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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 5 "The bells" - Spoilers post 2 forward

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Do you think solders don't become dehumanized in war if they are fighting for the 'good' side?
    Well it only took them a few minutes to suddenly lose it but there was quite a bit of that going on in this episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......


    Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

    She saw the light and became that angsty teen who went away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What was the story with Arya and the horse at the end?

    The theory is that Bran was warging into the horse to get her out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Tyrion grasses on Varys for treason. Fine.
    Tyrion commits treason you choice the very next day.

    I thought for a second Jon Snow was going to battle Grey Worm and I was all for the ball less one to get cut down.


  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......


    Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

    Don't think about it.. just enjoy the spectacle..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......


    Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

    It's simple. Arya planned on killing Cersei before the war could start. When the Red Keep was getting destroyed, the Hound told her it was time to leave. There was nothing she could do.

    She left, she had to try and survive the destruction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    WTF is Jon going to do about all those Northern soldiers who went on a killing spree of innocent people? Unsullied turned into war criminals also.
    In the after show discussion, they were saying that they wanted to show that not everything is black and white and it's not a case of the Lannister soldiers bad and the Northerners good. I can appreciate that but when someone on a dragon is burning the city around you, it doesn't seem the appropriate time to start getting rapey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Bonzo Delaney


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well it only took them a few minutes to suddenly lose it but there was quite a bit of that going on in this episode.

    I think it was more the confusion of what was happening their queen was off burning the city and all inside so classic case of monkey sees monkey does and the city's ripe for a pillaging. While Jon is trying to pull them back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......


    Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??
    She wanted to cross Cersei off her list but with the Keep crumbling the Hound convinced her that it was better to live, than die seeking revenge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    In the after show discussion, they were saying that they wanted to show that not everything is black and white and it's not a case of the Lannister soldiers bad and the Northerners good. I can appreciate that but when someone on a dragon is burning the city around you, it doesn't seem the appropriate time to start getting rapey.
    It struck me as a way to give the soldiers other things to do and Jon the honourable to gut some. Pretty clumsy effort at such commentary in the middle of a battle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Ah jaysus lads. khaleesi is off her rocker. She broke that f*^king wheel alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭biggebruv


    I have to say it’s interesting reading People’s different views on Danny’s state of mind and about war etc

    Suppose that’s better than a hero’s saves the day, happily ever after and the end
    I wanna sit down in about 2 weeks time and binge this season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,169 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Was expecting Arya to die given that her escape was being mirrored by The Hound's fighting.

    Was a tad convenient almost comical that the GC commander's horse survived the ensuing slaughter to arrive at just the right time.
    There is another possible interpretation of that scene: Arya dies, and that was what she saw: her personal version of "walking towards the light".

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭biggebruv


    bnt wrote: »
    There is another possible interpretation of that scene: Arya dies, and that was what she saw: her personal version of "walking towards the light".

    I was ready for Arya to die in that part I think it would have fit GOT the savior of mankind gets trampled on and dies just like nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭CiarraiAbu2


    Where to all these unsullied come out of, for guys with no balls they seem to breed like rabbits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Do you think solders don't become dehumanized in war if they are fighting for the 'good' side?

    Took them about 3 minutes to become dehumanised and a bit rapey and slaughtering women and children. It was all a bit bizarre to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    biggebruv wrote: »
    I have to say it’s interesting reading People’s different views on Danny’s state of mind and about war etc

    Suppose that’s better than a hero’s saves the day, happily ever after and the end
    I wanna sit down in about 2 weeks time and binge this season
    No heroes in this but there are concerns that after 8 seasons it may turn out to be just about a crazy dragon woman. That's a bad fairy tale!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I might have missed it, but where did Tyrion go to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    biggebruv wrote: »
    I was ready for Arya to die in that part I think it would have fit GOT the savior of mankind gets trampled on and dies just like nothing
    And then she gets up to walk towards the horse and turns to look back to her lifeless body.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Took them about 3 minutes to become dehumanised and a bit rapey and slaughtering women and children. It was all a bit bizarre to be honest.

    They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I might have missed it, but where did Tyrion go to?
    Stood outside and watched.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Really find it surprising how 'shocked' people are with Dany's moment. She literally burned anyone that disagreed with her. No way every slaver and enemy she fought was 100% evil? I think one thing the shows did rather well was serve to illustrate how easily we overlook awful acts if they are in our own interests or aligned to own views of morality. The slavers are bad so anything bad that happens to them is deserved.

    Favourite part of this episode was how if this is the only episode of Game of Thrones you watched you wouldn't know that the Lannisters and Cersei were 'bad' guys. The Lannisters guards were sacrificing themselves to protect civilians of the city.

    Side note: found it really interesting the producers referred it to the Dresden Bombings. For all the feminst liberal stuff the show get's accused of, it'll be amazing if they don't get taken to task for the implied position they took on Dresden. That was a brave, and in my opinion, very fitting reference to make.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Arya fell in love with the horse because it had gorgeous hair.


    She's gone from the show now because she is married to the horse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Penn wrote: »
    They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.
    Wasted training so as they only did their job for about 2 minutes and ignored honest Jon's entreaties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Great episode, but very disappointed by Cersei's apparent demise.

    The Night King's death was a let down, but a lot of people were making the (valid) point that Cersei was the true bad guy here. And her death felt even more anti-climatic, to be given her moment with Jamie and crushes by some rubble off-screen.

    I know it'll be argued now that Dany is the bad guy, but that was really only introduced in this episode (ignoring foreshadowing).

    We basically had 7 seasons of people waiting for the comeuppance for the Night King and Cersei and they've been pretty unrewarding and underwhelming IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Rezident


    nix wrote: »
    I enjoyed it, mainly because literally everything got burned to the ground. But it was all completely silly tbh

    It was a pretty solid episode, up until the bells rang. She attacked with pretty much surgical precision, knocking out all major defenses and opening the way for her infantry. Then just says "**** it" and kills everybody... LOL

    Dany has always done what was right or what she had to do, but never ever, not once was it at the cost of innocent life for 7+ seasons. And In the space of two episodes she puts Darth Vader to shame and single handedly commits genocide on her own people and civilians of kings landing :pac:


    Sam's brother was clearly innocent. They have been telegraphing the mad queen thing for a long time, I am amazed anyone is surprised by it. I loved it, glad they did not chicken out. She's a Targaryen FFS!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Wasted training so as they only did their job for about 2 minutes and ignored honest Jon's entreaties.


    Jon: "no, stop!"


    /impales a guy on his sword


    Jon: "why are you doing this?!?!"


    /slices a guys head clean in two


    Jon: "i'm so sick of these Games Of Thrones!"


    /does a wicked cool spin-slice and beheads 3 guys at once


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Penn wrote: »
    They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.

    What? They entered King's Landing and fought Lannisters. Grand. Then Greyworm spears a soldier who dropped his sword and the Northerners decide..."feck it lets start raping and pillaging".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Stood outside and watched.

    Seems he did, last I remember was him watching for the bells, then watching Danaerys fly off again. Looked like he was still outside at that point.


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