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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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  • #782
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    When people who are in Direct Provision in order to get out of whatever they’re facing in their own country are being called ‘freeloaders’ then I wouldn’t call that a ‘discussion’, it’s a rant.

    Sorry, "whatever" doesn't cut it as a valid reason.

    People should only be in direct provision if they are escaping war/persecution. The system is not meant to house those fleeing for economic reasons.

    The reason many might legitimately raise an eyebrow at anyone claiming asylum here is the fact that Ireland is located a great distance from active war zones with no direct transport links. One would have to transit (many) safe countries to reach the island. The bogus nature of the vast majority of applicants is borne out by the statistics, something like 1 in 10 are considered genuine.

    Everyone has their case heard within 18 months. Anyone in the system longer has been rejected and is appealing.


  • #783
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Sorry, "whatever" doesn't cut it as a valid reason.

    People should only be in direct provision if they are escaping war/persecution. The system is not meant to house those fleeing for economic reasons.

    The reason many might legitimately raise an eyebrow at anyone claiming asylum here is the fact that Ireland is located a great distance from active war zones with no direct transport links. One would have to transit (many) safe countries to reach the island. The bogus nature of the vast majority of applicants is borne out by the statistics, something like 1 in 10 are considered genuine.

    Everyone has their case heard within 18 months. Anyone in the system longer has been rejected and is appealing.

    Ireland is a soft touch, Irish citizens the heavy price


  • #784
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I just watched him on the week in politics calling DP centres prisons.
    He said Genuine refugees should be treated with respect and the applications dealt with in a timely manner.
    He also said we should concentrate on taking our refugees from war torn countries, what is racist about that .
    He never called them freeloaders

    I’m not talking about what he said on TWIP.

    I asked you were you paying any attention to the thread and quite clearly you’re not.

    He may not have called them freeloaders on TWIP but he has called them freeloaders.


  • #785
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I’m not talking about what he said on TWIP.

    I asked you were you paying any attention to the thread and quite clearly you’re not.

    He may not have called them freeloaders on TWIP but he has called them freeloaders.

    I'm just not paying attention to your nonsense


  • #786
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I'm just not paying attention to your nonsense

    Good one. Can tell you stayed up all night to come up with that zinger.

    He called them freeloaders. It’s a fact. It’s in this thread. Go and find it.


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  • #787
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Ireland is a soft touch, Irish citizens the heavy price

    I wouldn't agree with that. The direct provision system was designed to be as unpalatable for bogus refugees as possible whilst still meeting Ireland's international obligations. To that end, the system had been quite successful, the number of people seeking refuge in Ireland plummeted in the wake of the DP system implementation as word got out that Ireland was no longer a soft touch.

    The media coverage of the DP system is completely skewed away from the reality of how it works, and how it generates the outcomes that it does. When there is a story of how someone is in the system for say eight years, there rarely if ever is a mention that they are on their Nth appeal, but plenty of mention that Ireland treats these foreigners like defacto criminals.


  • #788
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Good one. Can tell you stayed up all night to come up with that zinger.

    He called them freeloaders. It’s a fact. It’s in this thread. Go and find it.

    The man spoke on television in the last hour and spoke on direct provision I'll think I'll take him on his word if that's ok with you.


  • #789
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    Yeh, and you are not really trying to demean women either by plucking one thing about their life out to highlight or to highlight their sexuality.

    She's openly gay and won the ROT, both facts. Now are you going to apologise for telling lies?


  • #790
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    The man spoke on television in the last hour and spoke on direct provision I'll think I'll take him on his word if that's ok with you.

    The post that started this whole conversation off linked to an IT article where Casey used the term.


  • #791
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Faugheen wrote:
    How is that post any different to what you said about Maria Walsh and the voters she might represent?

    Are you going to address the lies you posted about me? A simple yes or no.


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  • #792
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    The post that started this whole conversation off linked to an IT article where Casey used the term.

    Yes but he had changed his mind or articulated himself better in the last hour.
    So I'll take what he said today as genuine.
    From what he said today was he is favour of helping genuine refugees.


  • #793
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you going to address the lies you posted about me? A simple yes or no.

    What lies are those, exactly?

    I’ve given you my reasons for believing that you are a racist. All I’ve seen you say is that I’m lying.

    Explain how I’m lying and we’ll talk about it. Until then my belief remains based on your posts and your continued defence of Casey and his views.


  • #794
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Yes but he had changed his mind or articulated himself better in the last hour.
    So I'll take what he said today as genuine.
    From what he said today was he is favour of helping genuine refugees.

    He didn’t change his mind.

    He didn’t address the ‘freeloaders’ comment at all.

    Either way, what’s he going’s to do about it? F*ck all.


  • #795
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Faugheen wrote:
    You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

    Faugheen wrote:
    Therefore I believe you are a racist.


    You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.


  • #796
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.

    Why are you voting for Casey if none of the above are true or are in anyway representative of your values?


  • #797
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Faugheen wrote: »
    He didn’t change his mind.

    He didn’t address the ‘freeloaders’ comment at all.

    Either way, what’s he going’s to do about it? F*ck all.

    He was referring to bogus applications who use the appeal system to drag out the process by years.
    These people take the opportunities from genuine refugees we could be helping.
    Bogus applications for refugee status are freeloaders what would you call them?


  • #798
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Faugheen wrote:
    Explain how I’m lying and we’ll talk about it. Until then my belief remains based on your posts and your continued defence of Casey and his views.


    You have attributed comments to me I never uttered and further to this you have called me a racist based on lies you have attributed to me. A disgusting pathetic means of discussion.


  • #799
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.

    Your no racist plumb, you were just winning the argument


  • #800
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Charles Ingles wrote:
    Your no racist plumb, you were just winning the argument


    Fortunately there is only a couple of posters here who engage in these tactics.


  • #801
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You have attributed comments to me I never uttered and further to this you have called me a racist based on lies you have attributed to me. A disgusting pathetic means of discussion.

    Are you going to cry to mods about it?

    Give me a reason to believe otherwise and I’ll apologise. So far all you’ve done is call me a liar but you haven’t actually disputed what I’ve said.


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  • #802
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Faugheen wrote:
    Give me a reason to believe otherwise and I’ll apologise. So far all you’ve done is call me a liar but you haven’t actually disputed what I’ve said.

    I have disputed the comments you attributed to me. All you have done now is reinforced in my mind and that of others that you are openly willing to lie. As I said pathetic behaviour.


  • #803
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have disputed the comments you attributed to me. All you have done now is reinforced in my mind and that of others that you are openly willing to lie. As I said pathetic behaviour.

    You haven’t disputed them.

    Tell me why you’re voting Casey but you’re not a racist?

    Did you expect the conversation to go like:

    “You’re a liar”
    “Oh, ok, sorry.”


  • #804
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Faugheen wrote:
    You haven’t disputed them.


    I didn't say them, you claimed I did but have so far being unable to back up your claim. Now I'm putting you on ignore, I don't engage with liars.


  • #805
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I didn't say them, you claimed I did but have so far being unable to back up your claim. Now I'm putting you on ignore, I don't engage with liars.

    So a refusal to tell me why I’m lying.

    You don’t have to say the comments to know what’s going on here. Like I said before, if you would explain why I was wrong in my beliefs and thoughts then I would withdraw them and apologise.

    However, since you won’t, then I can live with the fact that I’m correct in my assertions.

    I asked you to dispute my beliefs based on your mannerisms shown so far, and you haven’t. Tells me everything I need to know and that people like that are cowards to don’t like being told the truth.


  • #806
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,121 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    She's openly gay and won the ROT, both facts. Now are you going to apologise for telling lies?
    Look, you might think you are getting away with the disparaging remarks but it is clear what you are trying to do. That she is gay and won a contest does not define her.

    Casey did the same thing, came out with a generalised rant and let the rabble do the rest.


  • #807
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Look, you might think you are getting away with the disparaging remarks but it is clear what you are trying to do. That she is gay and won a contest does not define her.

    Casey did the same thing, came out with a generalised rant and let the rabble do the rest.

    No no, Francie, both are completely different.

    Can’t believe we’re on the same side of a debate, btw.


  • #808
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You haven’t disputed them.

    Tell me why you’re voting Casey but you’re not a racist?

    Did you expect the conversation to go like:

    “You’re a liar”
    “Oh, ok, sorry.”
    In fairness if you're laying an accusation it's up to you to demonstrate proof.
    If you can't prove it then yes, you should apologise.


  • #809
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    Look, you might think you are getting away with the disparaging remarks but it is clear what you are trying to do. That she is gay and won a contest does not define her.


    Francie any chance you'd address your lie where you claimed I likened the president to a monkey?


  • #810
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    In fairness if you're laying an accusation it's up to you to demonstrate proof.
    If you can't prove it then yes, you should apologise.

    Plumb said without foundation that people will vote for Maria Walsh because she’s gay and won the ROT. They have no proof of that?

    I’m saying that people will vote for Casey because he speaks their racist views.

    I’ve asked that poster numerous times to just simply say: ‘I’m not voting for Casey because of his racist views’ and they didn’t.


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  • #811
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,862 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Faugheen wrote:
    No, people who vote for someone who rants about foreigners and travellers with no actual plans to tackle those 'issues' are the fools.
    What are those people voting for?
    People are very quick to ask me what I vote for when nobody likes to give me any answers themselves.
    They are protest voting against the powers that be is one reason. They are fed up voting for people who never tell the truth is another.
    Casey says it as the ordinary man in rural Ireland sees it, the rest are just lying as per usual.


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