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Have we reach peak LGBT nonsense?

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  • #1022
    [Deleted User]
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    antiskeptic wrote: »
    I can't say whether they would go, since their gayness isn't the only thing in play. But their not repenting of their gayness needn't prevent them from going to heaven.

    As my waffle points out.
    And point dodged.
    antiskeptic wrote: »
    It was more a commentary of your own faith-based belief system (a.k.a. empiricism).
    And again.

    You claimed that there was some rational reasons to be fearful about the current climate of sexual fluidity.

    Detail these.
    Show us why they should be taken anymore seriously than say the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church.
    Otherwise, that's the category they are in.


  • #1023
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    stefanovich wrote: »
    They are telling me I need to conform to their version of reality.

    Then the issue is yours not theirs.

    They are saying "this is who I am".
    You want them to conform to who you want them to be.
    You want to impose your version of reality on someone else's life.

    You don't get to do that.


  • #1024
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Nobelium wrote: »
    People can call themselves whatever they like, that's their own business . . . issues do arise however when an attempt is made to force other people to call a biological male a female, or a biological female a male.
    What issues exactly? And where precisely are people "forced" to refer to people with penises as males, and vaginas as females?

    And how does one check to make sure that the physical disposition of somebody's genitalia conforms exactly with the pronoun which they suggest they'd like third parties to use?


  • #1025
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Nobelium wrote: »
    People can identify themselves as whatever they like, that's their own business . . . issues can and do arise however when an attempt is made to force other people by law to refer to a biological male as a female, or refer to a biological female as a male as occurred in Canada with the C16 bill.

    Exactly what effect does that have on you?
    Zero.

    It's not your body.
    It's not your life.
    No-one is forcing anyone to call you anything you don't wish to be called.


  • #1026
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    antiskeptic wrote: »
    I'm afraid that won't do. An argument can be labelled simplistic and inaccurate because it is simplistic and inaccurate - not because the person pointing it out is being patronising. This isn't some lucky dip where you comment only on what you want to comment on. You make statements, the statements are challenged, you respond to defend/clarify or take on board that your own thinking might need to alter to include something closer to the reality of things.

    You have thunk this would be welcomes. Surely you'd prefer to rail against Christianity than in a cardboard cut out version of Christianity. Arguing against the former argues against something that exists. Arguing against the latter .. what's the point?

    Your arguments are based on a book written thousands of years ago which the majority of it's adherents pick and choose which bits are relevant and which can be ignored so I don't think you are in any position to dictate what is, and is not, simplistic and inaccurate. Not to mention needing to have a good hard look at the reality of things...


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  • #1027
    antiskeptic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    King Mob wrote: »
    And point dodged.

    How so? I can't say (certainly not with any degree of accuracy about a person I don't know) whether a person will be saved or not?

    If they repent (as outlined) then yes. If not no. How would I know whether they repented (as outlined) or not. Even if they told me they did that wouldn't mean they did.


    And again.


    You claimed that there was some rational reasons to be fearful about the current climate of sexual fluidity.

    Detail these.[/quote]

    I can't detail my rational to someone using English when they only speak French. They simply wouldn't understand what I'm saying. It would sound like gobbeldy gook to them. Indeed, you often say and show something along those lines, that Christianity is gobbeldy gook to you
    Show us why they should be taken anymore seriously than say the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church.

    Why have you excluded your own beliefs from this. Why should I take your beliefs more seriously than those of WBC?

    Oh yeah. "Us" The presumed position. The majority rule. The "we come along way from that". Lot's of fluff, so little substance.


  • #1028
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Exactly what effect does that have on you?
    Zero.

    It's not your body.
    It's not your life.
    No-one is forcing anyone to call you anything you don't wish to be called.

    Can you show me where I claimed :

    What effect it has on me

    Someone else's body was mine
    Someone else's life was mine
    Someone was forcing anyone to call me anything I don't wish to be called.

    After you've done that care to address the actual post that was made instead of attempting another ignorant and piss poor lazy strawman distraction ?


  • #1029
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Then the issue is yours not theirs.

    They are saying "this is who I am".
    You want them to conform to who you want them to be.
    You want to impose your version of reality on someone else's life.

    You don't get to do that.

    Okay, so I suppose all new born babies should be marked as gender undefined until they are old enough to decide whether they are a girl or a boy?

    I think there are a lot of left wing parents participating in what can only be described as child abuse. Confusing their children about gender and sex. Little boys running around in dresses with makeup on.

    If you have a penis you are male. A vagina you are female. I suppose a hermaphrodite might be the exception.

    I think adults getting confused about their gender have other issues going on.


  • #1030
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Can you show me where I claimed :

    What effect it has on me

    Someone else's body was mine
    Someone else's life was mine
    Someone was forcing anyone to call me anything I don't wish to be called.

    After you've done that care to address the actual post that was made instead of attempting a piss poor lazy strawman ?

    Care to explain your exact issue with Canada's law?

    What does it matter to you if someone wishes to be identified as a gender other than the one they were biologically born with?
    Why shouldn't Canada recognise they have this right?


  • #1031
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    antiskeptic wrote: »
    How so? I can't say (certainly not with any degree of accuracy about a person I don't know) whether a person will be saved or not?

    If they repent (as outlined) then yes. If not no. How would I know whether they repented (as outlined) or not. Even if they told me they did that wouldn't mean they did.

    I can't detail my rational to someone using English when they only speak French. They simply wouldn't understand what I'm saying. It would sound like gobbeldy gook to them. Indeed, you often say and show something along those lines, that Christianity is gobbeldy gook to you

    Why have you excluded your own beliefs from this. Why should I take your beliefs more seriously than those of WBC?

    Oh yeah. "Us" The presumed position. The majority rule. The "we come along way from that". Lot's of fluff, so little substance.
    More waffle and dodging.
    Your hateful beliefs are on the pile with fiction and delusion.

    There is no rational fears to be had about people with non conforming genders.
    These fears only exist in the minds of the ignorant and hateful.


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  • #1032
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Care to explain your exact issue with Canada's law?

    What does it matter to you if someone wishes to be identified as a gender other than the one they were biologically born with?
    Why shouldn't Canada recognise they have this right?

    Where did I say it matter to me if someone wishes to be identified as a gender other than the one they were biologically born with?

    Where did I say Canada shouldn't recognise they have this right?

    Care to address the actual subject and what is actually posted instead of the poster - Let's see . . . I bet not.

    Typically, you haven't answered any of the actual questions or replied to the actual post, and instead created another straw man, refused to answer anything you were asked first, and then tried to deflect any question with a question.

    This is pretty low quality stuff. I don't think you get the whole discussion thing do you.


  • #1033
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,243 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    antiskeptic wrote: »
    Being is wrong as in not per God's original intent.

    How can you write stuff like that in this forum? What is god's original intent? How do you know?
    I don't see myself being wrong because I was born a sinner. I didn't do anything as such to be one.

    How can you write this stuff with a straight face? What is a sin? How can one be born with sin? How can you be with sin if you didn't do anything as such to be one? How can a newborn baby commit a sin? How can anyone be condemned to hell on the basis of sin if one is born with sin?


  • #1034
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Care to explain your exact issue with Canada's law?

    What does it matter to you if someone wishes to be identified as a gender other than the one they were biologically born with?
    Why shouldn't Canada recognise they have this right?

    They are removing the right to free speech from others. They are enshrining in law something which is objectively not true. They are making truth a crime.


  • #1035
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Okay, so I suppose all new born babies should be marked as gender undefined until they are old enough to decide whether they are a girl or a boy?

    I think there are a lot of left wing parents participating in what can only be described as child abuse. Confusing their children about gender and sex. Little boys running around in dresses with makeup on.

    If you have a penis you are male. A vagina you are female. I suppose a hermaphrodite might be the exception.

    I think adults getting confused about their gender have other issues going on.
    Could you detail the research and reading you have done before you came to your conclusions?
    What qualifications in psychology do you have?


  • #1036
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    King Mob wrote: »
    Could you detail the research and reading you have done before you came to your conclusions?
    What qualifications in psychology do you have?

    Basic biology. Massively high suicide rate among transgendered people.


  • #1037
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Okay, so I suppose all new born babies should be marked as gender undefined until they are old enough to decide whether they are a girl or a boy?

    I think there are a lot of left wing parents participating in what can only be described as child abuse. Confusing their children about gender and sex. Little boys running around in dresses with makeup on.

    If you have a penis you are male. A vagina you are female. I suppose a hermaphrodite might be the exception.

    I think adults getting confused about their gender have other issues going on.

    How does this affect your life?

    Personally, I think parents who teach children that if they don't behave a certain way they will burn for eternity are committing child abuse.
    Parents who bring their children to conversion therapy are guilty of child abuse.

    Are you equally incensed about those (often right-wing) parents?


  • #1038
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Typically, you haven't answered any of the actual questions or replied to actual post, and tried to deflect any question with a question.
    This is pretty low quality stuff.

    Indeed.

    Low quality stuff to bring up a law in Canada and then refuse to explain what your actual problem is with that law.


  • #1039
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Basic biology. Massively high suicide rate among transgendered people.
    Ok, what qualifications do you have in biology?

    Do you have none in psychology?

    What research exactly have you done in the topic of the suicide rate of trans people?


  • #1040
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    How does this affect your life?

    Personally, I think parents who teach children that if they don't behave a certain way they will burn for eternity are committing child abuse.
    Parents who bring their children to conversion therapy are guilty of child abuse.

    Are you equally incensed about those (often right-wing) parents?

    I suppose you'd call me right wing. I am not religious. Of course if a parent is telling their child they are going to hell they are not right in the head.

    I do not see the same cultural push towards these religious views so they are less worrying.


  • #1041
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok, what qualifications do you have in biology?

    Do you have none in psychology?

    What research exactly have you done in the topic of the suicide rate of trans people?

    You are having a giraffe.


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  • #1042
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    You are having a giraffe.
    Ah ok.
    You hold no qualifications in biology or psychology and you haven't done any research.
    I misunderstood you.

    So why do you think your opinion is at all supported or sound when you have no basis for understanding a very complex topic?


  • #1043
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Low quality stuff to bring up a law in Canada and then refuse to explain what your actual problem is with that law.

    I'm interested in an actual discussion about what I actually posted, not low ball juvenile attempts at pretending what I posted.


  • #1044
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ah ok.
    You hold no qualifications in biology or psychology and you haven't done any research.
    I misunderstood you.

    So why do you think your opinion is at all supported or sound when you have no basis for understanding a very complex topic?

    40 years in this world, observing reality.


  • #1045
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    stefanovich wrote: »
    40 years in this world, observing reality.

    So anecdotal is your entire argument that you have a pretty specialist knowledge.


  • #1046
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    batgoat wrote: »
    So anecdotal is your entire argument that you have a pretty specialist knowledge.

    The doctor lift the baby up high, eyes the genitalia and announces "It a ?".

    I suppose he's misgendering the poor thing?

    You are just pushing your cultural marxist agenda.


  • #1047
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    stefanovich wrote: »
    They are removing the right to free speech from others. They are enshrining in law something which is objectively not true. They are making truth a crime.

    If I am reading this correctly your problem is that when you disagree with how someone else is living their life your right to say what you like is being trumped by their right to live their lives as they wish?

    Even though how they live their life has no actual impact on your life...


  • #1048
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    batgoat wrote: »
    So anecdotal is your entire argument that you have a pretty specialist knowledge.

    Your argument is entirely based on made up nonsense from the last 10 years.


  • #1049
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Nobelium wrote: »
    I'm interested in an actual discussion about what I actually posted, not low ball juvenile attempts at pretending what I posted.

    Again, you have failed to explain why you think a law in Canada is relevant or what your actual issue with it is...

    I didn't bring it up for discussion. You did. And now you refuse to discuss it.


  • #1050
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    If I am reading this correctly your problem is that when you disagree with how someone else is living their life your right to say what you like is being trumped by their right to live their lives as they wish?

    Even though how they live their life has no actual impact on your life...

    But it does, they are trying to change how we define the world.


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  • #1051
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Again, you have failed to explain why you think a law in Canada is relevant or what your actual issue with it is...

    I didn't bring it up for discussion. You did. And now you refuse to discuss it.

    The problem is you supposed liberals are all about removing peoples right to say what they think. You are nothing but closet fascists.


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