Two-thirds of people say Ireland is too politically correct

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 05:45PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nope. Angry frustrated white men is why we've got Trump, Brexit, Orban & others.

Anytime you hear the term " white men" used as a pejorative, you know your dealing with a thumping bore

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 05:45PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You said angry white men are responsible for Oban, Brexit and Trump. Patently not true as women have the vote.

Who's fuelling the bile? It's s angry white guys. Without them no Trump, Brexit, Orban, FN, Five Star, etc.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 29-04-2019 05:48PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Oh not this again. I told you loads of times about what I thought of drug related crime and how if someone leaves prison as an addict they will most likely commit more crimes to feed their habit regardless of the sentence they have served. I told you that one idea would be to treat the drug problem both in terms of addiction and causes of people turning to drugs. That would lower the crime rate. That's just one example of the measures I said would be a good idea. But you clearly didn't remember that when I said it in that thread so I cant expect you to remember it when I said it in this thread.

We do that already. We spend millions on it. You are confusing social fixes with justice when a crime was committed.

I never once made an excuse for criminality. If you can find one example of me excusing criminality, please post it in that thread an I'll address it (an idle threat because I know you won't find a single example of me excusing criminality)

You generally oppose incarceration and defend the criminality based on circumstances. Specific examples of “this isn’t so criminal” you dont quite say but you generally are hostile to all incarcerations. Getting you to commit to a system that isn’t vague virtue signalling is impossible.

I have nothing to add to the racist taxi driver thread. If it's the one where the guy attacked the driver then what's to say? Seems like a fairly clear cut case of a drunk man being racist and attacking a taxi driver.

What should happen to him? People who engaged in your kind of rhetoric (the racist guy might have had a hard life) were correctly dismissed as racist apologists in that thread.

Is my behaviour more evidence of PC gone mad, in your opinion? Even the things I didn't actually say?

This is fairly typical of the way you argue. In the previous thread you also lumped me in with some other guy who said something I didn’t say, here apparently I’m supposed to defend a position I didn’t say. It’s a loaded question.

I’ll take the rest of this to the other thread.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 05:51PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The media sells clicks. and in a world where there's no such thing as bad publicity, they were doing his bidding. 'The Media' isn't a big left wing conspiracy like you're making out. They publicised his message for him. If they wanted to hurt him they could have made the decision to not carry his message. But obviously they didn't do that.

In a small country - market like Ireland, the media are a tribe of their own, beit Peter casey or Jordan Peterson, to the last man and woman ( from colette browne to Philip boucher Hayes), they make sure to line up and express their disgust at these horrible Conservatives, thus signalling to the rest of the tribe that they are worthy and not heretics

Most of what you hear in the Irish media is liberals talking to other liberals and agreeing with each other

Plumbthedepths · 29-04-2019 05:52PM

Seathrun66 wrote:

Who's fuelling the bile? It's s angry white guys. Without them no Trump, Brexit, Orban, FN, Five Star, etc.

You're grasping now, loosen your hat. It's on too tight.

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 05:56PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Where do you see this 'resurgent racist ideology' gaining ground in any great numbers and do you perceive there to be an organised racist movement in Ireland?

AFD in Germany, Vox in Spain, FN in France, Lega in Italy, Law & Order in Poland, Fidesz in Hungary, etc. All in Parliament, some in government. With even more extreme stuff in the shadows.

Its not hard to find.

And thankfully not here. We really don't need another set of Blueshirts.

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 05:58PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Anytime you hear the term " white men" used as a pejorative, you know your dealing with a thumping bore

Maybe. But without that said demographic no Brexit, no Trump and much less elected idiocy.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 05:58PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Really? Not the corporations deciding to move their factories south of the border or overseas and lay off millions of employees? Or the profiteers of Wall St. Enabled by Republicans & Democrats equally. And they ain't the American left but the Centre and Right. The left has had no power in the US since the 1940s.

PC culture and identity politics has little interest in economics, its a cultural battleground , the architects of identity politics in America are disproportionately upper middle class coastal academics, minorities and the rights industry are often intellectual vanity projects for these people

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 06:00PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

PC culture and identity politics has little interest in economics, its a cultural battleground , the architects of identity politics in America are disproportionately upper middle class coastal academics, minorities and the rights industry are often intellectual vanity projects for these people

Tangential response. What about the corporations and bankers being the ones abandoning the working class?

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 06:02PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Where do you see this 'resurgent racist ideology' gaining ground in any great numbers and do you perceive there to be an organised racist movement in Ireland?

Everything mildly Conservative today is branded as the third reich reborn, the likes of the IONA institute are labelled "far right" and shown the kind of contempt reserved for Islamic state

The PC Left see fascism beside their milk when they open the fridge door

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 06:05PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Everything mildly Conservative today is branded as the third reich reborn, the likes of the IONA institute are labelled "far right" and shown the kind of contempt reserved for Islamic state

The PC Left see fascism beside their milk when they open the fridge door

You're listening to a few over-zealous undergraduate and academic annoying wannabee censors. That ain't the real world.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 06:05PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Maybe. But without that said demographic no Brexit, no Trump and much less elected idiocy.

Opinion masquerading as fact

meeeeh · 29-04-2019 06:07PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Who's fuelling the bile? It's s angry white guys. Without them no Trump, Brexit, Orban, FN, Five Star, etc.

Orban has 2/3 majority, his support is aot stronger than angry white men. Five Star movement is populist but not like Northern League. Italian politics is also a mess, historically political parties suffered from corruption and mafia links, unstable governments and frankly I don't think Italians ever properly dealt witn fascist undercurrent, it was always there people only notice it more now. To reduce this to 'angry white men' is simplistic and a bit ignorant, reasons are often historical, economic and a lot deeper.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 06:08PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Tangential response. What about the corporations and bankers being the ones abandoning the working class?

Seperate issue but the Democrats have keyed into the middle class progressive movement at the expense of focusing on their traditional blue collar base

These identity politics merchants today have more political influence than miners or brickies

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 06:09PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Opinion masquerading as fact

Nope. Widely available electoral demographics.

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 06:13PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Orban has 2/3 majority, his support is aot stronger than angry white men. Five Star movement is populist but not like Northern League. Italian politics is also a mess, historically political parties suffered from corruption and mafia links, unstable governments and frankly I don't think Italians ever properly dealt witn fascist undercurrent, it was always there people only notice it more now. To reduce this to 'angry white men' is simplistic and a bit ignorant, reasons are often historical, economic and a lot deeper.

Orban - 44.87% is not two thirds.

And none of the far right are succeeding without the support of the frustrated male white population. It just ain't happening.

29-04-2019 06:13PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Very good points and I broadly agree. But with a minor proviso. Personally I'll don't harangue straight white males, of which I am one. But I do criticise those angry white males full of bile who are the proponents and lifeblood of this resurgent racist ideology that is globally gaining ground. It saddens me that the true causes of our recent recession and continuing woes have successfully diverted attention elsewhere.

im with you!

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 06:13PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Seperate issue but the Democrats have keyed into the middle class progressive movement at the expense of focusing on their traditional blue collar base

These identity politics merchants today have more political influence than miners or brickies

On that we can agree.

meeeeh · 29-04-2019 06:27PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Orban - 44.87% is not two thirds.

And none of the far right are succeeding without the support of the frustrated male white population. It just ain't happening.

2/3 of seats in the parliament and considering their electoral system it's huge. Btw were you actually ever in Hungary? Almost all population is white so I don't know what color did you expect male or female population to be.

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 07:25PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nope. Widely available electoral demographics.

No such demographic as "angry white men"

Mad_maxx · 29-04-2019 07:27PM

meeeeh wrote: »

2/3 of seats in the parliament and considering their electoral system it's huge. Btw were you actually ever in Hungary? Almost all population is white so I don't know what color did you expect male or female population to be.

Been to Hungary myself several times on business though not since Orban came to power, my least favourite county I've ever visited

El_Duderino 09 · 29-04-2019 08:03PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm very open to any suggestion to reduce criminality.

Well crime isn't randomly distributed across society. It had lots of causal factors both biological and environmental. We know certain types of crime is concentrated in areas with some key characteristics. Low education, low social mobility etc. So that's a place start. Focus on education and social mobility.

We know drug addiction leads to higher rates of crime. So we can deal with the factors that lead to higher rates of drug use and drug addiction itself.

Those are 2 ways to address crime rates. Note I didn't say it would be a quick fix. Note I didn't say it would eradicate crime. Note I didn't excuse any crime.

Nobelium · 29-04-2019 08:18PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Another thread taking a jab at anyone who isnt white/straight/virgin loser

1,000 people surveyed at a rural area - WOW

Truly this means we need to ban homosexuals and be allowed to abuse black taxi drivers. This is the only way to save ireland

Another self hating, just as racist, SJW . . . just what the discussion needed.

It's ok to be white, and not living in Dublin . . .so get over yourself.

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 10:46PM

meeeeh wrote: »

2/3 of seats in the parliament and considering their electoral system it's huge. Btw were you actually ever in Hungary? Almost all population is white so I don't know what color did you expect male or female population to be.

Again its under 45% of the vote. Parliamentary representation not relevant. Tories have formed governments on 35%.

And yes, I've been to Hungary several times. Also eleven other countries in the ex-Warsaw Pact States. What's the relevance of that? Or indeed of expectation of racial demographics?

Seathrun66 · 29-04-2019 10:49PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No such demographic as "angry white men"

You sure? Check Paddy Powers on Saturday afternoon.

ogsjw · 29-04-2019 10:56PM

Nobelium wrote: »

Another self hating, just as racist, SJW . . . just what the discussion needed.

Did you quote the right post because I'm not seeing what you're seeing...

Nobelium · 29-04-2019 11:32PM

ogsjw wrote: »

Did you quote the right post because I'm not seeing what you're seeing...

That wouldn't be a big surprise

Danzy · 29-04-2019 11:44PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

You sure? Check Paddy Powers on Saturday afternoon.

You sound like the modern type of activist who after the first 2 pints will be on about Zionists when they see a person with a yarmulke but at no.5 will be raving about kikes

Seathrun66 · 30-04-2019 12:48AM

Danzy wrote: »

You sound like the modern type of activist who after the first 2 pints will be on about Zionists when they see a person with a yarmulke but at no.5 will be raving about kikes

Ad hominem & tangentalism in one off-topic sentence. I applaud your dedication to absurdity.

sk8erboii · 30-04-2019 02:50AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Ad hominem & tangentalism in one off-topic sentence. I applaud your dedication to absurdity.

‘ME USE BIG WORDS THAT DONT EXIST. ME TOP ZINGER HURRR HURR’

Two-thirds of people say Ireland is too politically correct

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