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Re Ireland Banking crisis 2008

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  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    twinytwo wrote: »
    people going on multiple holidays a year. Loads of new cars.. again all on credit (for the most part). All well and good till the pay checks stopped coming in.

    remortgaging the house and pissing the money of new cars, fancy holidays and bottles of water infused with gold, just to show how wealthy people were.

    It really was a case of "All fur coats and no knickers" as people were desperate to show how successful they were when in reality, all they were successful in doing was convincing the bank to lend them more money or give them yet another credit card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    Saw an advert for Bishopstown Credit Union in Cork, a full advertising hoarding.

    Loans of up to €50,000 available.
    Unsecured.


    When credit unions are offering that when in reality they should be lending to member's with their savings used as security then it's a little disconcerting. Lend 50k to people if they have the collateral to cover it. That's simple prudence.

    You never know when the **** can hit the fan in the credit market's. Maybe bailing out the credit unions will be our Bailout 2.0
    If anything, the red flags are right up there in the advertising hoarding!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 bells of shandon


    The US banking system collapsed in 2008/9. Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve bought up the toxic loans of the banks and there were bank mergers, Lehmann Bros were allowed to collapse.
    The Fed creates the money, so it was able to create about $16 trillion to save the banks, even at large discounts the Fed can still show a profit. No austerity was imposed on the USA.
    The UK Bank OF England created £750 billion to buy the bad loans of its banks, when Alistair Darling was Chancellor of the Exchequer, it also received bank equity in return. George Osborne later sold these shares at a large discount to his buddies in the City, and was later duly rewarded.

    Mario Dragh at the European Central Bank, could have bought up all the debt of the Irish Banks,( he creates the money). He choose not to do so and instead subjected Ireland to a lifetime of debt and austerity.
    Mari Draghi has been buying bonds in the secondary market,(to avoid breaching the Treaties) for the past 3 years. He has spent about Euro 1.5 trillion, he creates the money from thin air.
    Ireland was deliberately punished to keep us subjugated by debt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,286 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The UK Bank OF England created £750 billion to buy the bad loans of its banks, when Alistair Darling was Chancellor of the Exchequer, it also received bank equity in return. George Osborne later sold these shares at a large discount to his buddies in the City, and was later duly rewarded.

    Just to be clear, the BoE QE programme was worth GBP 435 bn

    It was not spent on buying "bank's bad loans".

    It was mainly spent on buying Govt bonds.

    https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/quantitative-easing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,286 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The US banking system collapsed in 2008/9. Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve bought up the toxic loans of the banks and there were bank mergers, Lehmann Bros were allowed to collapse.
    The Fed creates the money, so it was able to create about $16 trillion to save the banks, even at large discounts the Fed can still show a profit. No austerity was imposed on the USA.

    Again, you seem to think the Fed engages in buying risky assets. They don't.

    The Fed's QE programme involved buying Govt bonds and mortgage-backed bonds (MBS).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 bells of shandon


    Geuze wrote: »
    Just to be clear, the BoE QE programme was worth GBP 435 bn

    It was not spent on buying "bank's bad loans".

    It was mainly spent on buying Govt bonds.

    https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/quantitative-easing
    Just to be clear, QE is the purchase of Govt bonds and other securities from the private banking system. This has no effect on inflation. The money is credited to bank reserves,which do not go into circulation, but between banks.
    QE may have an effect on keeping interest rates low and stimulate lending.
    Credit easing is the purchase of bad loans, at large discounts, which can go into circulation.
    A bank does not need reserves to lend, it needs credit worthy applicants.
    The Credit agreement, signed by the borrower (never co-signed by the bank) becomes a financial instrument and the Central bank creates the NEW money to cover it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    valoren wrote: »
    Saw an advert for Bishopstown Credit Union in Cork, a full advertising hoarding.

    Loans of up to €50,000 available.
    Unsecured.


    When credit unions are offering that when in reality they should be lending to member's with their savings used as security then it's a little disconcerting. Lend 50k to people if they have the collateral to cover it. That's simple prudence.

    You never know when the **** can hit the fan in the credit market's. Maybe bailing out the credit unions will be our Bailout 2.0
    If anything, the red flags are right up there in the advertising hoarding!
    you dont need to look much ex : all new developments 300k plus for mid range houses, on 30yr long loans. Most save up enough to cover deposit yet when $hit hits the fan and person loses job takes few months to be in the hole and start missing repayments, sure blame government for living outside the means is the norm.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    scamalert wrote: »
    you dont need to look much ex : all new developments 300k plus for mid range houses, on 30yr long loans. Most save up enough to cover deposit yet when $hit hits the fan and person loses job takes few months to be in the hole and start missing repayments, sure blame government for living outside the means is the norm.
    While living beyond one's means is certainly a big issue, we can certainly blame the government for locking down house construction out of panic and being one of the things that has made the housing market in Ireland stagnate and prices go through the roof.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Wibbs wrote: »
    While living beyond one's means is certainly a big issue, we can certainly blame the government for locking down house construction out of panic and being one of the things that has made the housing market in Ireland stagnate and prices go through the roof.

    And the previous shower gave constriction free reign and prices still went through the roof.

    For the past 30-40 increasing the supply of houses in this country has just led to more expensive houses, the only time house prices decrease is when the bubble bursts and that is only for a short while.

    Time for a new strategy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    scamalert wrote: »
    you dont need to look much ex : all new developments 300k plus for mid range houses, on 30yr long loans. Most save up enough to cover deposit yet when $hit hits the fan and person loses job takes few months to be in the hole and start missing repayments, sure blame government for living outside the means is the norm.

    Next issue will be when the interests rates go back up... just wait and see. Banks here are only waiting to jack them up.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wish I was an adult at the time of the crash. I was only 16 or 17 at the time.

    I'd love to know what the good times were like. How different was it to nowadays?

    Only thing I remember is there seemed to be more offers and bargains advertised on tv and the likes. Things like spar advertising 1 euro firelogs etc. But maybe that's only because my memory started to become concrete then?

    Nowadays the main topic seems to be the shortage of housing and how many poor people there are. Was there as much focus on poor people during the boom? Like now we have solidarity/pbp etc. all talking about how things are bad. Did these types only come in during 2011 or was it roughly the same during the boom?

    There was a 3 part documentary series on RTE in late 2006 called "In Search of the Pope's Children"
    It was presented by David McWilliams and looked at the country at the height of the boom
    It's worth watching to get a view of where we were at at the point.

    My wife and I bought our family home at the top of the boom and payed way too much for it like many others did.

    But personally I regard ourselves as being lucky compared to people these days doing the same, as we had no problem borrowing for the deposit and the mortgage itself and we got a tracker of ECB +0.9.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The US banking system collapsed in 2008/9. Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve bought up the toxic loans of the banks and there were bank mergers, Lehmann Bros were allowed to collapse.

    There was actually an attempt made to save Lehman's, pressure to find a buyer - they knew that if Lehman's fell, the contagion and panic would only cause further damage to everyone, in the end nothing could be done, so Lehman's went down
    The Fed creates the money, so it was able to create about $16 trillion to save the banks, even at large discounts the Fed can still show a profit. No austerity was imposed on the USA.

    It terms of the size of the banking sector in relation to the economy the US was not nearly as bad as e.g. Ireland, Iceland. The US managed to pull out of the crisis in 2 and a half years, well ahead of most others


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    What I dont understand. all these people who say we should have burnt the bond holders, Where did they propose we borrow money for the day to day running of the country? What bank is going to lend you money? That leaves you with the only other alternative, which was massive spending cuts, Like, slash and burn type cuts. like dramatically cutting 40% of the budget overnight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    What I dont understand. all these people who say we should have burnt the bond holders, Where did they propose we borrow money for the day to day running of the country? What bank is going to lend you money? That leaves you with the only other alternative, which was massive spending cuts, Like, slash and burn type cuts. like dramatically cutting 40% of the budget overnight

    I remember during the Lisbon Treaty Referendum build-up. Lifelong tax payer parasite, John Bruton, was on the radio saying we would be mad to reject it because it would be like refusing a cheap loan from the Bank Manager.

    What this guy likes to ignore is if I went to the bank manager to ask for a loan because I had no money, he’d tell me to cut my spending.

    I don’t know what he earned when he was taoiseach for a few weeks but I can guarantee you it was a lot less than the €150k plus he was taking as a pension at the time. :mad:


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