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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    The exercises across the 3 days should be the same across all 6 weeks so assuming difference in B on squat day is a typo


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    What is the best way to warm up before this routine?

    A few minutes on rower or bike etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    What is the best way to warm up before this routine?

    A few minutes on rower or bike etc?

    By doing the movements with light weight and work up to working weights.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    By doing the movements with light weight and work up to working weights.

    For just the ‘main lift’ is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    For just the ‘main lift’ is it?

    No. The A, B, C are the more important elements. Warm up for each. Doesn't have to necessarily be a long extensive warm up but fundamentally, riding a bike won't really warm you up for squatting/benching/deadlifting. It'll get the blood flowing a bit more but you would still need to be working up your working weight.

    The level of warm up will depend on the load as well and the movement. You might not need to spend as long warming up with lunches. Or if you've done bench and incline bench is B, then you won't need much warm up. A bit to get used to the change of bar path.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    No. The A, B, C are the more important elements. Warm up for each. Doesn't have to necessarily be a long extensive warm up but fundamentally, riding a bike won't really warm you up for squatting/benching/deadlifting. It'll get the blood flowing a bit more but you would still need to be working up your working weight.

    The level of warm up will depend on the load as well and the movement. You might not need to spend as long warming up with lunches. Or if you've done bench and incline bench is B, then you won't need much warm up. A bit to get used to the change of bar path.


    Thanks. Do you mean 1,2 and 3. As in the first 3 exercises in each routine.

    So Day A is below.

    So warm up before EACH exercise 1,2 and 3. With a way lighter weight than I will be performing.

    To know the amount of time, let’s says I get to gym, first routine is a squat, how long should I warm up here. 2
    Mins or 6 minutes etc.



    Day A

    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Thanks. Do you mean 1,2 and 3. As in the first 3 exercises in each routine.

    So Day A is below.

    So warm up before EACH exercise 1,2 and 3. With a way lighter weight than I will be performing.

    To know the amount of time, let’s says I get to gym, first routine is a squat, how long should I warm up here. 2
    Mins or 6 minutes etc.



    Day A

    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12

    Yeah first 3 exercises will give you most return. Try to do all 5 but at least get 1-3 done.

    It's not a matter of how long to warm up per se.

    My warm up sets for main squat would probably include maybe 5 sets (40/60/80/100/115) before working sets at 125. Thing with front squat is working out what would be the weight for sets of 8. I'd have a fair idea of the ball park but you might need to work up in sets of 8 til you hit the mark. Might be 2-4 sets. I'd probably have 2 cos I have a good idea of range and would.just get used to the movement. But that shouldn't be taking all that long.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    In regard to Day B and the shoulder press. Should the shoulder press be done standing up with barbell?
    Or with dumbbells sitting down etc?


    Day B

    1) Bench press 5x8 (70%)
    2) Incline Bench 5x8
    3) Shoulder Press 5x8
    4) Skull Crusher 4x12
    5) Flys 4x12


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In regard to Day B and the shoulder press. Should the shoulder press be done standing up with barbell?
    Or with dumbbells sitting down etc?

    Either. Just pick one. Switch to the other if you run it again after the first 6 week block


  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭heno86


    I would recommend the full body routine 3 days a week, focusing on compound movements. pushing the intensity a bit higher on the last day of the week followed by an extended break. Ie 2 consecutive days


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    heno86 wrote: »
    I would recommend the full body routine 3 days a week, focusing on compound movements. pushing the intensity a bit higher on the last day of the week followed by an extended break. Ie 2 consecutive days


    is post number 31 a definition of this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    In regard to Day A and the 'lunge'
    What type of lunge are we talking about here?



    Day A

    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In regard to Day A and the 'lunge'
    What type of lunge are we talking about here?


    Day A

    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12

    Tom, I think we're into overthinking territory now. We're taking common-or-garden lunge :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Tom, I think we're into overthinking territory now. We're taking common-or-garden lunge :)

    I know, I know :( Probably my OCD.
    but just wondering if I should lunge with the barbell on my back or dumbbells down by my side or on a smith machine etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I know, I know :( Probably my OCD.
    but just wondering if I should lunge with the barbell on my back or dumbbells down by my side or on a smith machine etc

    Whatever suits. There are no right or wrong lunges. Just do the one that you can do properly. If that's with DBs, that's fine. You could move to using a barbell down the line.

    I'd avoid the smith machine just because you'll engage other muscles to stabilise that you may not use in the smith machine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    and last q for now.

    1, How long in time between each set? 1 minute?
    2. How long in time between moving to the different exercises? 2 minutes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    and last q for now.

    1, How long in time between each set? 1 minute?
    2. How long in time between moving to the different exercises? 2 minutes?

    As long as it takes. That might be 2 mins, it might be 5 mins.

    You'll feel the need to take longer between sets on A, a little less in B and C and you should.be grand with 60-90s between sets on D and E.

    But ultimately it's as long as you need to take to be able to get through the work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Just back from gym lads. Fooked. Could hardly walk down the stairs !!!

    Top was drowned in sweat. Tough going but good. First night at it.

    The lunge thing. So 5 sets of 8. I presume a lunge set is each leg.

    So set 1 = lunge on right foot and do 8. And then lunge on left foot and do 8.

    Then move on to set 2.

    Is this correct?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Yep...You can do 8 on one side and 8 on the other or alternate each rep. Either is right.

    The first day can be very tough cos you don't realise how hard it will be. You'll be mentally prepared for the battle next day out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭atilladehun


    Very sound lads on this part of boards


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Very sound lads on this part of boards

    Pretty much anyone that tries to help someone in this Forum has benefited from the help and and advice and soundness of the far more knowledgeable old guard that are no longer here and try to help others in turn.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Yep...You can do 8 on one side and 8 on the other or alternate each rep. Either is right.

    The first day can be very tough cos you don't realise how hard it will be. You'll be mentally prepared for the battle next day out.


    Stop yeah. First day was tough. Sweat dripping off me.

    In regard to exercise 2-5 (i.e. NOT the main lift) example below.

    Should the weight be increasing here after each week or just stay the same.


    Week 1
    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Stop yeah. First day was tough. Sweat dripping off me.

    In regard to exercise 2-5 (i.e. NOT the main lift) example below.

    Should the weight be increasing here after each week or just stay the same.


    Week 1
    1) Squat 5x8 (70%)
    2) Front squat 5x8
    3) Lunge 5x8
    4) Leg extension 4x12
    5) Calf raises 4x12

    If you can increase it, increase it, if you can't you can't. Don't increase for the sake of it and start missing reps


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    In again tonight.

    On my main lift at 5x8.

    First 3 sets were fine. Last 2 sets, only managed 7 and 6 reps.

    What does one do for next week on this. Just drop back a few kgs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In again tonight.

    On my main lift at 5x8.

    First 3 sets were fine. Last 2 sets, only managed 7 and 6 reps.

    What does one do for next week on this. Just drop back a few kgs?

    It's possible you used too high a number to calculate 70% of. Or maybe you needed more.rest between sets.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    It's possible you used too high a number to calculate 70% of. Or maybe you needed more.rest between sets.


    Yeah. So next week should I progress to week 2 and drop the weight or attempt week 1 again with a lower weight?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,575 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Yeah. So next week should I progress to week 2 and drop the weight or attempt week 1 again with a lower weight?

    Figure out what the correct 100% is and do the prescribed 100% of that.

    You shouldn't be missing reps on Day 1 so the max it was based off was likely too heavy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    I know I won’t be able to do 4 x 12 chin-ups at this stage.

    I need to build up to this.

    What could I do instead?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭bladespin



    What could I do instead?

    Use a band when you're running out.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    bladespin wrote: »
    Use a band when you're running out.


    Thanks.

    To be clear. Is a chin-up defined as going the whole way down (long arm chin up I suppose) or half way down?


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