"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 5 "The bells" - Spoilers post 2 forward

turbbo wrote: »

Anybody else wondering how one dragon that had been so crap in previous episodes(in winterfell we could barely see a flame). Has the ability to breathe not just fire now but full on explosives?

At Winterfell, they were fighting at night, hampered by a supernatural ice storm, distracted by an undead dragon and versus creatures that are immune to fear and panic. They still did plenty of damage to the Army of the Dead and flamed swathes of it as it charged the walls.

At KL, Drogon attacked in broad daylight, in perfect, clear conditions and with a firm battle plan. He attacked an army that had the sun in its eyes, on the first approach at least, and that was very much human and panicked readily.

I see how a Dragon(s) would be more effective at KL than at Winterfell.

Enjoyed the spectacle and most of the episode but it was ruined by the sudden ability of the dragon to carry out a ballistic attack to destroy 20 foot tick city walls when it couldn’t burn through a rock earlier in the show or indeed a mud and stone hut when Arya was hiding behind it (unless she is dead, it was notable that the scene on the horse was about the only scene with no other people in it).
Also, I can’t understand why, once again, a defending army was positioned outside the city walls with no protection. I did like the pillaging of the city and the lack of control by the attacking army – this is historically very accurate in such situations. I liked the end for Jamie and Cersei – not all powerful people die great deaths – William the conqueror died because he was so fat his saddle pommel cut through his belly.
As for next week, I thought it was unclear if the northern army rear-guard had arrived when the battle started. They had mentioned to Jon Snow upon arrival in Kings landing that the rear guard was a day away. Perhaps some of the other characters form the will arrive with that army.
At the end of Hamlet, Fortinbras, a foreign prince with no other part in the play, rocks up and takes over the Kingdom. If it’s good enough for Shakespeare its good enough for D & D. I predict that, after all main characters and the dragon die the new prince of Dorne will arrive to take over and piss everyone off :-)

Honestly, I think the whole thing could have been saved by simply going for the full 10 episodes instead of 6.

Things have been rushed, which is leading to confusion and debates.

Dany's madness has been hinted at over the years, but very rarely fully shown. Because of that, we're seeing a lot of blow back on it now.

There has been dozens of little hints over the years, and some larger ones too, but the sudden absolute destruction of thousands of people was insanity. I knew it would happen, but I wish it was done a bit better from a character point of view.

Jaime going back to Cersei made absolute sense. Jaime has always said he absolutely loves her, and she is his weakness.

bigslice wrote: »

Reference was made to Dany not eating and whatever been asked couldn’t have been completed as a result, the child worked in the kitchens.

Can therefore be suggested that Varys using his little birds to
Poison Dany as a last resort, he knew he was been watched.

Also emphasized the point he was plotting against her and didn’t want to reveal the extent of this by burning the evidence already knowing his faith.

My guess is that Sansa was his contact and he was plotting with her and the last episode will lead to this.

Maybe she's poisoned already?

Tazzimus wrote: »

Hulk smash!

I mean, Drogon smash!

eh it's a fantasy show guys

Just to counter the tsunami of negativity - I loved it this episode. A few of moments that stood out for me -

• Dany jumping to the conclusion that it was Jon who betrayed her - interesting!
• The last of Varys - lovely piece of acting from Conleth Hill (very underused in the last couple of series IMO)
• Tyrion attempting to speak to Jaime's guards in their language
• Tyrion and Jaime's final farewell - really touching
• Arya and Clegane entering King's Landing - "My name is Arya Stark and I'm here to kill the Queen" - "I'll have to ask the Captain"
• The final parting of Sandor Clegane and Arya - I'll miss this double act
• Cersei side-stepping the fighting Clegane Brothers - "I'll just leave you two to it"
• The final demise of Cersei and Jaime - great acting from them both - Lena Headey was brilliant.

Crib all you want (that's what Boards is for, after all) but it's been a magnificent series. We're all going to all miss it when it's over.

Deleted User wrote: »

I was really angry after watching it. Thought it was utter sh*te.
The main thing that's annoying me, is why isn't Arya using any of the skills she learned under the faceless men? I was really, really hoping Qyburn was going to be revealed as Arya. That would have been a fitting end to Jamie as well, having to duke it out with a Stark, protecting his sister.

I don't buy her listening to the hound either.

Hound, "You'll feel bad about killing"
ARYA, "But my sworn oath?"
Hound, "Did I stutter?"
Arya, "Ah yeah, alright. Seeya later"


At least there's only one more episode to watch.

Wasn't really "You'll feel bad about killing"
He didn't want her to become obsessed with revenge like he is and become him.
He knows he's not the most pleasant of people and has done some fairly horrible things, he doesn't want to see her go down the same path.

That much at least, was reasonably well done I thought

Deleted User wrote: »

I was really angry after watching it. Thought it was utter sh*te.
The main thing that's annoying me, is why isn't Arya using any of the skills she learned under the faceless men? I was really, really hoping Qyburn was going to be revealed as Arya. That would have been a fitting end to Jamie as well, having to duke it out with a Stark, protecting his sister.

I don't buy her listening to the hound either.

Hound, "You'll feel bad about killing"
ARYA, "But my sworn oath?"
Hound, "Did I stutter?"
Arya, "Ah yeah, alright. Seeya later"


At least there's only one more episode to watch.

I was disagreeing with everybody here on last weeks episode thinking it wasn't so bad, but this week it contradicts the previous 3 episodes by having the dragon do a complete u-turn on it's ability - now it's able to nuke the world whereas previously it was a glorified flame thrower.
It's hard to be enthusiastic about it anymore with inconsistencies between episodes never-mind seasons.

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Why would anyone watch a show for 8 seasons from beginning to end that they didn't like?

I would have binned it off after a few episodes or given it one season at most maybe.

I enjoyed some parts....

My view is overall I thought is was below average. Hugely overrated. It juts was ridiculously repetitive, with far too many pointless stories, and pointless OTT violence for the sake of it...it lacked depth and imagination. And had next to no human feel about it.....

Why did I continue watch it?

Well, my wife was wanting to see it through, and rather than be the anti social husband, I decided to keep with it.

Rubber_Soul wrote: »

Why are you watching it? Seems odd to invest 70+ hours of your life into a TV show you don't like.

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Effects wrote: »

Haven't got around to Borgen yet. Would a different actor have been able to play it better though, or did the director just keep telling him to push it over the top?

First two seasons are excellent, the third less so. To me it seemed like instructions from above and even the best of actors would have struggled, although Toby Stephens or Lee Pace strike me as good alternatives.