Animal Hoarding - why?

Discodog · 07-05-2019 08:17AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I didn't know anything about her except for her online presence. She was pretty knowledgeable and had excellent advice.
You're obviously well versed regarding licensing and the skills that are needed regarding shelters and sanctuaries.
I'm not!
This case seemed to be a one person operation and it ended with disastrous suffering and death for the dogs. I was just shocked at the revelation that someone with a strong and a very very no nonsense attitude to animal ownership and responsibility ended up in court for animal cruelty. She, in the end was a classic know-all that berated anyone that owned dogs for the slightest mistake whom was infact doing wrong.

The incident was horrible but people are quick to forget that this person rehomed hundreds of dogs & many were breeds that are notoriously difficult to rehome. They were nothing like the "cat lady".

Discodog · 07-05-2019 08:27AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its a hidden crime. So its hard. And plus you have to find a way of caring for them all then.

You can find a farm of 200 dogs or more. Or 80 horses and have ZERO idea of who owns it or who has been there. And more than likely you will never find out.

If they have been keeping them in their own home it's likely they are not well. And so people will be sympathetic. Which i understand.

A lot isn't hidden. You can see animals being abused every day for example dogs left out to bark all day & never walked.

Anyone suspecting a hidden puppy farm or cruelty should report it.

https://www.ispca.ie/suspect_animal_cruelty/

The big problem is that the ISPCA & local SPCA's often don't get on plus no one knows who to contact. The ISPCA have more authority but they also only have around 5 inspectors for the whole country.

This is made far worse by the fact that the Irish public don't donate to animal charities to the level that, for example the UK donate to the RSPCA. But the Dogs Trust have proved that people will donate if they are actively approached & know what the money is spent on.

07-05-2019 09:32AM

Discodog wrote: »

The big problem is that the ISPCA & local SPCA's often don't get on plus no one knows who to contact.

Ah here, that's the kind of thing that really pisses people off. My local town has two animal charities, one of which is a splinter group from the other. I swear they seem to spend most of their time in Facebook passive-aggressively bitching about one another. It's all bored housewives who should really know better, but they're absolutely vicious at times.

BrokenArrows · 07-05-2019 10:33AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Imagine the smell.

Exactly. I have two cats and it's a lot of work to keep the house smell free.

I couldn't imagine dealing with anymore than two.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 10:43AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah here, that's the kind of thing that really pisses people off. My local town has two animal charities, one of which is a splinter group from the other. I swear they seem to spend most of their time in Facebook passive-aggressively bitching about one another. It's all bored housewives who should really know better, but they're absolutely vicious at times.

That can happen.

silverharp · 07-05-2019 10:47AM

it seems to be an American thing but one side part of this are attention seekers on social media referring to themselves as their pets's "mom"....shudders

Deebles McBeebles · 07-05-2019 11:42AM

everlast75 wrote: »

What stops governments getting their finger out and enforcing animal welfare?

F**king sick if reading stories of animal abuse.

No money in it. Why would they bother?

John_Rambo wrote: »

There was a popular poster on boards.ie that posted the most articulate and sensible posts about dogs, particularly bull breeds. She seemed to have an innate understanding about the nature of dogs and garnered respect from all the posters on the animals and pet forum. Some posters donated to the sanctuary.

I remember that person and was delighted to hear she had been punished. She had respect from some posters on the pets forum. not all but those who did saw her as some kind of animal whisperer. Just goes to show, a know-it-all on boards, is not always that in real life.

Discodog · 07-05-2019 11:51AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah here, that's the kind of thing that really pisses people off. My local town has two animal charities, one of which is a splinter group from the other. I swear they seem to spend most of their time in Facebook passive-aggressively bitching about one another. It's all bored housewives who should really know better, but they're absolutely vicious at times.

So true. A lot of the rescue owners had to give up a huge amount of their lives & money to fund their rescue. They can be very possessive & the dividing up of grant money causes conflict too

Discodog · 07-05-2019 12:00PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You can't be a one woman animal shelter. There is no replacement for one. They have multiple full time staff (animal welfare officers and other staff) a full time vet and specialized vets or services for certain animals. On top of that they have a team of volunteers some general volunteers and some with specialized skills.

You have to have a license for all this qualifications etc.

If you have 40 dogs its unlikely you have a license for all of them because you have to be inspected at that stage.

Most rescues don't have & don't need most of this. Also they have a group licence not one for every dog.

The cat lady is running a private zoo. A rescue should be focused on rehoming. The more animals you can rehome, the more you can rescue.

Discodog · 07-05-2019 12:03PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

No money in it. Why would they bother?

I remember that person and was delighted to hear she had been punished. She had respect from some posters on the pets forum. not all but those who did saw her as some kind of animal whisperer. Just goes to show, a know-it-all on boards, is not always that in real life.

You conveniently forget the hundreds of dogs that she saved over many years. Many of them breeds that other rescues wouldn't help.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 12:05PM

Discodog wrote: »

Most rescues don't have & don't need most of this. Also they have a group licence not one for every dog.

The cat lady is running a private zoo. A rescue should be focused on rehoming. The more animals you can rehome, the more you can rescue.

umkay

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 12:06PM

Discodog wrote: »

You conveniently forget the hundreds of dogs that she saved over many years. Many of them breeds that other rescues wouldn't help.

Why would you believe she saved them?

There is NO breed a rescue will not help. Pitbulls rotweilers you name it.

You sound like one of these people convinced official rescues can't or won't do it right. Its delusional.

And yes rescues do NEED vets and officers with experience in whatever animal they rescue etc. At least to supervise.

Rescues get Spiders snakes fish horses donkeys dogs cats birds etc. They need people who know what they are doing. Or they need to ask.

Deebles McBeebles · 07-05-2019 12:13PM

Discodog wrote: »

You conveniently forget the hundreds of dogs that she saved over many years. Many of them breeds that other rescues wouldn't help.

No, no, not conveniently forgotten at all. I appreciate that she did that but cannot excuse the unbelievably bad things she did too. She had some fall from that ivory tower she lived in.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 12:14PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

No, no, not conveniently forgotten at all. I appreciate that she did that but cannot excuse the unbelievably bad things she did too. She had some fall from that ivory tower she lived in.

Maybe she was under pressure or something.

She could have asked for help though.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 12:15PM

Anyway I am definitely NOT an expert with animals ..i just like to mess around with them when they let me

Deebles McBeebles · 07-05-2019 12:34PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Maybe she was under pressure or something.

She could have asked for help though.

Most likely. She should have asked for help instead of allowing what happened to happen.

John_Rambo · 07-05-2019 12:41PM

Discodog wrote: »

The incident was horrible but people are quick to forget that this person rehomed hundreds of dogs & many were breeds that are notoriously difficult to rehome. They were nothing like the "cat lady".

Yes of course. Excellent point. I don't think I made a "cat lady" reference. Maybe someone else did.

kowloon · 07-05-2019 04:58PM

What surprises me about the article in the first post is how the house isn't knee deep in litter and cat corpses.

07-05-2019 05:01PM

Who is this narcissistic cat-lady who lived in an ivory tower, and had so many cats she didn't know what to do?

Sounds like a daycent bit of scandal.

Foweva Awone · 07-05-2019 05:17PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Who is this narcissistic cat-lady who lived in an ivory tower, and had so many cats she didn't know what to do?

Sounds like a daycent bit of scandal.

Would love to know also!

Discodog · 07-05-2019 05:32PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why would you believe she saved them?

There is NO breed a rescue will not help. Pitbulls rotweilers you name it.

You sound like one of these people convinced official rescues can't or won't do it right. Its delusional.

And yes rescues do NEED vets and officers with experience in whatever animal they rescue etc. At least to supervise.

Rescues get Spiders snakes fish horses donkeys dogs cats birds etc. They need people who know what they are doing. Or they need to ask.

Because I witnessed it as did hundreds of others. She was extremely well known.

No one wanted those breeds when she started. Restricted breeds are always a problem.

You are delusional if you think that I don't know how rescues work. I have worked with many of them including the RSPCA & Dogs Trust.

Of course rescues use Vet services but you implied that they needed them on site.

The owner was highly experienced.

There are many rescues that are run by one or two people & they do great work. My own dog came from such a rescue.

Discodog · 07-05-2019 05:39PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Most likely. She should have asked for help instead of allowing what happened to happen.

Yes but people do make mistakes when illness is involved. When you take a balanced view she did a huge amount more good than harm. But she was never liked, for sometimes good reasons. As another poster pointed out the rescue community can be incredibly bitchy.

And rescues can easily become hoarders especially if they have an animal that is going to be hard to rehome.

Rubberchikken · 07-05-2019 05:44PM

people can genuinely feel theyre doing the right thing even though they may not have the resources.

seeing any animal ill treated is enough to bring me to a level of anger nothing else would arouse.

how anyone could do it is beyond me and so i can understand those who only want to help as many as they can.

Deebles McBeebles · 08-05-2019 10:50AM

Discodog wrote: »

Yes but people do make mistakes when illness is involved. When you take a balanced view she did a huge amount more good than harm. But she was never liked, for sometimes good reasons. As another poster pointed out the rescue community can be incredibly bitchy.

And rescues can easily become hoarders especially if they have an animal that is going to be hard to rehome.

You have a great deal more sympathy for her than I do obviously. I completely agree about the rescue community being bitchy though. Those are the kind of people (generally) who do it for FB likes rather than the love of animals.

Deebles McBeebles · 08-05-2019 10:52AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Who is this narcissistic cat-lady who lived in an ivory tower, and had so many cats she didn't know what to do?

Sounds like a daycent bit of scandal.

Foweva Awone wrote: »

Would love to know also!

Oh, oh oh, oh oh....mysterious girl.

Animal Hoarding - why?

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