Farmer decries "snowflake" veterinary students

jmayo · 16-05-2019 02:21PM

Those would be vets are in for one rude awakening if they ever have to work in a meat factory.

Watch the media now for concerted efforts from some to throw Irish farming under the bus.
There is already those out moaning that Irish farmers may get something to make up for fact they are are possibly losing a huge chunk of their market due to Brexit.

Then you have the fookers trying to solve our carbon emisions by basically axing the animal herds.
They will remove the livelihoods of thousands of farmers and thus ending the only real indigenous industry we truly excel at and that we are world leaders.
And in world terms we are one of the most environmentally friendly at the rearing of animals.

At the same time a lot of these fooking numpties will be jetting off for weekends away, jetting off for post leaving cert or post college exams party weeks in sun-drenched water scare areas.

Maybe people need to be reminded that without all those low tax multinational companies we wouldn't really have a pot to pi** in.
And as has happened in the past those companies will up sticks and move on when it suits them.

is_that_so · 16-05-2019 02:22PM

_Brian wrote: »

People who never handle animals have no idea.
Raising your voice and creating a commotion is a great way to move them along without having to interfere with them physically.

Yeah they do it in schools with kids too. Terrible practice!

blanch152 · 16-05-2019 02:23PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/farmers-refusing-to-take-on-snowflake-vet-students-38116824.html

Now I think Shane has a valid point in that there is a disconnect to farming from those that eat meat. However, this should really be a warning shot to him as an animal farmer that maybe people would not be so keen to eat meat if they were less-disconnected in that people appreciated fully the process from farm to fork.

He describes compassionate veterinary students as being "snowflakes" for not liking how pig farmers spoke to the pigs being reared which is a little bit funny and perhaps hypocritical as the main reason people eat cows and pigs instead of dogs and cats is down to societal norms.

Coupled with the announcement of a farming bailout, it would appear that the tide is going out on the animal farming industry https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/big-phils-100m-election-bailout-for-leo-38117362.html

You obviously haven't tasted cats and dogs if you believe it is only down to societal norms.

South Korea still farms dogs for eating if you are interested in trying it for a change.

Utter Consternation · 16-05-2019 02:26PM

_Brian wrote: »

People who never handle animals have no idea.
Raising your voice and creating a commotion is a great way to move them along without having to interfere with them physically.

I’d rather that than a lad polling the crap out of them with sticks.

But you might hurt their feelings!!! :mad:

partyguinness · 16-05-2019 02:30PM

The most surprising aspect of this is that people speak to pigs.

Do they speak back?

ganmo · 16-05-2019 02:32PM

partyguinness wrote: »

The most surprising aspect of this is that people speak to pigs.

Do they speak back?

ya but they only told porkies

gozunda · 16-05-2019 02:33PM

ganmo wrote: »

Shane McAuliffe is also a qualified vet, so its not just any old kerry farmer

Plus the article linked above details about the UCD professor who is also saying the same thing about students - many who seem to believe being a vet is all about bunnies and bambies...

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/agri-food/ucd-professor-reports-students-mortified-by-farm-visits-38066599.html

Assetbacked · 16-05-2019 02:34PM

ganmo wrote: »

This comes after this article too further showing the disconnect between farm and fork https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/agri-food/ucd-professor-reports-students-mortified-by-farm-visits-38066599.html

"“The aggressive campaigns out there that say ‘clean up your arteries and go vegan’ is what the public is being bombarded with and those signs are on every bus shelter in Dublin. We need to counteract that message."

I love this - being told to eat more vegetables needs to be counteracted!

ganmo · 16-05-2019 02:40PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"“The aggressive campaigns out there that say ‘clean up your arteries and go vegan’ is what the public is being bombarded with and those signs are on every bus shelter in Dublin. We need to counteract that message."

I love this - being told to eat more vegetables needs to be counteracted!

ya might want to read up on the person who said that before you dismiss it out of hand

gozunda · 16-05-2019 02:42PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"“The aggressive campaigns out there that say ‘clean up your arteries and go vegan’ is what the public is being bombarded with and those signs are on every bus shelter in Dublin. We need to counteract that message."I love this - being told to eat more vegetables needs to be counteracted!

Nice disconnect btw

No it's the bs message that all de nasty farmers are abusing and betraying animals. and meat is actually nuclear waste or whatever..

People can eat what they want. They dont need extremist plant food activists sponsored billboards and every other thread telling them that 'meat is baaaaaad'. It would be funny at this stage if it wasn't practically every other day

16-05-2019 02:48PM

jmayo wrote: »

Those would be vets are in for one rude awakening if they ever have to work in a meat factory.

Watch the media now for concerted efforts from some to throw Irish farming under the bus.
There is already those out moaning that Irish farmers may get something to make up for fact they are are possibly losing a huge chunk of their market due to Brexit.

Then you have the fookers trying to solve our carbon emisions by basically axing the animal herds.
They will remove the livelihoods of thousands of farmers and thus ending the only real indigenous industry we truly excel at and that we are world leaders.
And in world terms we are one of the most environmentally friendly at the rearing of animals.

At the same time a lot of these fooking numpties will be jetting off for weekends away, jetting off for post leaving cert or post college exams party weeks in sun-drenched water scare areas.

Maybe people need to be reminded that without all those low tax multinational companies we wouldn't really have a pot to pi** in.
And as has happened in the past those companies will up sticks and move on when it suits them.

What a bizarre rant, where did the mnc part come from?

Assetbacked · 16-05-2019 02:49PM

ganmo wrote: »

ya might want to read up on the person who said that before you dismiss it out of hand

An author that says admitting you like small animals was like admitting you were gay, when he was in college! Horses and cattle are his specialty, of course he is not going to advocate against the farming industry https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/memories-of-vet-college-are-pure-happiness-recalls-patrick-wall-1.148258

irishguitarlad · 16-05-2019 02:51PM

This Mccauliffe fella is the same guy that had that sensationalist video on meats coming from other countries. Anything he says or does I'd take with a pinch of salt.

Squatter · 16-05-2019 02:52PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Nope people like to talk about these non existent vegans going around telling everyone they’re vegan but from what I can see it’s snowflake meat eaters scared of change making all the noise

But your vegan lifestyle allied to your favourite recreational activity has probably played havoc with your eyesight.

Let's give it a try: how many fingers am I holding up?

Squatter · 16-05-2019 02:52PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

This Mccauliffe fella is the same guy that had that sensationalist video on meats coming from other countries. Anything he says or does I'd take with a pinch of salt.

Good call! Pig meat tastes far better with a large pinch of salt.

TuringBot47 · 16-05-2019 02:53PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Anything he says or does I'd take with a pinch of salt.

Ham is already salty.

Lady Haywire · 16-05-2019 02:53PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

An author that says admitting you like small animals was like admitting you were gay, when he was in college! Horses and cattle are his specialty, of course he is not going to advocate against the farming industry https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/memories-of-vet-college-are-pure-happiness-recalls-patrick-wall-1.148258

He's the CEO of the Food Safety Authority. Nice skimming of the article there.

gozunda · 16-05-2019 02:54PM

riffmongous wrote: »

What a bizarre rant, where did the mnc part come from?

I reckon the comment is actually a perfect foil to the opening gambit of this thread tbh. But there we go...

Assetbacked · 16-05-2019 02:55PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

He's the CEO of the Food Safety Authority. Nice skimming of the article there.

So he has influence in the area of food policy but clearly has a massive bias.

ganmo · 16-05-2019 02:57PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

An author that says admitting you like small animals was like admitting you were gay, when he was in college! Horses and cattle are his specialty, of course he is not going to advocate against the farming industry https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/memories-of-vet-college-are-pure-happiness-recalls-patrick-wall-1.148258

where did you see that? its not in the article you linked - edit:reread it and found it
full list of specialities are below

He qualified in Veterinary Medicine in University College Dublin http://www.ucd.ie/medicine/,in Human Medicine in Royal College of Surgeons of Ireland https://www.rcsi.com/dublin/, has an MSc in Infectious Diseases from University of London and an MBA from the Michael Smurfit School of Business UCD and a Diploma in Corporate Governance from the UCD Centre of Corporate Governance. He is a member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons in the UK https://www.rcvs.org.uk/home/ and a Diplomat of the European College of Veterinary Public Health. https://ecvph.org. He is a Fellow of IUFoST, the international Union of Food Science and Technology.

https://people.ucd.ie/patrick.wall

ganmo · 16-05-2019 02:58PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

So he has influence in the area of food policy but clearly has a massive bias.

bias or knowledge...:rolleyes:

markodaly · 16-05-2019 02:58PM

Farmers are reminding me of Fundamentalist Christians from ten years ago.

People question some of their nonsense and they get all upity and upset and think their rights are being trampled on.

gozunda · 16-05-2019 02:59PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

This Mccauliffe fella is the same guy that had that sensationalist video on meats coming from other countries. Anything he says or does I'd take with a pinch of salt.

Argument gone pearshaped? Quick on with some character assassination! :rolleyes:

Or else - discussion? Fuk that! Lets attack a farmer - barstewards!!!!

ganmo · 16-05-2019 03:00PM

markodaly wrote: »

Farmers are reminding me of Fundamentalist Christians from ten years ago.

People question some of their nonsense and they get all upity and upset and think their rights are being trampled on.

what nonsense are we uppity about in this case?

Cienciano · 16-05-2019 03:01PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Question I'd like to know is: were the vets veggie/vegan?

If so, then why did they go to a business where animals are bred for slaughter for work esperience?
If not, then how are they going to react then the animals are killed?

The question I'd like to ask is: Did this actually happen? I suspect the answer is no.

Ave Sodalis · 16-05-2019 03:01PM

If this is not an isolated case of students complaining about his animal handling skills, you do have to wonder if students are snowflakes, or if saying it was only shouting was a bit of a lie. One or two, yeah it's probably idiot students, but several makes you think there might be more to it.

jam_mac_jam · 16-05-2019 03:07PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

There's a difference though between putting an animal down and being injured while being on a farm. Putting it down is most likely in its best interests, to ease suffering for example. Treating an injured farm animal is just prolonging its life before its gratuitous slaughter for food.

Oh completely but also quite upsetting for the vet I would imagine so if they are crying from an animal being shouted at then I would wonder if they are in the right job.

Lady Haywire · 16-05-2019 03:08PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

If this is not an isolated case of students complaining about his animal handling skills, you do have to wonder if students are snowflakes, or if saying it was only shouting was a bit of a lie. One or two, yeah it's probably idiot students, but several makes you think there might be more to it.

The article doesn't actually say it occurred on a pig farm belonging to Shane, it actually happened in Cork. So nothing whatsoever to do with him only he seems to be a spokesperson for pig farming in Ireland. Definitely passionate about it.

_Brian · 16-05-2019 03:09PM

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

If this is not an isolated case of students complaining about his animal handling skills, you do have to wonder if students are snowflakes, or if saying it was only shouting was a bit of a lie. One or two, yeah it's probably idiot students, but several makes you think there might be more to it.

Excellent
Now we’re on to imagining worse things the nasty farmer was actually doing but nobody said he was.

Since were making shiit up, I heard Vegans are all “weaklings”

ganmo · 16-05-2019 03:10PM

the "not an isolated incident" refers to farmers refusing to take on vets with no knowledge of farming.
I know of farmers who took in vet students a few times but stopped fairly quickly

anyone that has ever moved pigs knows that they can be very frustrating and making noise is the best way to get them moving

Farmer decries "snowflake" veterinary students

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