Pastor Steven Anderson banned from Ireland

pjohnson · 13-05-2019 08:44AM #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anti-gay-preacher-is-first-ever-banned-from-ireland-under-exclusion-powers-1.3889848?mode=amp

Seems a proper decision given his track record. Cant imagine many will disagree so what do you think?

Did he deserve the ban or not?

Beechwoodspark · 13-05-2019 08:46AM

Banned from the whole of Europe it seems. That doesn’t happen by chance

stefanovich · 13-05-2019 08:47AM

pjohnson wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anti-gay-preacher-is-first-ever-banned-from-ireland-under-exclusion-powers-1.3889848?mode=amp

Seems a proper decision given his track record. Cant imagine many will disagree so what do you think?

Did he deserve the ban or not?

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

gmisk · 13-05-2019 08:49AM

Good news.
I sat through one of his videos vile oul sh#te, glad we followed the rest of Europe in banning him.

francois · 13-05-2019 08:51AM

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

Let the whataboutery commence!

B0jangles · 13-05-2019 08:51AM

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

If he's a biblical literalist why is he wearing a polo shirt that is clearly some kind of heathen blend of fabrics???

Unclean! UNCLEAN!!!

Hector Savage · 13-05-2019 08:53AM

Strange the way they didn't ban the anti Gay preachers that were at Clonskeagh mosque.

Ah sorry it's Islam, Micheal D Higgins was out there shaking their hands and saying how great they all were ... carry on.

http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html#death

Deja Boo · 13-05-2019 08:58AM

*Waits until the secret life of Pastor Glass House, is publicly exposed.*

biko · 13-05-2019 09:13AM

It's complex
On one hand I am glad he cannot come here to stir **** up.
On the other, I don't like when the government big-brothers the citizenship

stefanovich · 13-05-2019 09:16AM

Deja Boo wrote: »

*Waits until the secret life of Pastor Glass House, is publicly exposed.*

Oh he is most definitely gay. :pac:

Deja Boo · 13-05-2019 09:25AM

stefanovich wrote: »

Oh he is most definitely gay. :pac:

"The pastor lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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Ash.J.Williams · 13-05-2019 09:27AM

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

Banned also I'd imagine

MrFresh · 13-05-2019 09:31AM

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

I'd hope that if someone took a literal interpretation of Harry Potter they'd be getting mental health treatment.

Danzy · 13-05-2019 09:35AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Strange the way they didn't ban the anti Gay preachers that were at Clonskeagh mosque.

Ah sorry it's Islam, Micheal D Higgins was out there shaking their hands and saying how great they all were ... carry on.

http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html#death

This, all day long, people multitudes more extreme than this man are regularly preaching and touring all over Europe yet are untouched.

Hurrache · 13-05-2019 09:35AM

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

The holocaust wasn't in the bible.

biko wrote: »

It's complex
On one hand I am glad he cannot come here to stir **** up.
On the other, I don't like when the government big-brothers the citizenship

As you know yourself there's no such thing as an entitlement to free speech. This guy doesn't argue anything based on facts, so it's not like the government are 'protecting' us from some truth they don't want us to hear.

MrFresh · 13-05-2019 09:38AM

Danzy wrote: »

This, all day long, people multitudes more extreme than this man are regularly preaching and touring all over Europe yet are untouched.

When will the man with right wing views get his time to shine? When will the white heterosexual Christian man stand up to his oppressors?

tjhook · 13-05-2019 09:38AM

My opinion has swung over and back on this one.

TLDR: meh.

I don't know much about the lad, but what I've read makes him sound somewhat unhinged.

But I'm not comfortable with a minister deciding who can be heard, and that only "correct" opinions are allowed to be voiced. Surely stupid ideas should be open to ridicule. They shouldn't be feared.

But... in this case, I suppose the minister isn't actually preventing speech. He's denying entry to the country for an "undesirable" person who isn't entitled to be here and will add no value. If anything, we should be more picky about who does and doesn't enter the country.

Danzy · 13-05-2019 09:39AM

MrFresh wrote: »

When will the man with right wing views get his time to shine? When will the white heterosexual Christian man stand up to his oppressors?

?

Did you hope to hear this man preach or something?

Hurrache · 13-05-2019 09:39AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Strange the way they didn't ban the anti Gay preachers that were at Clonskeagh mosque.

Ah sorry it's Islam, Micheal D Higgins was out there shaking their hands and saying how great they all were ... carry on.

http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html#death

Danzy wrote: »

This, all day long, people multitudes more extreme than this man are regularly preaching and touring all over Europe yet are untouched.

Nobody is stopping members of the Catholic church travelling.

But is it convenient for you two to ignore his issue with Jews?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-05-2019 09:40AM

biko wrote: »

It's complex
On one hand I am glad he cannot come here to stir **** up.
On the other, I don't like when the government big-brothers the citizenship

incitement to hatred and promotion of violence. I've no problem with this.

stefanovich wrote: »

He is banned cause he takes a literal interpretation of the Bible. What if it were another book?

The exact same thing. You wanted consistency? You've got consistency.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-05-2019 09:42AM

tjhook wrote: »

My opinion has swung over and back on this one.

TLDR: meh.

I don't know much about the lad, but what I've read makes him sound somewhat unhinged.

But I'm not comfortable with a minister deciding who can be heard, and that only "correct" opinions are allowed to be voiced. Surely stupid ideas should be open to ridicule. They shouldn't be feared.

But... in this case, I suppose the minister isn't actually preventing speech. He's denying entry to the country for an "undesirable" person who isn't entitled to be here and will add no value. If anything, we should be more picky about who does and doesn't enter the country.

He can still be heard. The very fact that we're discussing him proves this.

Minister just not providing him with a platform, and he has no obligation to provide him with anything.

Bob Harris · 13-05-2019 09:43AM

Where do I get a refund for two tickets?

whisky_galore · 13-05-2019 09:47AM

If he were let in, he wouldn't get anywhere to preach. No hotel in the country would have him.

Tbh think not being let in is a good idea, only recipe for trouble. See Love Ulster Parade.

Berserker · 13-05-2019 09:48AM

Nice bit of selective banning. Do not agree with his views but I do believe that he should have been subject to a ban either. Any idea where he was scheduled to speak in Dublin? Is there a Christian church in Dublin which supports such views?

whisky_galore wrote: »

If he were let in, he wouldn't get anywhere to preach. No hotel in the country would have him.

He was scheduled to speak on May 26th, so someone was willing to facilitate him.

Beechwoodspark · 13-05-2019 09:49AM

Berserker wrote: »

Nice bit of selective banning. Do not agree with his views but I do believe that he should have been subject to a ban either. Any idea where he was scheduled to speak in Dublin? Is there a Christian church in Dublin which supports such views?

He was banned from the entire rest of Europe and Ireland was the only EU country he could get into before he was banned. I’d say there’s more to it

Danzy · 13-05-2019 09:50AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Nobody is stopping members of the Catholic church travelling.

But is it convenient for you two to ignore his issue with Jews?

I haven't listened to much of him, what are his views on Jews.

His views on what I've heard are extreme so I presume he sounds like a Corbyn supporter on speed when it comes to Jews.

I presume they are reprehensible.

The point of him being challenged is fine, that countless others who will give sermons this Friday in Ireland, across Britain and Europe who have equal or more extreme views and often a history of backing that up are not.

valoren · 13-05-2019 09:50AM

He must really hate being gay.

Hurrache · 13-05-2019 09:50AM

Berserker wrote: »

Nice bit of selective banning.

You want everyone banned instead?

Hurrache · 13-05-2019 09:51AM

Danzy wrote: »

I haven't listened to much of him, what are his views on Jews.

It's there on the web.

tjhook · 13-05-2019 09:57AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

He can still be heard. The very fact that we're discussing him proves this.

Minister just not providing him with a platform, and he has no obligation to provide him with anything.

Definitely agree with the last bit, and would expand it to say that *this country* doesn't have any obligation to him. In the same way that if I want to spend a little time in Australia, they don't have any obligation to let me in either.

That was my point really, that the minister isn't preventing speech, he's just being (a little) picky about who can enter the country. I think we should be selective about who we allow here.

El_Bee · 13-05-2019 09:57AM

biko wrote: »

It's complex
On one hand I am glad he cannot come here to stir **** up.
On the other, I don't like when the government big-brothers the citizenship

very few countries actually have 100% free speech as a right, we have free speech as long as it doesn't breach public order, which can be stretched and moved to mean just about anything.

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