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  • #32
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Gffg wrote: »
    Over turned? So people in England can once again watch face sitting and the like?

    I could be wrong but I thought I’d read somewhere that it was, or perhaps it was being challenged.

    I wouldn’t be too keen on a number of those “genres” of pornography myself but if someone wants to “get off” over the images of a young woman wearing some lad’s face like one of those yokes in the “Alien” movies who am I to tell them it’s wrong?

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #33
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Modern fascism in your face. This is how it creeps in, bit by bit, very slowly.

    I can remember when magazines were illegal.When I was 13 I travelled to the UK with the Scouts. Myself and a friend were obsessed with a Baywatch star called Erica Eleniak. She is gorgeous. We bought 2 copies of Playboy in a newsagent across the road from Euston Station. One copy is probably still in my parents attic. I was in love with her.

    My point is that a teenager will get their hands on porn if they want to. Even at 13.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    This is a website I automatically associate with nerdy 'neckbeard' sorts of men - compulsive video gamers, fans of UFC (but not the gym), addictions to extreme pornography and tube sites. The sort who can only get their sexual kicks through masturbation and sickening gonzo pornography, and who then blame women for not finding their subculture an attract one to pick a partner or lover from.

    Why do you persist in coming?


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why do you persist in coming?

    He's describing himself.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    . Quite apart from the reality that it mostly involves a man bringing himself to climax while staring into a laptop or telephone screen.

    Hate to burst your bubble but we all brought ourselves to climax over the Sunday World or a Playtex bra ad in woman's way back in the day. Personally I was 11 or 12. This is NORMAL and HEALTHY. There was also a mag called Amateur Photographer with nudes in it. Got lots of mileage out of that one.

    Are you disgusted by sex?

    If they were talking about banning extreme porn for kids then maybe. But they aren't. Aside from the fact its unworkable anyway.


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  • #37
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hate to burst your bubble but we all brought ourselves to climax over the Sunday World or a Playtex bra ad in woman's way back in the day. Personally I was 11 or 12. This is NORMAL and HEALTHY. Are you disgusted by sex?

    Not at all; I have a very healthy sex life. I just don't think the widespread availability of pornography is healthy for young people who will visit these sites out of curiosity and form the opinion that what is shown in these clips is what constitutes a healthy sex life or appetite. Especially as these sites are having to produce ever more extreme material to satisfy the sordid desires of their main userbase - neckbeard men in their 20's and 30's who find it difficult to form real and meaningful relationships with women, and who increasingly find themselves only able to come through watching hateful and misogynistic porn featuring psychopathic men and vulnerable, drug addicted young women.

    Anything that can be done to limit young peoples exposure to this is to be welcomed.


  • #38
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    It shouldn’t be controversial to say we should protect pre-teens and teens from porn, especially the more extreme categories.

    This idea might not be the way to go about it, but it’s a worthy endeavour.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://womensenews.org/2003/10/teen-magazines-send-girls-all-the-wrong-messages/

    Teen girl mags should be banned too as they encourage teen girls to be obsessed with making themselves sex objects and indulging in risky sex.


  • #40
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Not at all; I have a very healthy sex life. I just don't think the widespread availability of pornography is healthy for young people who will visit these sites out of curiosity and form the opinion that what is shown in these clips is what constitutes a healthy sex life or appetite.
    Wouldn't see the likes of that in Germany Angie.

    Especially as these sites are having to produce ever more extreme material to satisfy the sordid desires of their main userbase - neckbeard men in their 20's and 30's who find it difficult to form real and meaningful relationships with women, and who increasingly find themselves only able to come through watching hateful and misogynistic porn featuring psychopathic men and vulnerable, drug addicted young men.

    Anything that can be done to limit young peoples exposure to this is to be welcomed.

    It's not being done to target these young men, it's been proposed to attempt to prevent underage teens who undoubtedly know a hell of a lot more about getting past filters and proxies than Jim Daly will ever understand.


  • #41
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Under 18? Jesus, just roll the gestapo out and be done with it. How about making parents parent?

    I suspect you're just another Google tinfoil hatter. Bing gives far better porn results anyway.

    I'm actually a DuckDuckGo kind of guy. There's no reason why every smartphone should have internet searches available. Having apps, calls and texts is more than enough for a child to have on their phone.

    If I had a smartphone as a teenager I would have been looking up porn every wa(n)king second.


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  • #42
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Modern fascism in your face.
    An ill conceived suggestion to prevent children accessing hardcore porn? No. No it isn't fascism whatsoever.

    Playboy isn't remotely comparable to the extreme stuff online btw.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Not at all; I have a very healthy sex life. I just don't think the widespread availability of pornography is healthy for young people who will visit these sites out of curiosity and form the opinion that what is shown in these clips is what constitutes a healthy sex life or appetite. Especially as these sites are having to produce ever more extreme material to satisfy the sordid desires of their main userbase - neckbeard men in their 20's and 30's who find it difficult to form real and meaningful relationships with women, and who increasingly find themselves only able to come through watching hateful and misogynistic porn featuring psychopathic men and vulnerable, drug addicted young women.

    Anything that can be done to limit young peoples exposure to this is to be welcomed.

    That's not what's being discussed though. It's a blanket ban on all porn. And tracking everyone who watches it.

    Do you watch the auld porn yourself?


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Popular music is all about hoes and bitches and having porn sex with lots of men / women... Including the likes of Arianna Grande and Miley Cyrus... Should that also be banned?


  • #45
    Gffg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 33 ✭Gffg


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    That’s right, they made “bondage”, “face sitting”, “fisting”, “water sports”, “BDSM” and material featuring female ejaculation or “sex wee” as some call it.

    There were a few other categories banned as well but I believe this was overturned earlier this year.
    Now that's probably an example of something that's lovely to look at on screen, but mightn't be as good in reality.

    And with porn, you can make believe that squirting isn't pee, and instead believe that it's her heavenly juices!


  • #46
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I dont think its a terrible idea.

    Hard core/porn is too easily accessible if you go looking. Not to mind when its being pushed.
    Kids growing up thinking weird shıt porn is "normal".

    Fair enough if you go looking for it and want to consume age appropriate material. But
    Im constantly updating pop up blockers and filters on the kids devices. Fcuking sick of porn TBH

    #andImnotaprudemyself
    You shouldn't have to add that bit at the end.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you disgusted by sex?.
    Jeez, that's some leap - where did they indicate that?
    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    It shouldn’t be controversial to say we should protect pre-teens and teens from porn, especially the more extreme categories.
    Exactly.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://womensenews.org/2003/10/teen-magazines-send-girls-all-the-wrong-messages/

    Teen girl mags should be banned too as they encourage teen girls to be obsessed with making themselves sex objects and indulging in risky sex.
    They shouldn't be banned but yeah they sure as sh1t should be undergoing a change in content.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's not what's being discussed though. It's a blanket ban on all porn.
    A "ban"? Who said anything about a ban? :confused:


  • #47
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Popular music is all about hoes and bitches and having porn sex with lots of men / women... Including the likes of Arianna Grande and Miley Cyrus... Should that also be banned?
    What ban are you talking about?


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    A "ban"? Who said anything about a ban? :confused:

    A ban for under 18s.


  • #49
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Popular music is all about hoes and bitches and having porn sex with lots of men / women... Including the likes of Arianna Grande any Miley Cyrus... Should that also be banned?

    I think there is something very insidious and troubling about the two 'role models' you mention there in Grande and Miley. They start out on children's shows and are looked up to by young impressionable girls. Then a few years later they are wearing nothing while riding a wrecking ball. It's morally very questionable behavior. Going from cute and innocent to straight up naked ho is very unfair.

    At least for young boys they get to look up to soccer players for the most part. Who generally behave quite professional.


  • #50
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A ban for under 18s.
    People always had to be 18+ to access porn.


  • #51
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,991 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A ban for under 18s.

    Hasn’t that ban always been in place?

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

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  • #52
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    I think there is something very insidious and troubling about the two 'role models' you mention there in Grande and Miley. They start out on children's shows and are looked up to by young impressionable girls. Then a few years later they are wearing nothing while riding a wrecking ball. It's morally very questionable behavior. Going from cute and innocent to straight up naked ho is very unfair.
    I think the message they convey is dreadful. And then this mixed message "feminism" nonsense of "don't objectify me" and "I don't need no man" when their lives utterly revolve around men. And "I feel pressured by men" when the pressure is their own doing. It's idiocy.


  • #53
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Aurora Bald Beef wrote: »
    They're still fascists from the 1930s because one minister wants to introduce a (albeit unworkable) system to prevent children from being able to access hardcore porn?

    God the hysteria on this thread.

    You're extremely naive if you think that's the primary concern of the government in instituting measures like this.

    Governments are extremely uncomfortable with the concept of a free and open internet.

    For some nominally good reasons, such as the welfare of the people and national security, and some less good reasons, such as controlling public discourse, serving the interests of big business, and monitoring communications and behaviour, governments across the globe are seeking ways to clamp down on the autonomy and freedom that the internet has allowed people to experience.

    A porn block gives a government the means to implement the infrastructure to increase their hold over the internet, while cloaking it in a pubic health narrative that few would have the balls to oppose in public for fear of being labelled some kind of deviant.

    Leaving out the practical concerns, such as the inevitable leaking of data on those who sign up to such a scheme, and that it would be largely ineffective at accomplishing its stated aims, we shouldn't be in any way cavalier about relinquishing the freedoms we have been afforded by technology purely to satisfy a certain group of negligent parents or technological illiterates.
    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    It shouldn’t be controversial to say we should protect pre-teens and teens from porn, especially the more extreme categories.

    This idea might not be the way to go about it, but it’s a worthy endeavour.

    Is it? Is there a pressing need to do so?

    There are certain clear health crises that we are facing in this country (and across the developed world), from air quality, to obesity, to mental health. Is there any pressing need to combat pornography, and is there any evidence that this course of action will have any impact at doing so?

    Or, is it just some ****ing notion someone dreamt up, either to buy votes from serial hand-wringers, or to erode our civil liberties?


  • #54
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    It shouldn’t be controversial to say we should protect pre-teens and teens from porn, especially the more extreme categories.

    This idea might not be the way to go about it, but it’s a worthy endeavour.

    Don't think anyone has an issue with blocking it from those age groups. However the implementation of a system where I and others over the age of 18 will effectively have logged with the government or a private company that I wish to avoid their porn block. It's gonna get leaked or used inappropriately in all likelihood.

    Plus it simply won't work. Eg I could pretty much source anything as a teen. A block simply would be a minor challenge. And others picked all this up off of me at time. That's how teens are.


  • #55
    Father Hernandez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,487 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    “So just paying for the breakfast roll, a coffee and 2 porn passes please”


  • #56
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Define pornography?


  • #57
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    sugarman wrote: »
    Let parents, parent.

    Its not that difficult to setup your own content filters and most internet providers have their own opt in service.

    Three mobile have an adult content filter by default, not just to porn sites but to most sites with adult material. You can have it easily removed but you need to verfiy your age with them.

    Parents are too happy to give their kids access to these things, theyre growing up with mobiles, tablets and laptops from as young as 5 with full blown access to the web. Its nuts!

    ...and its crazier to think everyone but them is getting the blame for it!

    It's not that simple. When my daughter was very young, 12 or so, she came to me very upset because some lads in school had surrounded her and forced her to watch hard core porn on their phones. It was a thing the lads did to a lot of girls at the time. It was a good few years ago, but I'm sure it still goes on. She was very shocked by what she had seen and earlier than I expected I had to have some fairly serious conversations with her about what is essentially gross violence against women.

    What I wonder about are the platforms and web hosting companies that facilitate gorno videos providers. Should they not be made responsible for the content they host? What about payment providers? Do Visa and Paypal etc allow funds to be channeled through them for violent porn viewing, yet while bannings so-called politically incorrect sites from service?


  • #58
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Pornography is destroying a whole generation of young people with ease of access on the internet.
    Look at the amount of young people before the court's for sexual assaults


  • #59
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod- Thread locked for a few minutes for a clean up.

    Do not mention or comment on any ongoing trial.

    If it continues users will be sanctioned.


  • #60
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Thread reopened. Read the warning above.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Pornography is destroying a whole generation of young people with ease of access on the internet.
    Look at the amount of young people before the court's for sexual assaults

    If what you say is true, how exactly will a porn pass which will be easily bypassed help matters?

    Educate parents on children’s responsible use of internet based technologies; develop a children’s internet use charter that would be easy for parents to administer - and encourage open communication between parents and children - porn passports are just nonsense. If kids can get alcohol and drugs even with the laws currently in place getting access to a porn site will be “child’s play”


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