Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

This so called golden generation are getting on a bit and we could be in danger of losing some of these as demands are gone crazy with the retirement age lowering

By the start of next season Brick will be gone, Moran and Noel possibly too. Then we have a few older guys like SOK, Mahoneys, Fives nearing the end

Niallers87 wrote: »

Bit soon to be looking forward to next year already!!? This year isn't over yet

Basically is tbh unless we play blinders in the next few games

****ing new format and calendar

Motivator wrote: »

SOK is 28, Philip and Pauric are both under 28, Shane Fives 30 and Daragh Fives 28 I think. Hardly over the hill are they for Christ’s sake.

Retirement age is lowering in IC GAA

Motivator wrote: »

SOK is 28, Philip and Pauric are both under 28, Shane Fives 30 and Daragh Fives 28 I think. Hardly over the hill are they for Christ’s sake.

For Christ’s sake don’t take the bait. Just hit the ignore button and hope no one quotes a response so you don’t gave to read the tripe

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Deisefacts, looking back over your posts it is fairly clear that you are either Tom Flynn or one of his management team that earlier in the year resigned from being in charge of the county minor football team.
Your posts are full of bitterness towards the county board. Reality is they got the right people over the minor football team in the end and done better than expected as a result.
In another post you give out about them appointing Benji whelan, saying are they trying to kill football in Waterford. Well Benji is doing a great job so far.
We all like to give out about the county board and they are very amateurish at times but will you acknowledge the great job they did today.
Also look over at the Clare forum. High expectations for their minor team. Wasn't much between the two teams today. So Waterford are competing at minor level, much like last year's team who had some good results.
Time to lose the bitterness and show some positivity Tom.

This post is absolutely laughable, in all the horse **** I read on this forum over the last 4-5 years it’s up there!

Plus a few of the seniors would want to realise that the league is over, and decide if they want to play championship hurling, to me it was all attitude, going for balls at about 75% , as home, and we banging on about bringing summer hurling to Walsh Park, all everyone was talking about was how well the place looked, and it did, but you can put lipstick on a pig, and guess what its still a pig, tight pitch, too small, and Hurlers about 75% up for it, that is a nice Clare side, some lovely hurlers, but they were all bang up for it, we looked as if we were not sure how we should play, were still not too sure about where our Motivation was coming from, and deciding if we 'd had enough just before half time, it was cat, we won't beat Tipp, unless we catch them at their arrogant best, won't touch Limerick in Walsh Park, and it will be half empty, and Cork might have their ambition gone , Maybe by the time we get there[Cork always like playing Limerick, unless its Munster finals], i would not be killing the Management too much, maybe a few strange decisions re Barron, and how long they were looking at Bennett in the corner[should he be there?], and Kearney at centre forward, but from the Players, is that it?, all that training and nonsence, to not leave it all out there, crap stuff.

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

For Christ’s sake don’t take the bait. Just hit the ignore button and hope no one quotes a response so you don’t gave to read the tripe

Where is the ignore button, I can't see it on either mobile or desktop settings.

Would love to block out mr negativity as well...

Horseboxhead wrote: »

Minor Management getting some easy ride here, jesus that was turgid stuff, at home with the day set up for quick open hurling, we did our best to kill the game, we had a physically imposing half forward line, and kept hitting ball to our corner backs, our transition from back to front was so slow, it was a waste of time anyone making a run until the ball had passed through at least four or five players , and then we'd be swarmed by Clare [This Clare Minor team, like their seniors are nice but no world beaters], it was puke stuff, and i thought it killed the atmosphere, i have seen alot of these lads hurl , and we had alot of good hurlers , granted a few of them were subs, it was some ****e.

Most of ye know who i am, so it makes no odds, ill speak candidly & wont hide behind an anon name. The minor was very disappointing, totally over coached , trying too hard to be seen to be doing the "in vogue" hurling things - notably the clare puck out in second half zonal marking with hurleys up in the air!

as opposed to pushing up and forcing a contest down the middle, instead clare were much better drilled and worked the ball short and through the lines. At one point in the second half, after waterford burst their balls to get a score back and draw level, clare went, short puck out, handpass and go for return, handpass, handpass (support runs following up) handpass and a point - within 30 seconds, the sliotar was at least 70 yards from waterford goal before any tackle went in. It is completely coached out of the lads.

Our puckouts were aimless, sky scrapers coming down on top of lads a foot shorter then their man, and the extra clare half back sweeped up the break. We had big targets in the FF line but didnt utilise them.

Our backs did well, particularly impressed with Jack O Floinn & Furlong the CB (my first time seeing him) but the forwards were very poor - Aaron Ryan a lad iv a lot of time for, was very wild in his shot choice, totally panicked, this is where your coaching should kick in not this zonal marking BS, however he didnt shirk the issue and repeatedly took the bull by the horns.

Honestly it was very very poor. The attitude was right & the effort to match, but it was totally over complicated from the line from what i could see.

blueflame wrote: »

Would have to agree in general with comments on Minors. I felt our Half back line appeared to be more than capable of competing and winning more than their fair share of long ball, but still we persisted with allowing the Clare corner backs take repeated short puck-outs and work the ball forward through the lines. In my opinion we should have been pushing up and forcing them to go long with their puck-outs.

Interestingly, and especially at Senior level when our corner backs get short puck-outs, our first thought seems to be to carry it 10 yards and hit it down the line, as opposed to working hard to work it through the lines. It was noticeable on Sunday that every time Clare picked up a ball they swarmed forward with several runners sprinting ahead into space eager to take the ball whereas we tend to be waiting to see what will develop.

in defence of the seniors - it works a treat in most pitches but Walsh park is significantly tighter then the other fields, horses for courses and all that.

clare got it spot on with the big man small man combination up top, simple tactic, win it & horse it in, if you cant win the first ball, win the break. We definitely over complicated it a bit, but that said and it is an excuse i know, our better players, barron, bennetts, aussie, need space to play in & our impact players generally speed merchants the same - tommy ryan etc. that was obviously lacking in WP

I am sure we wont be well beaten sunday, we will be extremely competitive, as thurles brings the best out of our players, but it will be very difficult to get a result.

as a footnote, WP did look well sunday, my opinion is changing towards the place - but there are some obvious short comings - the size of the pitch is really the main one!! also - i was directly behind tommy ryans point in second half, id be almost 100% certain it was wide - about 2 ft wide interested if anyone else thought the same. The goals are too short in there too disaster waiting to happen!

deisedude wrote: »

Do you get off on negativity or what?

I know it wasn't a good performance but jesus you are OTT at times

No better man to retire players early than PTH.

blueflame wrote: »

Agree to some extent, but do feel we are a bit predictable in our approach. Alot spoken about how tight the pitch in Walsh Park is but according to measurements there is minimal difference between the majority of pitches. Most of them look much bigger because we are looking down on them from a height wheres in Walsh Park you are almost at ground level in the majority of the ground and there is very little room around the edges. Clare seemed to find plenty of space on Sunday, but i do think we need to remember that at the moment we are trying to change a style of play and that takes at time. at present we are getting caught between two stools.

About the height of the posts, i agree totally and actually commented on that last Sunday. I do think however that Ryan's point was over by the way as it curled quite a bit late on it its flight but it landed a good 20 yards behind the posts, and the majority of the curl happened in that distance.

I think this pitch dimension stuff is bollocks. Walsh park measures 146m x 81m wide using the measuring tool on google maps. Thurles measures 146m x 79m so it’s total horse **** talk about the ‘wide expanses’ of thurles. It may look /be perceived as wider as the stands and terraces are set back more but the playing surface is actually smaller than Walsh Park. Croke Park and park hi chaoimhe are wider measuring 86m but identical in length 145m for both....!

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Most of ye know who i am, so it makes no odds, ill speak candidly & wont hide behind an anon name. The minor was very disappointing, totally over coached , trying too hard to be seen to be doing the "in vogue" hurling things - notably the clare puck out in second half zonal marking with hurleys up in the air!

as opposed to pushing up and forcing a contest down the middle, instead clare were much better drilled and worked the ball short and through the lines. At one point in the second half, after waterford burst their balls to get a score back and draw level, clare went, short puck out, handpass and go for return, handpass, handpass (support runs following up) handpass and a point - within 30 seconds, the sliotar was at least 70 yards from waterford goal before any tackle went in. It is completely coached out of the lads.

Our puckouts were aimless, sky scrapers coming down on top of lads a foot shorter then their man, and the extra clare half back sweeped up the break. We had big targets in the FF line but didnt utilise them.

Our backs did well, particularly impressed with Jack O Floinn & Furlong the CB (my first time seeing him) but the forwards were very poor - Aaron Ryan a lad iv a lot of time for, was very wild in his shot choice, totally panicked, this is where your coaching should kick in not this zonal marking BS, however he didnt shirk the issue and repeatedly took the bull by the horns.

Honestly it was very very poor. The attitude was right & the effort to match, but it was totally over complicated from the line from what i could see.

Would agree with your summary of the minors totally. It was terrible to watch. I would question O Floinn’s contribution as a few times in possession his distribution was extremely poor. He’s tenacious in the way he tackles to be fair though. One fella I was hugely disappointed with was Burke at full forward. For a big individual I was expecting a lot more from him and he really only contributed slightly when he came out to the half forward line. It will be interesting to see what tactics are applied next Sunday but again, like the seniors, we could be in for a long day!

Deiseen wrote: »

I'm not sure how this misconception about pitch sizes is actually a thing anymore.

See also: All-Ireland finals, Kilkenny training sessions are like.

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Most of ye know who i am, so it makes no odds, ill speak candidly & wont hide behind an anon name. The minor was very disappointing, totally over coached , trying too hard to be seen to be doing the "in vogue" hurling things - notably the clare puck out in second half zonal marking with hurleys up in the air!

as opposed to pushing up and forcing a contest down the middle, instead clare were much better drilled and worked the ball short and through the lines. At one point in the second half, after waterford burst their balls to get a score back and draw level, clare went, short puck out, handpass and go for return, handpass, handpass (support runs following up) handpass and a point - within 30 seconds, the sliotar was at least 70 yards from waterford goal before any tackle went in. It is completely coached out of the lads.

Our puckouts were aimless, sky scrapers coming down on top of lads a foot shorter then their man, and the extra clare half back sweeped up the break. We had big targets in the FF line but didnt utilise them.

Our backs did well, particularly impressed with Jack O Floinn & Furlong the CB (my first time seeing him) but the forwards were very poor - Aaron Ryan a lad iv a lot of time for, was very wild in his shot choice, totally panicked, this is where your coaching should kick in not this zonal marking BS, however he didnt shirk the issue and repeatedly took the bull by the horns.

Honestly it was very very poor. The attitude was right & the effort to match, but it was totally over complicated from the line from what i could see.

Totally agree with your post. People have to remember also that these young lads started training before the senior team. If ever there was an example of been over trained these boys showed it. The best man marker at minor level from the club games I’ve seen over the last few years is Foley from abbeyside and he isn’t even on the panel. Conor Howard is another player that I’ve seen over the last few years who isn’t on the panel. These are a good minor team with some excellent players and hopefully the management leave them off the leash on Sunday and play with a bit of freedom to show their potential.

In a small bit of support to the manager ( because no one wants to look like a fool at their home venue) he only took over these lads last summer because of poor decisions made by the lads on the coaching and games and then had to go and look for new selectors and back room staff. So maybe he needs to be cut a bit of slack.

I’ll say it again, there are fellas in coaching and games not up to the job and if we want to compete again we’ve to get new, capable,people into these positions fast. Also the coaching and games officer with the county board is a disgrace. He has visited a school since his appointment and didn’t attend any underage county finals ( just ask any board Na Nog officer). It’s my opinion that we need a Waterford man in as coaching and games officer. We need to get back to our old style of hurling, not another counties style.

Some might say that my opinions are bitterness but I’ve spoken to people in other counties with regards to the volume of games they play to the level of coaching going on and we are seriously lagging behind all the rest.