Avengers: Endgame [** SPOILERS FROM POST 613 **]

Seen it last night, ho Lee chit.
Great end to the saga and very well done, couldn't help but smile when Mjolnir flew back into caps hand.

Regarding power levels, Thor was massively out of shape and depressed, likely ****ing around with his power level.

For Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, the weapons themselves aren't as powerful as people seem to think, they're a focal point for Thor's power, plus the enchantment on Mjolnir giving whoever is worthy his power as well.


Captain Marvel is also supposed to be overpowered, she's basically Marvel's Superman.

Thor is the power not his weapons. Odin told him Mjolnir was only a supplement Thor could go hand to hand with Hela/her army without any weapon and still use his lightning.

Stormbreaker is stronger than Mjolnir and can channel the Bifrost but again it is Thor himself that provides the vast majority of the power.

I saw it last night and while I don't want to oversell what is still ostensibly a silly superhero film, I kinda want to as well.

I don't see that many films in the cinema. It's pretty much just blockbusters.
With that caveat, it was probably the most riveting, thrilling and enjoyable film I've ever seen at the cinema.

Nobody's getting oscars for this, because that's just the nature of the beast, but I thought by any standards, the performances were brilliant. To a large extent you don't really get the emotional payoff in Infinity War, because it's just happened. It's this film where I think that is all payed off. In the back of your mind you know everything is going to be "fine", but seeing the characters live through their new reality was really compelling, and Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and RDJ really sold it fantastically. Their performances as straight characters were brilliant.

Josh Brolin was brilliant as well, and not only did he (and the CGI team), seamlessly fit a giant purple man into a live action film, but he managed to do it in a way that seemed subtly distinct from the one we saw last time.

Hemsworth was a little different, but no less brilliant in my eyes. Thinking about it, I'd love to see him play a surfing champion who loses a leg or something when he's in the prime of his life, and the film is a dark comedy about him coming to terms with that, and his fight with his aimless hopelessness and struggles with alcoholism and substance abuse. He was funny, but I thought his performance brought a vulnerability that elevated it well above just silliness for silliness's sake.

In general, I think the film was better acted, better shot, better written, funnier, more emotionally striking and more thrilling than Infinity War, and I really liked Infinity War.

I don't think you can give films an objective relative score on the same criteria, but for what this film was trying to achieve, and on a technical and artistic basis, it was essentially perfect in my eyes. I eyerolled a bit at the girl power scene, but I think that was literally the only foible and I didn't actually mind it that much.

pjohnson wrote: »

Thor himself may have been around for millenia but he himself for almost all of that time had absolutely no idea he could even channel lighting without Mjolnir. Thor in reality was nowhere near that experienced with regards controlling his own natural power levels. He spent most of his time over-relying on Mjolnir.

That's not really my point though. Regardless of what Thor "knew" about his powers, they still existed within him.

My point is that this movie set him up as a secondary character,(obviously to put Stark in the limelight for his swansong) predominately due to his obesity,and booze issue.

A beer belly and a foggy beer brain turned Thor into a far far lesser superhero???

I mean,is that not just lame??

Anyway,I'm not here to take away from anyone else's enjoyment of the movie. I enjoyed it myself but it just seemed ever so slightly ham fisted with some plot devices.

Each to their own.

When cap grabs mjolnir was the first time I went oh sh!t in a cinema and plenty around me did too, brilliant scene.

Wanda is probably underpowered in the MCU tbh.

Mokuba wrote: »

And out of nowhere it's Scarlet Witch who is the strongest Avenger as she is on the verge of killing Thanos before he calls down the fire to save himself.

Which I would see as reasonable only:

Tony + Thor + Steve lost to him minutes before.

Not saying she wasn't established as powerful previously, but she struggles against two of his order in the last movie.

She held off five stones Thanos with one hand in IW, she's massively powerful.

Mokuba wrote: »

And any comment on how convenient it was that the only two characters who loved each other ended up going to Vormir? What if any other two characters had gone. Was it just chance? A 45/1 chance by the way.
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Plenty of comment if you read the thread.

You don't think iron man and cap love each other?

You don't think a bond of love exists between most of the team?

You don't think it's more likely BW and Barton are more likely to team up because they have been a unit before?

Its a plot device for sure but it's not as far fetched as all that.