but you may be right, still, the majority of motorists would probably still plough on.

No the poster is correct. A pedestrian is to signal that they are going to use the zevra crossing by putting one foot out and waiting for cars to stop.

Pawwed Rig · 18-05-2019 08:44AM

Crock Rock wrote: »

Thanks that's what I though. I always notice in Ireland that motorists expext pdestrians to yield to them and wait for traffic to break.

I have never experienced that to be honest. Always found that once you put a foot on the road that the traffic will stop.

Blueshoe · 18-05-2019 09:30AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The ignorant prick should have been far enough back that he wouldn't go into you regardless.
He is in completely the wrong if you were at a flashing pedestrian crossing anyhow.
Report him for road rage for sure! Might calm him down a bit!

Report him for roadrage. Who would the op tell? His mammy?

selectamatic · 18-05-2019 12:42PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Is the bump ok?

I think so but unfortunately it didn't work.

Seth Brundle · 18-05-2019 12:56PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Report him for roadrage. Who would the op tell? His mammy?

Very mature response :rolleyes:

whiskeyman · 18-05-2019 01:02PM

Worth reposting this - always be sure you let kids know to wait before crossing that cars in both direction have stopped to allow you to cross.

This young girl has good sense... and many drivers do not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg69a4p_mn8

Dr Turk Turkelton · 18-05-2019 01:07PM

19-05-2019 04:16PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Worth reposting this - always be sure you let kids know to wait before crossing that cars in both direction have stopped to allow you to cross.

This young girl has good sense... and many drivers do not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg69a4p_mn8

The car was so far back he might have just been waiting for her to step out and cross and then assumed she didn’t want to cross. She could have crossed before he reached the crossing no way on earth I’d have stood there and not crossed with the approaching car so far away.

punisher5112 · 19-05-2019 04:59PM

Felix Scrawny Fries wrote: »

The car was so far back he might have just been waiting for her to step out and cross and then assumed she didn’t want to cross. She could have crossed before he reached the crossing no way on earth I’d have stood there and not crossed with the approaching car so far away.

Kid was taught well, some aren't great with spacial awareness or distance reading either....

The thing that really gets me is the pedestrian that makes no effort to show their intentions to cross and are walking away or towards you and suddenly change corse and especially those that don't even make it to the actual crossing and go for it.

Cerco · 19-05-2019 05:11PM

Stoner wrote: »

No the poster is correct. A pedestrian is to signal that they are going to use the zevra crossing by putting one foot out and waiting for cars to stop.

This is correct.
However, if you chose to stop then cars following must be at a safe distance from you to stop without issue. So the other driver was both wrong and irrational in their behavior.

Seth Brundle · 19-05-2019 06:36PM

Out of curiosity, which Act or SI means that pedestrians have to place a foot out at a zebra crossing?

The closest I could find is an SI from 1964 and it doesn't mention it...
S.I. No. 294/1964 - Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964.

22 (9) A driver approaching a zebra crossing shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian on the crossing.

38 (2) When a vehicle is approaching a zebra crossing a pedestrian shall not step on to that crossing if his action is likely to cause the driver either to brake suddenly or to swerve.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

CelticRambler · 19-05-2019 06:59PM

Felix Scrawny Fries wrote: »

The car was so far back he might have just been waiting for her to step out and cross and then assumed she didn’t want to cross. She could have crossed before he reached the crossing no way on earth I’d have stood there and not crossed with the approaching car so far away.

The girl is running (towards the camera-car, towards the crossing), passes a black SUV that's travelling in the same direction, i.e. towards the crossing. She gets to the crossing, now the SUV has stopped, put on its hazard lights and is reversing into a parking space, so that's legitimate WTF? moment for her. Now she looks left, sees the camera car has slowed/stopped. When she looks back, the SUV has not completed its reversing manoeuvre and is blocking her clear view of the road, but maybe she can see the lights of another oncoming car through the windows. Lot of distortion and obstruction on her righthand side, second legitimate WTF? moment. Chances are the beige/gold SUV was concentrating on the movements of the black SUV and didn't even see her, and obviously wasn't prepared to stop, so a perfectly good call on her part.

Cerco · 19-05-2019 07:58PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Out of curiosity, which Act or SI means that pedestrians have to place a foot out at a zebra crossing?

The closest I could find is an SI from 1964 and it doesn't mention it...
S.I. No. 294/1964 - Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

You have answered your own question. “On the crossing”.
To be on the crossing you must at least have a foot on it.

Marcusm · 19-05-2019 08:39PM

Stoner wrote: »

No the poster is correct. A pedestrian is to signal that they are going to use the zevra crossing by putting one foot out and waiting for cars to stop.

Do you want to give a citation for that? It’s not required under the relevant regs made under RTA.

pablo128 · 19-05-2019 08:55PM

Crock Rock wrote: »

I have two, one facing forwards and one back.

I didn't report it, nor will I.

I expect nothing to come of it, no point so.

I was in a road rage incident a couple of months ago. A guy cut into my lane and immediately slammed on the brakes. I beeped, he drove on and brake tested me a couple of times and then made a wanker sign out of his open drivers window.

He bottled it at the next red light, though. I can tell you that his door was locked and his window fully up and he didn't seem as keen to engage with me. That's all I'll say.

The Gardai arrived at the door the following evening. I wasn't there but I spoke to the Garda on the phone and gave my version of events. She told me not to worry about it as it was my word against his.

But.... she perked up a bit when I told her I caught the whole thing on my dashcam. I told her if she wanted, I had no problem showing her the footage. By her tone, I gathered the other lad had given a different account of what happened. She did say she would be ringing him back.

Having said that, I never heard any more about it. But it might still be worth reporting him to cool his jets a bit.

punisher5112 · 19-05-2019 10:02PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I was in a road rage incident a couple of months ago. A guy cut into my lane and immediately slammed on the brakes. I beeped, he drove on and brake tested me a couple of times and then made a wanker sign out of his open drivers window.

He bottled it at the next red light, though. I can tell you that his door was locked and his window fully up and he didn't seem as keen to engage with me. That's all I'll say.

The Gardai arrived at the door the following evening. I wasn't there but I spoke to the Garda on the phone and gave my version of events. She told me not to worry about it as it was my word against his.

But.... she perked up a bit when I told her I caught the whole thing on my dashcam. I told her if she wanted, I had no problem showing her the footage. By her tone, I gathered the other lad had given a different account of what happened. She did say she would be ringing him back.

Having said that, I never heard any more about it. But it might still be worth reporting him to cool his jets a bit.

Had a taxi do similar...

He hit me in my side and tried to push me to the ground..... Let's say he wasn't best pleased how it turned out for him or his face....

cena · 20-05-2019 12:20AM

yes you stop at a zebra crossing and wait till they have fully crossed over

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 20-05-2019 01:12AM

report that f*cking c*nt

Zatoichi · 20-05-2019 05:30AM

Lots of videos of American plains clothes police catching people ploughing through pedestrian crossings. The ignorant outrage out of some of them when they get done is amazing.

Borderfox · 20-05-2019 05:37AM

I have had quite a few close calls when using Zebra crossings (drivers ignoring them) One occurrence where the driver stopped on the crossing in front of me (no traffic other than them) and wondered why my fist came in the window towards them.

Its just another example of distracted drivers

con___manx1 · 20-05-2019 06:02AM

You were in the right 100 percent op if he nearly drove into the back of you it would have been his fault if he did.

Isambard · 20-05-2019 08:06AM

the thing is about zebra's is that they are just normal intersections and the normal decency should prevail. Noone has a right of way just because they are a car driver, in fact it should be that pedestrians have right of way at all times, after all we are all pedestrians at some stage.

Stopping at zebra crossings

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