The National No Excuses Campaign

cannotlogin · 09-05-2019 08:27PM #1

New campaign launched today. I can't imbed the video but it's in the article below.

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this. Do we really need a video to tell us how to behave? Surely, the very few that need to understand the message, are those least likely to pay any attention to it. Very mixed thoughts on it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/justice-minister-launches-no-excuses-campaign-highlighting-sexual-harassment-attitudes-922936.html

James Brown · 09-05-2019 08:30PM

Anyone getting up to harassment know what they are doing. No harm with the campaign I suppose, but maybe missed the wave on this one?

idle · 09-05-2019 08:30PM

One of the few ads on TV at the moment that doesn’t have a diverse cast

pinkyeye · 09-05-2019 08:37PM

I found it a bit weird, it goes from slightly creepy behaviour to actual sexual assault in a matter of minutes and seems to imply that they're all as bad as each other.

Yeah, a bit freaky.

Your Face · 09-05-2019 08:54PM

Video is below.

I think its a good campaign.

Force Carrier · 09-05-2019 08:54PM

I'd like to help with the campaign but this is a really busy time of the year at work.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 09:00PM

I liken these campaigns to drink driving campaigns.

Almost all of us already know it’s wrong and very few of us do it, but it’s a message worth reinforcing regularly because it’s still a problem.

The main benefit is a very slow and gradual cultural change as opposed to having a direct impact on any one person’s decision-making process.

is_that_so · 09-05-2019 09:08PM

None of that resonated with me at all - some very odd scenarios.

Vincent Vega · 09-05-2019 09:08PM

Your Face wrote: »

Video is below.

I think its a good campaign.

Also a second vid with some of the common excuses to the individual incidents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9_MheuRxPM

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 09:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

None of that resonated with me at all - some very odd scenarios.

I’ve had the first situation in the bar happen more times than I could count. And any Dublin taxi driver will tell you horror stories like that last scene.

biko · 09-05-2019 09:12PM

metoo

mad muffin · 09-05-2019 09:24PM

New tricks

Junkyard Tom · 09-05-2019 09:25PM

There are a lot of fucking cunts in the world - if that video helps someone to say 'get your fucking hands off me' then good.

odyssey06 · 09-05-2019 09:31PM

Nobody seems to have told the judges ... when it comes to sentencing of someone actually convicted of an offence they find every excuse under the sun to be lenient.

But hey easier to make a video.

is_that_so · 09-05-2019 09:36PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I’ve had the first situation in the bar happen more times than I could count. And any Dublin taxi driver will tell you horror stories like that last scene.

Last one is really not at all clear. The ads for road safety work because they are precisely focused. This is just a random selection of situations with no clear and consistent message. Single situation ads would be a whole lot better. This is a kitchen sink effort.

09-05-2019 09:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

None of that resonated with me at all - some very odd scenarios.

it will have resonated with a lot of women. One-third of irish women between the ages of 18 and 34 have experienced an unwanted sexual advance in the last 12 months.

Not sure what the statistic on men is, but when I was going to school there was some mad craze to pull down a guy's trousers in front of others for the lolz. Incredibly odd, looking back.

Hal3000 · 09-05-2019 09:41PM

cannotlogin wrote: »

New campaign launched today. I can't imbed the video but it's in the article below.

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this. Do we really need a video to tell us how to behave? Surely, the very few that need to understand the message, are those least likely to pay any attention to it. Very mixed thoughts on it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/justice-minister-launches-no-excuses-campaign-highlighting-sexual-harassment-attitudes-922936.html

Unfortunately we do need people to tell us how to behave. We've become a race of disgusting half wits and we're not getting any smarter.

odyssey06 · 09-05-2019 09:42PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

it will have resonated with a lot of women. One-third of irish women between the ages of 18 and 34 have experienced an unwanted sexual advance in the last 12 months.

Is that an illegal act? What specific offence applies?

is_that_so · 09-05-2019 09:43PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

it will have resonated with a lot of women. One-third of irish women between the ages of 18 and 34 have experienced an unwanted sexual advance in the last 12 months.

Not sure what the statistic on men is, but when I was going to school there was some mad craze to pull down a guy's trousers in front of others for the lolz. Incredibly odd, looking back.

Yeah but the target seems to be poor behaviour by men so the ad kind of misses.

JupiterKid · 09-05-2019 09:44PM

It’s a good advert, in that it makes the viewer pause for thought.

Of all the scenarios depicted, I’d say the ones in the bar and the locker room constitute clear harassment. The others...well, it’s a pretty grey area, isn’t it?

And the last one where the guy is supposedly helping the very intoxicated young woman up off the ground is a tad menacing and unsettling. Is he really going to get her into a taxi to take her home or will he assault her?

I am going to class for yoga improvers at the moment and the (male) teacher has touched me and others to get us into the correct poses. Is he actually harassing us? I would like to think not.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 09:45PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Is that an illegal act? What specific offence applies?

It’s not illegal but it’s ****ty. What’s wrong with a campaign discouraging ****ty behaviour?

09-05-2019 09:45PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Is that an illegal act? What specific offence applies?

Assault.

People have been convicted for assault for a lot less, and I'd have thought this couldn't be a clearer example.

Mad_maxx · 09-05-2019 09:45PM

RTE are really really enthusiastic about these kind of stories - initiatives

is_that_so · 09-05-2019 09:48PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

It’s a good advert, in that it makes the viewer pause for thought.

Of all the scenarios depicted, I’d say the ones in the bar and the locker room constitute clear harassment. The others...well, it’s a pretty grey area, isn’t it?

And the last one where the guy is supposedly helping the very intoxicated young woman up off the ground is a tad menacing and unsettling. Is he really going to get her into a taxi to take her home or will he assault her?

Actually I had to stop and think what it was supposed to be about. Confused was my thought especially as it kicked off with an office situation.

That's the problem with the last one. She was so drunk she needed to be lifted off the ground anyway.

mzungu · 09-05-2019 09:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah but the target seems to be poor behaviour by men so the ad kind of misses.

The first scenario is a woman getting touchy with a co-worker so it's not aimed only at men.

I see no issue with the ad campaign.

pinkyeye · 09-05-2019 09:50PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Assault.

People have been convicted for assault for a lot less, and I'd have thought this couldn't be a clearer example.

An unwanted sexual advance is not assault??

is_that_so · 09-05-2019 09:52PM

mzungu wrote: »

The first scenario is a woman getting touchy with a co-worker so it's not aimed only at men.

I see no issue with the ad campaign.

It's the only one that's not and I've never seen that scenario played out like that ever. It's just got too many in it. Make multiple ads but focus them. As someone said earlier road traffic ads are a good example.

odyssey06 · 09-05-2019 09:53PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

It’s not illegal but it’s ****ty. What’s wrong with a campaign discouraging ****ty behaviour?

Id rather a campaign to secure convictions against the people who have committed an actual offence and put them off the streets behind bars for a long time.
I think that will have a massive effect on both *****ty behaviour and illegal behaviour. And is more reliable than a video. Predators dont give two hoots about a video, they'll laugh at it.

odyssey06 · 09-05-2019 09:54PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Assault.

People have been convicted for assault for a lot less, and I'd have thought this couldn't be a clearer example.

Every action profiled in the video is a criminal offence?

Hal3000 · 09-05-2019 09:55PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Id rather a campaign to secure convictions against the people who have committed an actual offence and put them off the streets behind bars for a long time.
I think that will have a massive effect on both *****ty behaviour and illegal behaviour. And is more reliable than a video. Predators dont give two hoots about a video, they'll laugh at it.

Yeah how about a campaign to stop letting people back out after pathetic sentences ?

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 09:56PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Id rather a campaign to secure convictions against the people who have committed an actual offence and put them off the streets behind bars for a long time.
I think that will have a massive effect on both *****ty behaviour and illegal behaviour. And is more reliable than a video. Predators dont give two hoots about a video, they'll laugh at it.

Why does it have to be one of the other?

There has been enormous cultural change in how Ireland views sex in the last 30-40 years and how it’s talked about in the media is a huge part of that.

The National No Excuses Campaign

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