"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 5 "The bells" - Spoilers post 2 forward

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:08PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you think solders don't become dehumanized in war if they are fighting for the 'good' side?

Well it only took them a few minutes to suddenly lose it but there was quite a bit of that going on in this episode.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:09PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......

Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

She saw the light and became that angsty teen who went away.

Sonics2k · 13-05-2019 10:10PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What was the story with Arya and the horse at the end?

The theory is that Bran was warging into the horse to get her out.

razorblunt · 13-05-2019 10:10PM

Tyrion grasses on Varys for treason. Fine.
Tyrion commits treason you choice the very next day.

I thought for a second Jon Snow was going to battle Grey Worm and I was all for the ball less one to get cut down.

13-05-2019 10:11PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......

Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

Don't think about it.. just enjoy the spectacle..

Sonics2k · 13-05-2019 10:11PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......

Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

It's simple. Arya planned on killing Cersei before the war could start. When the Red Keep was getting destroyed, the Hound told her it was time to leave. There was nothing she could do.

She left, she had to try and survive the destruction.

Paddy Cow · 13-05-2019 10:12PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

WTF is Jon going to do about all those Northern soldiers who went on a killing spree of innocent people? Unsullied turned into war criminals also.

In the after show discussion, they were saying that they wanted to show that not everything is black and white and it's not a case of the Lannister soldiers bad and the Northerners good. I can appreciate that but when someone on a dragon is burning the city around you, it doesn't seem the appropriate time to start getting rapey.

Bonzo Delaney · 13-05-2019 10:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it only took them a few minutes to suddenly lose it but there was quite a bit of that going on in this episode.

I think it was more the confusion of what was happening their queen was off burning the city and all inside so classic case of monkey sees monkey does and the city's ripe for a pillaging. While Jon is trying to pull them back

Paddy Cow · 13-05-2019 10:14PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So instead of repeating whats already been said and mentioning what i liked or didn't like about that episode im gonna jump in here with.......

Who wants to do me the honor of explaining wtf they done or tried to do with Arya Stark in that episode!!??

She wanted to cross Cersei off her list but with the Keep crumbling the Hound convinced her that it was better to live, than die seeking revenge.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:16PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

In the after show discussion, they were saying that they wanted to show that not everything is black and white and it's not a case of the Lannister soldiers bad and the Northerners good. I can appreciate that but when someone on a dragon is burning the city around you, it doesn't seem the appropriate time to start getting rapey.

It struck me as a way to give the soldiers other things to do and Jon the honourable to gut some. Pretty clumsy effort at such commentary in the middle of a battle.

kerplun k · 13-05-2019 10:16PM

Ah jaysus lads. khaleesi is off her rocker. She broke that f*^king wheel alright.

kowloon · 13-05-2019 10:16PM

biggebruv · 13-05-2019 10:16PM

I have to say it’s interesting reading People’s different views on Danny’s state of mind and about war etc

Suppose that’s better than a hero’s saves the day, happily ever after and the end
I wanna sit down in about 2 weeks time and binge this season

bnt · 13-05-2019 10:16PM

OptimusTractor wrote: »

Was expecting Arya to die given that her escape was being mirrored by The Hound's fighting.

Was a tad convenient almost comical that the GC commander's horse survived the ensuing slaughter to arrive at just the right time.

There is another possible interpretation of that scene: Arya dies, and that was what she saw: her personal version of "walking towards the light".

biggebruv · 13-05-2019 10:19PM

bnt wrote: »

There is another possible interpretation of that scene: Arya dies, and that was what she saw: her personal version of "walking towards the light".

I was ready for Arya to die in that part I think it would have fit GOT the savior of mankind gets trampled on and dies just like nothing

CiarraiAbu2 · 13-05-2019 10:19PM

Where to all these unsullied come out of, for guys with no balls they seem to breed like rabbits.

namloc1980 · 13-05-2019 10:19PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you think solders don't become dehumanized in war if they are fighting for the 'good' side?

Took them about 3 minutes to become dehumanised and a bit rapey and slaughtering women and children. It was all a bit bizarre to be honest.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:21PM

biggebruv wrote: »

I have to say it’s interesting reading People’s different views on Danny’s state of mind and about war etc

Suppose that’s better than a hero’s saves the day, happily ever after and the end
I wanna sit down in about 2 weeks time and binge this season

No heroes in this but there are concerns that after 8 seasons it may turn out to be just about a crazy dragon woman. That's a bad fairy tale!

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-05-2019 10:26PM

I might have missed it, but where did Tyrion go to?

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:26PM

biggebruv wrote: »

I was ready for Arya to die in that part I think it would have fit GOT the savior of mankind gets trampled on and dies just like nothing

And then she gets up to walk towards the horse and turns to look back to her lifeless body.

Penn · 13-05-2019 10:27PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Took them about 3 minutes to become dehumanised and a bit rapey and slaughtering women and children. It was all a bit bizarre to be honest.

They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:27PM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I might have missed it, but where did Tyrion go to?

Stood outside and watched.

Turtwig · 13-05-2019 10:28PM

Really find it surprising how 'shocked' people are with Dany's moment. She literally burned anyone that disagreed with her. No way every slaver and enemy she fought was 100% evil? I think one thing the shows did rather well was serve to illustrate how easily we overlook awful acts if they are in our own interests or aligned to own views of morality. The slavers are bad so anything bad that happens to them is deserved.

Favourite part of this episode was how if this is the only episode of Game of Thrones you watched you wouldn't know that the Lannisters and Cersei were 'bad' guys. The Lannisters guards were sacrificing themselves to protect civilians of the city.

Side note: found it really interesting the producers referred it to the Dresden Bombings. For all the feminst liberal stuff the show get's accused of, it'll be amazing if they don't get taken to task for the implied position they took on Dresden. That was a brave, and in my opinion, very fitting reference to make.

lawlolawl · 13-05-2019 10:28PM

Arya fell in love with the horse because it had gorgeous hair.

She's gone from the show now because she is married to the horse.

is_that_so · 13-05-2019 10:29PM

Penn wrote: »

They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.

Wasted training so as they only did their job for about 2 minutes and ignored honest Jon's entreaties.

el Fenomeno · 13-05-2019 10:30PM

Great episode, but very disappointed by Cersei's apparent demise.

The Night King's death was a let down, but a lot of people were making the (valid) point that Cersei was the true bad guy here. And her death felt even more anti-climatic, to be given her moment with Jamie and crushes by some rubble off-screen.

I know it'll be argued now that Dany is the bad guy, but that was really only introduced in this episode (ignoring foreshadowing).

We basically had 7 seasons of people waiting for the comeuppance for the Night King and Cersei and they've been pretty unrewarding and underwhelming IMO.

Rezident · 13-05-2019 10:33PM

nix wrote: »

I enjoyed it, mainly because literally everything got burned to the ground. But it was all completely silly tbh

It was a pretty solid episode, up until the bells rang. She attacked with pretty much surgical precision, knocking out all major defenses and opening the way for her infantry. Then just says "**** it" and kills everybody... LOL

Dany has always done what was right or what she had to do, but never ever, not once was it at the cost of innocent life for 7+ seasons. And In the space of two episodes she puts Darth Vader to shame and single handedly commits genocide on her own people and civilians of kings landing :pac:

Sam's brother was clearly innocent. They have been telegraphing the mad queen thing for a long time, I am amazed anyone is surprised by it. I loved it, glad they did not chicken out. She's a Targaryen FFS!

lawlolawl · 13-05-2019 10:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Wasted training so as they only did their job for about 2 minutes and ignored honest Jon's entreaties.

Jon: "no, stop!"

/impales a guy on his sword

Jon: "why are you doing this?!?!"

/slices a guys head clean in two

Jon: "i'm so sick of these Games Of Thrones!"

/does a wicked cool spin-slice and beheads 3 guys at once

namloc1980 · 13-05-2019 10:34PM

Penn wrote: »

They would have been the army who survived winter fell, then got marched down to Kings landing. Probably been training, fighting and then marching for over a month without proper rest. That'd help dehumanise them.

What? They entered King's Landing and fought Lannisters. Grand. Then Greyworm spears a soldier who dropped his sword and the Northerners decide..."feck it lets start raping and pillaging".

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-05-2019 10:35PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Stood outside and watched.

Seems he did, last I remember was him watching for the bells, then watching Danaerys fly off again. Looked like he was still outside at that point.

"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 5 "The bells" - Spoilers post 2 forward

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