Farmer decries "snowflake" veterinary students

markodaly · 16-05-2019 03:11PM

ganmo wrote: »

what nonsense are we uppity about in this case?

Well for one millennial's, snowflakes or vegans are attacking rural Ireland and trying to destroy a way of life. Nonsense like that.

Farmers are the biggest moan bags in Ireland yet rural Ireland bleeds the rest of the country dry when it comes to funding.

whisky_galore · 16-05-2019 03:11PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Oh completely but also quite upsetting for the vet I would imagine so if they are crying from an animal being shouted at then I would wonder if they are in the right job.

Agricultural veterinary is a tough station, getting sprayed with sh1t and piss. Real risk of injury, possibility of getting a kicking or a crushing.

Maybe they'd be better off treating kitties and guinea pigs.

endainoz · 16-05-2019 03:16PM

My god there is some serious misinformation going around here. Apparently shouting at animals is abusive, even though an inspection had to be carried out which they passed no problem.

Another misinformed opinion is that a 'farmer bailout' is on the way. Ah actually no it isn't. That's targeted at beef farmers who were getting better prices for their produce 25 years ago and have been dictated a price set by supermarkets and factories. If your job went back to mid 90s wages, you'd be a bit upset too.

Nothing to do with veganism or people not eating meat. We have new export markets opening all the time. So sorry vegans, it doesn't really fit into your narrative that everybody is seeing the light that meat is bad. Let people make up their own, I have no issue with someone that doesn't eat meat anymore.

Also there are only a few pig operations in the country, as far as I'm aware, they don't get subsidized like other farming enterprises.

People also here continuously saying that these pigs were mistreated by shouting and that farmers don't care about their animals.

If we didn't care about our animals, we wouldn't be farming. The sense on satisfaction I get from seeing a new born calf arrive unassisted is huge for me, when things are going well it's the best job in the world. It's just a pity we don't get a fair price for our produce.

Ave Sodalis · 16-05-2019 03:18PM

_Brian wrote:

Excellent Now weâ€™re on to imagining worse things the nasty farmer was actually doing but nobody said he was.

I'm actually basing this on when I was in college, we put in a complaint as a class that led to a lecturer being fired. It was a very serious complaint, and it turns out 3 of the 4 other years put in a complaint too. The lecturer was lucky the worst affected students didn't press further and bring the lecturer to court. Limerick Leader got hold of the story, and twisted it to sound like it was a non-issue and we were all just snowflakes.

I do know that people get the short end of the stick. I work with horses, which sends PETA followers into a tizzy, but I've learned not to fully believe news articles either.

Ave Sodalis · 16-05-2019 03:21PM

ganmo wrote:

the "not an isolated incident" refers to farmers refusing to take on vets with no knowledge of farming.

Sorry, I completely misread that so

jmayo · 16-05-2019 03:21PM

riffmongous wrote: »

What a bizarre rant, where did the mnc part come from?

You find that a huge chunk of people in this country today are actually thinking we can do without farming and can seriously curtail it.
These same ones will probably tell you how agri is now such a small percentage of our exports.
Hell I even saw a representative body member launch into this spiel when on as a guest panelist on a British current affairs show filmed here in Ireland about effects of Brexit.

Some people believe we are great when in fact most of our export revenue is solely down to FDI and MNCs based here most likely due to tax reasons.
And which could up sticks in the morning as others have done in the past.

Agri sector can't up sticks and is primarily Irish owned.

And you will often find the numpties that are leading the charge for less meat, get rid of the animals, remove the people from the countryside are the ones working for said MNCs.

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:21PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I'm actually basing this on when I was in college, we put in a complaint as a class that led to a lecturer being fired. It was a very serious complaint, and it turns out 3 of the 4 other years put in a complaint too. The lecturer was lucky the worst affected students didn't press further and bring the lecturer to court. Limerick Leader got hold of the story, and twisted it to sound like it was a non-issue and we were all just snowflakes.

I do know that people get the short end of the stick. I work with horses, which sends PETA followers into a tizzy, but I've learned not to fully believe news articles either.

So again you’ve no evidence just imagining based on some college experience.

tabby aspreme · 16-05-2019 03:22PM

Is Pig Whispering a thing.

Thelonious Monk · 16-05-2019 03:22PM

endainoz wrote: »

It's just a pity we don't get a fair price for our produce.

Why do you do it if you can’t make a living from it?

Ave Sodalis · 16-05-2019 03:23PM

_Brian wrote:

So again youâ€™ve no evidence just imagining based on some college experience.

Experience with what?

I didn't say it was definitely the case, I meant not to believe it is always just the way the news reports.

topper75 · 16-05-2019 03:25PM

I like vegan snowflakes for the same reason I like the gay lads:
More for me.

gozunda · 16-05-2019 03:27PM

markodaly wrote: »

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Farmers are the biggest moan bags in Ireland yet rural Ireland bleeds the rest of the country dry when it comes to funding.

A stated before it's amazing how practically everyone of these discussions desends into 'attack de farmer'. Should be charged for promotional space at this stage considering the regularity :pac:

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:30PM

if anyone wants to improve the life of abused neglected animals in Ireland the best place to start is with family pets.
The numbers of calls the ISPCA deal with for pets is multidudes the numbers of any incidents reported in farm animals. That’s where the animal abuse happens in Ireland.

Again and again people have to be told. Animal farming success is based on the health and welfare of animals, animals that are abused and neglected don’t thrive and don’t have a hope of making any money. Often farmers look after their animals better then themselves.

It’s a complete mistruth that all farmers abuse their animals, in the whole farming is about caring for and nurturing animals to reach their full potential. Saying anything else is just being a liar.

Because of the numbers involved there will always be bad apples, I’ve worked on hundreds of farms in my time and it’s an absolute minority where something wrong is happening and I’ve reported occasional cases where I felt things weren’t right.

But the % of farm animals mistreated is minuscule compared to family pets.

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:32PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Is Pig Whispering a thing.

Never heard ours whisper.

weldoninhio · 16-05-2019 03:34PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Nope people like to talk about these non existent vegans going around telling everyone they’re vegan but from what I can see it’s snowflake meat eaters scared of change making all the noise

https://www.google.com/search?q=vegans+invade+restaurant&rlz=1C1GCEU_enIE821IE821&oq=vegans+invade+&aqs=chrome.3.0j69i57j0l4.4191j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thelonious Monk · 16-05-2019 03:36PM

gozunda wrote: »

A stated before it's amazing how practically everyone of these discussions desends into 'attack de farmer'. Should be charged for promotional space at this stage considering the regularity :pac:

Why do you do this de farmer bastewards thing? Why not just type real words?

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.google.com/search?q=vegans+invade+restaurant&rlz=1C1GCEU_enIE821IE821&oq=vegans+invade+&aqs=chrome.3.0j69i57j0l4.4191j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

These cowards in Waterford outside a butcher shop.
They were intimidating elderly ladies in doing their shopping.

Nothing but cowards hiding their faces through shame .

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/waterford-butcher-hits-back-at-intimidating-vegan-protest/

meeeeh · 16-05-2019 03:39PM

A friend of mine studied to be a vet 20 years ago. He mentioned how lecturers were complaining people choose to study veterinary because they like nice little fluffy animals and are completely unprepared for what being a vet entails.

As for vegans, I was having a dinner in a restaurant recently. The only person whose wood choices the whole restaurant heard was a vegan. We all found about 30 seconds after they arrived when waitress was handing them a menu. It was funny because he was talking a lot louder than the other two at the same table.

endainoz · 16-05-2019 03:40PM

Thelonious Monk wrote:

Why do you do it if you canâ€™t make a living from it?

At times this can be a difficult question to answer, so many say that it's not worth it and to get out of it etc. But the short answer is because most of us love doing it, job satisfaction is important to me. I'm happy to live in the country not in a city paying crazy rent, I'm happy to work outside and not be stuck in an unhealthy office, I'm also happy to see birds tweeting first sign of spring, to see bees flying around the place this time of year.

I'd take all that over an office job any day. That being said, most of us have to get a separate job to compliment income.

whisky_galore · 16-05-2019 03:41PM

markodaly wrote: »

Well for one millennial's, snowflakes or vegans are attacking rural Ireland and trying to destroy a way of life. Nonsense like that.

Farmers are the biggest moan bags in Ireland yet rural Ireland bleeds the rest of the country dry when it comes to funding.

Would you rather rural Ireland be turned into ranch type farming, or a depopulated wasteland? Or a theme park with thatched cottages for the enjoyment of city folks? Would you rather your food be shipped in from Brazil or Israel ?

Varta · 16-05-2019 03:42PM

I'm surprised it took so long for this to become an issue. A vet friend with over forty years' experience told me that it is becoming increasingly difficult to source vets to do farm work and almost impossible to get vets to do abattoir work. The reason being that most vet students enrol with a plan to do small animal practice. Plus, most vet graduates these days are women and they don't want the heavy lifting of farm veterinary and certainly don't want abattoir work. Check your local small animal veterinary clinic. Mine has five vets in the practice - all women. A similar problem exists in human medicine. Most graduates are women and not enough of them go on to become surgeons or consultants. The root of both of these problems lies in our second level system where girls score better in the Leaving Cert. Because most boys mature mentally later than girls, it is often only after the Leaving Cert that they realise that they should have worked harder in school. Perhaps the solution would be to create more post-grad and mature student places in veterinary and Medical colleges.

Billy86 · 16-05-2019 03:45PM

_Brian wrote: »

Raising your voice and creating a commotion is a great way to move them along without having to interfere with them physically.

What ever could you mean? Making noise never work for herding anim....

...oh.

Thelonious Monk · 16-05-2019 03:46PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Would you rather rural Ireland be turned into ranch type farming, or a depopulated wasteland? Or a theme park with thatched cottages for the enjoyment of city folks? Would you rather your food be shipped in from Brazil or Israel ?

Maybe somewhere that mostly makes food to feed it’s population and doesn’t export the vast majority of its beef.

Assetbacked · 16-05-2019 03:46PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Would you rather rural Ireland be turned into ranch type farming, or a depopulated wasteland? Or a theme park with thatched cottages for the enjoyment of city folks? Would you rather your food be shipped in from Brazil or Israel ?

Approximately 90% of beef produced in Ireland is exported so we are either producing far in excess of our needs or else importing more than you are having us believe.

The alternative is not for rural wastelands but for crops including vegetables, wheat etc and, where I see the biggest opportunity in the short to medium term, cannibas.

The argument about ethical versus less ethical rearing of farmed animals is somewhat irrelevant as the animal ends up being slaughtered anyway just to eat it.

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:50PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

The argument about ethical versus less ethical rearing of farmed animals is somewhat irrelevant as the animal ends up being slaughtered anyway just to eat it.

Nothing wrong with slaughter of animals for eating.
What, would you have us eat them alive ?

Your a total Monster!

ganmo · 16-05-2019 03:51PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Approximately 90% of beef produced in Ireland is exported so we are either producing far in excess of our needs or else importing more than you are having us believe.

The alternative is not for rural wastelands but for crops including vegetables, wheat etc and, where I see the biggest opportunity in the short to medium term, cannibas.

The argument about ethical versus less ethical rearing of farmed animals is somewhat irrelevant as the animal ends up being slaughtered anyway just to eat it.

A vegetables are only suited to certain soil types and geographys, like beside the sea to avoid frosts
b wheat doesn't grow well in ireland due to our damp climate
c Cannibis is currently illeagal to grow and what would we do if we did grown it? exporting is frowned upon it seems
d guess what does grow well grass!!

but I feel we're getting off topic from snowflake vets

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:53PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Maybe somewhere that mostly makes food to feed it’s population and doesn’t export the vast majority of its beef.

Why not.
Intel export 100% of what they make, get plenty of government subsidies, heck the government even tried to steal land from a farmer to give them.

Beef is a good product to export, not live export though we should process 100% and export as sides of beef.

Cienciano · 16-05-2019 03:56PM

endainoz wrote: »

If we didn't care about our animals, we wouldn't be farming. The sense on satisfaction I get from seeing a new born calf arrive unassisted is huge for me, when things are going well it's the best job in the world. It's just a pity we don't get a fair price for our produce.

I know a few farmers, I've worked on farms and I can safely say, that's bollocks. Fair enough if you want to speak for yourself, but a lot of farmers see their animals as assets and that's it. Birth going well or an animal getting sick isn't amazing because it's easier on the animal, it's great cos it won't cost more money. Nothing wrong with that imho, but don't pretend you're in it for the animals

whisky_galore · 16-05-2019 03:56PM

ganmo wrote: »

A vegetables are only suited to certain soil types and geographys, like beside the sea to avoid frosts
b wheat doesn't grow well in ireland due to our damp climate
c Cannibis is currently illeagal to grow and what would we do if we did grown it? exporting is frowned upon it seems
d guess what does grow well grass!!

but I feel we're getting off topic from snowflake vets

Lads like Assetbacked on this thread have a little herb garden, some potted cacti and a lawn and they're experts on tillage all of a sudden.

16-05-2019 03:59PM

I could ****ing murder some sausages right now.

Farmer decries "snowflake" veterinary students

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