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myshirt · 10-05-2019 07:13AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

Good teachers do alot of work outside school hours such as correcting and class planning. I used to think the same as you but i have seen this first hand. A teachers work doesnt finish at 3pm. There are alot of hours done that they are not paid for.
This is where there hollidays come in i supppse.

Good f*cking god.... are you really trying to drive people over the edge?

Teachers are one of the most vastly overpaid and underworked professions in the country. I say this coming from years of experience working with organisations on operational effectiveness and performance.

It's a very noble profession and a good teacher is a gem, but as to the teachers qualified pre 2000 they rightly f*cked their younger members and are beyond doubt the most vastly overpaid and underworked for what they do.

You are truly having a laugh with that post.

10-05-2019 07:53AM

myshirt wrote: »

Good f*cking god.... are you really trying to drive people over the edge?

Teachers are one of the most vastly overpaid and underworked professions in the country. I say this coming from years of experience working with organisations on operational effectiveness and performance.

It's a very noble profession and a good teacher is a gem, but as to the teachers qualified pre 2000 they rightly f*cked their younger members and are beyond doubt the most vastly overpaid and underworked for what they do.

You are truly having a laugh with that post.

I don't really understand this. Are you aiming your vitriol at teachers who got into the profession before 2000?

That was 19 years ago. Do you think new teachers are overpaid and underworked?

Gimme A Pound · 10-05-2019 07:54AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

Good teachers do alot of work outside school hours such as correcting and class planning. I used to think the same as you but i have seen this first hand. A teachers work doesnt finish at 3pm. There are alot of hours done that they are not paid for.
This is where there hollidays come in i supppse.

Yip. Myshirt is talking bollox (imagine my shock).

They work well beyond their classroom hours (and the short classroom days and long holidays are for the pupils) - as they should do in fairness. But they aren't on big salaries at all. Not bad pay but not over paid either - they are responsible for several children's education and they are in loco parentis. I couldn't do it. In schools that are under resourced, they have an even bigger workload. Especially principals.

Hector Savage · 10-05-2019 08:05AM

I guess you work for the civil service op

10-05-2019 09:11AM

myshirt wrote: »

Good f*cking god.... are you really trying to drive people over the edge?

Teachers are one of the most vastly overpaid and underworked professions in the country. I say this coming from years of experience working with organisations on operational effectiveness and performance.

It's a very noble profession and a good teacher is a gem, but as to the teachers qualified pre 2000 they rightly f*cked their younger members and are beyond doubt the most vastly overpaid and underworked for what they do.

You are truly having a laugh with that post.

Absolute gutter, teaching is a very hard job only a person with zero experience of it would say a teacher is “underworked” (I’m not a teacher btw). It’s also underpaid for the importance and difficulty of the job.

10-05-2019 11:34AM

Teacher bashing as usual. Those who complain are just bitter because they didn't go into it and are now caught working until 5pm for ten and a half months a year. It was their decision.

Noveight · 10-05-2019 11:42AM

I'm a secondary teacher. It's a grand job.

Upsides:
Hours are nice. Holidays are too.
Pay isn't half bad, considering.
Very sociable job.

Downsides:
Some parents can be needlessly testy.
Teenagers can be twerps at times.

Overall, the good outweighs the bad by quite a distance.

Red Lightning · 10-05-2019 12:25PM

I've worked as a SNA in a secondary school and those who say teachers have it handy really don't know what they are talking about. They have some massive upsides to the job but to be a good teacher ya have to put in a massive amount of work.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2019 01:37PM

Some really bitter begrudgers on this thread.

Thelonious Monk · 10-05-2019 02:42PM

Fair play to school teachers, I wouldn't do it. I quit the rat race a couple of years ago and now have a middling income working for myself.
It's ridiculous really, we could all work a lot less, if we just slowed down the pace of life in general in the world. Slowed down the economy, slowed down consumption, had shops open less, back how it used to be before 24 hour everything.
But no Government is going to push for that.

ednwireland · 10-05-2019 02:48PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Fair play to school teachers, I wouldn't do it. I quit the rat race a couple of years ago and now have a middling income working for myself.
It's ridiculous really, we could all work a lot less, if we just slowed down the pace of life in general in the world. Slowed down the economy, slowed down consumption, had shops open less, back how it used to be before 24 hour everything.
But no Government is going to push for that.

poland are restricting sunday trade in large shops - started this year (dont agree with anything that current gov. is doing -apart from that )

SusieBlue · 10-05-2019 02:54PM

Red Lightning wrote: »

Teachers work a lot more than 22 hours a week. They have unpaid cover, majority have a **** load of correcting in the evenings and secondary school teachers bring their students in on their own time to help prepare them for exams.

I'm sure some do, some weeks. I don't think every teacher does, every week of the school year. Like other jobs, there are busier periods (exam time) and quieter ones, where they only work their actual teaching hours.
I fully support teachers btw, and don't begrudge them a bit. I don't think they're overpaid or any of the usual anti-teacher gripes.

I don't think it can be denied though that the teaching profession allows an extra dimension of flexibility that other professions simply don't have.

I used to live with a primary school teacher who used to finish school at 1:30pm each day.
One day a week she'd stay on until 3pm or so doing corrections, lesson planning, research & whatever else needed doing.
Every other day of the week she'd be racing out the door the same time as the kids, without exception. I don't think its that uncommon.

maccored · 10-05-2019 02:54PM

gozunda wrote: »

The only other one I'm aware of tbh is local goverment. The local county council employees are normally finished around 3 - 3.30 with a 9 am start. They also get a very nice holiday arrangement ...

where does this happen? Standard is 8.30/9.00 - 4.30/5pm

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-05-2019 03:24PM

maccored wrote: »

where does this happen? Standard is 8.30/9.00 - 4.30/5pm

I know people who work in Co Councils. I've never heard of any of them regularly finishing at 3 or 3.30.

10-05-2019 03:46PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I don't think it can be denied though that the teaching profession allows an extra dimension of flexibility that other professions simply don't have.
.

People don’t forget or realize how inflexible teaching is outside of fixed holidays though. Most people have no issues getting a day off or a week off when it suits them but teachers can find it very difficult and usually have to lose a days pay or even pay for a sub teacher if they want to get a day off during the year. This is very awkward as there are lots of reasons people what or needs days off at random times during the year.

greenspurs · 10-05-2019 03:52PM

topper75 wrote: »

How do we cope. Fair question. Ignore the snide 'responses'.

I barely cope. Things often don't get done at home. Sometimes important things even go by the wayside. Birthdays are forgotten. DIY tasks can take up to a year between problem ID and an ultimate fix. My wardrobe if full but of junk like old t-shirts. Sometimes a day maybe composed of work, a little grocery shopping and maybe one TV show before bed and the harsh beeping of the clockradio at the start of another repetition. I tumble on from week to week like a matchstick down the rapids and hope for the best. Many days I come in to work I am dog tired and get little done. I heard a TU guy on the radio this morning saying their movement will now be focusing on a 4-day week. I can see it happening in our lifetimes. When it comes through, possibly first though the public sector and later filtering into private industry, we'll wonder why it wasn't always thus and will shudder at the thought of the 5-day week the way we nowadays look upon our 19th century forbears toiling all days but the sabbath.

+1 …….

SusieBlue · 10-05-2019 04:18PM

Javion Thoughtless Peon wrote: »

People don’t forget or realize how inflexible teaching is outside of fixed holidays though. Most people have no issues getting a day off or a week off when it suits them but teachers can find it very difficult and usually have to lose a days pay or even pay for a sub teacher if they want to get a day off during the year. This is very awkward as there are lots of reasons people what or needs days off at random times during the year.

But a lot of other professions have the same problem, without the luxury of the nice holidays teachers enjoy.
For example, my company doesn't offer any sick leave. So if I or my child is sick, I have no choice but to take it unpaid.
Its just how it is. Many, many other companies are similar.

When I was in my early 20's I worked in pubs, clubs & restaurants. Getting time off at the weekends was out of the question, never mind Christmas/Bank Holidays etc.
It was just part of the parcel. Unfortunate, but something I knew going into the job.

There aren't many occasions during the year where a teacher would need to take more than a dew days off outside of school holidays.
The odd Friday for a hen/stag, a midweek day for a confirmation, & other than that I'm struggling to think of any other potential reasons for days off.

Doctors/dentist appointments & banking (three things I struggle to get time off for, when needed) can be done after school hours, so again, no days off needed.
I think taking a day or two like that unpaid over the course of the year is justified tbh.

And again, I don't begrudge teachers, I think they deserve every cent they get and the good ones are worth their weight in gold. I think their contribution to society is vastly undervalued.
But I do think they (rightly) reap many rewards for this hard work, and that it should be acknowledged.

2/3 unpaid days off a year on top of the extensive holidays they already get is a fair sacrifice, I think. I'd gladly take it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-05-2019 04:42PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

But a lot of other professions have the same problem, without the luxury of the nice holidays teachers enjoy.
For example, my company doesn't offer any sick leave. So if I or my child is sick, I have no choice but to take it unpaid.
Its just how it is. Many, many other companies are similar.

When I was in my early 20's I worked in pubs, clubs & restaurants. Getting time off at the weekends was out of the question, never mind Christmas/Bank Holidays etc.
It was just part of the parcel. Unfortunate, but something I knew going into the job.

There aren't many occasions during the year where a teacher would need to take more than a dew days off outside of school holidays.
The odd Friday for a hen/stag, a midweek day for a confirmation, & other than that I'm struggling to think of any other potential reasons for days off.

Doctors/dentist appointments & banking (three things I struggle to get time off for, when needed) can be done after school hours, so again, no days off needed.
I think taking a day or two like that unpaid over the course of the year is justified tbh.

And again, I don't begrudge teachers, I think they deserve every cent they get and the good ones are worth their weight in gold. I think their contribution to society is vastly undervalued.
But I do think they (rightly) reap many rewards for this hard work, and that it should be acknowledged.

2/3 unpaid days off a year on top of the extensive holidays they already get is a fair sacrifice, I think. I'd gladly take it.

But, like, those days can be impossible to get off for teachers sometimes. My sister’s wedding was on a Friday and one of my cousins who is a teacher could not get the day off to attend. He had to cross the country straight after work to make it to the dinner and only just about did. That day off for a wedding, hen/stag or confirmation might simply not be given. There’s not many jobs where that is the case.

Red Lightning · 10-05-2019 07:26PM

SusieBlue wrote:

I used to live with a primary school teacher who used to finish school at 1:30pm each day. One day a week she'd stay on until 3pm or so doing corrections, lesson planning, research & whatever else needed doing. Every other day of the week she'd be racing out the door the same time as the kids, without exception. I don't think its that uncommon.

I get that but I work as a GAA coach in primary schools and all the teachers that have junior and senior infants that will finish at that time have an incredibly draining age to work with. The time is obviously brilliant to be done for the day but one teacher in particular has probably one of the toughest classes I've ever seen. They could genuinely do with 3 extra resource teachers/SNA's in that class alone but he's doing it on his own. A lot of kids are under observation for special needs. I'm with them for 45 minutes once a week and I'm wrecked after it.

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-05-2019 07:33PM

ednwireland wrote: »

poland are restricting sunday trade in large shops - started this year (dont agree with anything that current gov. is doing -apart from that )

That sounds like an awful idea. Dark ages like above in Northern Ireland.

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-05-2019 07:35PM

Anyone who can deal with the ingrained badness that is children in this day and age deserves twice the pay and time off.

Sheehan123 · 28-11-2019 04:10PM

Noveight wrote: »

I'm a secondary teacher. It's a grand job.

Upsides:
Hours are nice. Holidays are too.
Pay isn't half bad, considering.
Very sociable job.

Downsides:
Some parents can be needlessly testy.
Teenagers can be twerps at times.

Overall, the good outweighs the bad by quite a distance.

Hi

. I am seriously thinking of becoming a secondary school teacher as i am in first year of college doing maths science at the moment and am not liking it. I’ve heard many people saying teaching has horrible salary for NQT’s and that the holidays aren’t as good as they seem. I’ve looked up the salary and it seems as if starting salary is 36,000 and highest salary is 69000. Is this correct? That seems very high given that the national average is 35000. Would you be able to give me an inside into this? Would you recommend me to go into teaching? Would you recommend primary or secondary? Thanks a million

Shady Grady · 28-11-2019 04:37PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I'm in a privileged position where I have got a good bit of time off work, just wondering how people who work very long hours cope.

I finished at 3pm on the button today, would normally be closer to 3.30pm by the time I get out, but was a bit lucky today. Also have what would be considered long holidays by private sector workers.
Just thinking about it this evening as I passed offices where hundreds of people are still going. Is any job worth giving say 45 hours a week to with only four weeks off a year? It surely can't be good for you, but a lot of people in the private sector are doing it and even more at times.

Bet you have hands like a woman. Wouldn't know what an honest hard earned day of work was.

chrissb8 · 28-11-2019 05:06PM

Shady Grady wrote: »

Bet you have hands like a woman. Wouldn't know what an honest hard earned day of work was.

Oof. Here we go.

Shady Grady · 28-11-2019 05:12PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

Oof. Here we go.

No,Ol'Shady said what I wanted to. Nothing more to add.

Sheehan123 · 28-11-2019 05:19PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I'm in a privileged position where I have got a good bit of time off work, just wondering how people who work very long hours cope.

I finished at 3pm on the button today, would normally be closer to 3.30pm by the time I get out, but was a bit lucky today. Also have what would be considered long holidays by private sector workers.
Just thinking about it this evening as I passed offices where hundreds of people are still going. Is any job worth giving say 45 hours a week to with only four weeks off a year? It surely can't be good for you, but a lot of people in the private sector are doing it and even more at times.

What’s your job title and where do you work if you don’t mind me asking? Also what type of salary are you on (no need to answer that if you don’t want) thanks

Stevieluvsye · 28-11-2019 05:31PM

I'm in a privileged position.

Flexible hours, can work from home as and when i want, 30 days annual leave. Private sector

Prefer being in the office as to working from home all the same

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 28-11-2019 06:11PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I'm in a privileged position where I have got a good bit of time off work, just wondering how people who work very long hours cope.

I finished at 3pm on the button today, would normally be closer to 3.30pm by the time I get out, but was a bit lucky today. Also have what would be considered long holidays by private sector workers.
Just thinking about it this evening as I passed offices where hundreds of people are still going. Is any job worth giving say 45 hours a week to with only four weeks off a year? It surely can't be good for you, but a lot of people in the private sector are doing it and even more at times.

You’re talking like these aren’t incredibly commonplace hours to do across most industries.

Samuel T. Cogley · 28-11-2019 06:49PM

Sheehan123 wrote: »

What’s your job title and where do you work if you don’t mind me asking? Also what type of salary are you on (no need to answer that if you don’t want) thanks

Head of printing procurement for the Dáil. At least PO level.

KilOit · 28-11-2019 06:50PM

8-4 with flexible working hours. Core time is 10am to 4pm 29 days annual leave with extra 13days off as flexi if you work more over 37hours.

I believe has a whole everyone should be moving towards flexible working hours to ease morning traffic etc

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