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Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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  • #2
    bilston
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    I wouldn't call that a nothing match. If it was McFadden wouldn't have headbutted Reidy!

    We talk about some of the young players that have come through this season for Ulster, but without question our most improved player by a mile is Dave Shanahan. I used to cringe at the sight of him coming on, now he clearly adds real value to the side when he plays.


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulster Team Talk Thread IV: How in gods name have we gotten this far into McFarland's tenure without highlighting the fact that the word 'Farl' is in his name.


  • #4
    yerrahbah
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    I can only assume Clancy didn't get a good view of it on the screen,

    This is where you need the TMO to make the call,
    "There is a clear headbutt, for me that is a red card"
    a lot of the TMOs seem to be reluctant to make decisions.

    Do we need a TV at the side of the field VAR style?


  • #5
    bilston
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    I can only assume Clancy didn't get a good view of it on the screen,

    This is where you need the TMO to make the call,
    "There is a clear headbutt, for me that is a red card"
    a lot of the TMOs seem to be reluctant to make decisions.

    Do we need a TV at the side of the field VAR style?

    The thing is the touch judge saw it. He called it to Clancy's attention. That's why Clancy went to the TMO in the first place. Surely if the touch judge is insistent that it was a headbutt he should take his word allied to the video evidence?


  • #6
    mfceiling
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    The touch judge tells Clancy that the blue player led with his head. Of course Wiggam hasn't the gumption to listen to his touch judge and goes to a camera angle that may as well been filmed from Craigavon.


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  • #7
    stl.ire
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    If we’re talking refs then it must be said that Joy Neville as AR was brilliant in the very same game. Clear, consistent and knowledgeable. It’s a disgrace that a well established bottler like Clancy keeps getting matches over someone like her.


  • #8
    jacothelad
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    stl.ire wrote: »
    If we’re talking refs then it must be said that Joy Neville as AR was brilliant in the very same game. Clear, consistent and knowledgeable. It’s a disgrace that a well established bottler like Clancy keeps getting matches over someone like her.




    Hear! Hear!


  • #9
    Burkie1203
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    Thread title has to be "Stand up for the Mexicans"


  • #10
    Paul Smeenus
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    According to the Other Forum, Dalton is away to Oz to play rugby, organised by the IRFU.

    Apparently McFarland rates him, so delighted if this is the case.

    Also, this is what I miss from playing...

    https://twitter.com/UlsterRugby/status/1122203204752683009?s=19


  • #11
    bilston
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    According to the Other Forum, Dalton is away to Oz to play rugby, organised by the IRFU.

    Apparently McFarland rates him, so delighted if this is the case.

    Also, this is what I miss from playing...

    https://twitter.com/UlsterRugby/status/1122203204752683009?s=19

    Dalton sounds like he needs to get out of his comfort zone, so a few months in Oz could be great for him.

    Sounds as though Nagle is away, which is a shame, but realistically if we have Carter next season, plus Treadwell and O'Connor, and obviously Hendy, and remembering that Rea Snr can play second row, it's hard to justify a contract, especially if Dalton kicks on.


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  • #12
    bilston
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ulster Team Talk Thread IV: How in gods name have we gotten this far into McFarland's tenure without highlighting the fact that the word 'Farl' is in his name.

    Are you saying we should rename McFarland Soda?


  • #13
    stephen_n
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    Ulster Team Talk Thread IV: Clancy us winning with thon ref


  • #14
    jacothelad
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    Ulster Team Talk Thread IV: Clancy us winning with thon ref


    Ulster...Land of the Rising Pun.


  • #15
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Rumour some Academy spots were awarded today. When will UR post details?


  • #16
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Rumour some Academy spots were awarded today. When will UR post details?
    Wont be for few weeks if not much longer. All provinces will have some spots decided and players told but wont be for few weeks at earliest for any official announcements


  • #17
    Paul Smeenus
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    Ferg cited. If they find him guilty, that'll be him for a wee stretch. No good behaviour for him - think he's been banned a couple of times in the last few years?I

    Better angle:

    https://twitter.com/McKeown49/status/1122944478170497025?s=19


  • #18
    Paul Smeenus
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    Three week ban for stamping in Jan 2016, three weeks in March that year for no arms tackle, against Connacht and Edinburgh respectively. To say nothing of his yellow cards.

    Just a dirty player.


  • #19
    Squidgy Black
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Three week ban for stamping in Jan 2016, three weeks in March that year for no arms tackle, against Connacht and Edinburgh respectively. To say nothing of his yellow cards.

    Just a dirty player.

    Yeah there certainly shouldn't be any reduction in sanction for good behaviour, as a Leinster fan Ferg is just idiotic at times. The only way it gets reduced is the whole pleading guilty thing, which is a bit absurd anyways.


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Three week ban for stamping in Jan 2016, three weeks in March that year for no arms tackle, against Connacht and Edinburgh respectively. To say nothing of his yellow cards.

    Just a dirty player.

    I'd say that's quite harsh. His ban for stamping never looked deliberate to me, careless but not deliberate.

    There are many no arm tackles per match every weekend that go unpunished, I think that would register half the pro14 as dirty if it was the threshold.

    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I wouldn't call him a dirty player. He's extremely physical and occasionally careless but dirty is probably a step too far.


  • #21
    troyzer
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Yeah there certainly shouldn't be any reduction in sanction for good behaviour, as a Leinster fan Ferg is just idiotic at times. The only way it gets reduced is the whole pleading guilty thing, which is a bit absurd anyways.

    He hasn't had a yellow card since 2016 according to Ultimate rugby.


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  • #22
    jacothelad
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd say that's quite harsh. His ban for stamping never looked deliberate to me, careless but not deliberate.

    There are many no arm tackles per match every weekend that go unpunished, I think that would register half the pro14 as dirty if it was the threshold.

    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I wouldn't call him a dirty player. He's extremely physical and occasionally careless but dirty is probably a step too far.


    I would agree. He is fearless but that head butt because he got his jersey pulled was ridiculous. He and Leinster were lucky that Major Clanger was the ref. It was idiotic for a senior player in a fairly unimportant game. If you accidentally make contact with an opponents head these days it's a red card as often as not. To do it deliberately should be a cert red. Given Ulster's experience at his hands in the past, I am sure if it had been Reidy on McFadden in the same circumstances, Clanger would have had the red card out in jig time.


  • #23
    Purist98
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Wont be for few weeks if not much longer. All provinces will have some spots decided and players told but wont be for few weeks at earliest for any official announcements

    Leinster usually announce theirs a few weeks after the 20s World Cup so I'd guess that Ulster would follow a similar timeline


  • #24
    Paul Smeenus
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'd say that's quite harsh. His ban for stamping never looked deliberate to me, careless but not deliberate.

    There are many no arm tackles per match every weekend that go unpunished, I think that would register half the pro14 as dirty if it was the threshold.

    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I wouldn't call him a dirty player. He's extremely physical and occasionally careless but dirty is probably a step too far.

    I don't think so. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

    If his bans were for taking out a player in the air, that would be one thing. Players get that wrong and refs (correctly) come down on it like a tonne of bricks. Balacoune has already had a ban for that, in his first season! But that's inexperience and bad timing from Robert, rather than anything malicious. Or tip tackles. Despite the roar that usually goes up when one happens, the majority of them tend to be misjudgement rather than viciousness - especially now teams are focussing so much on trying to get a second tackles to rip the ball in the tackle. With two tacklers pushing and pulling, tip tackles have become more common.

    Andy Trimble was more physical than McFadden and a quick Google turns up no bans for him in his career, none for Tommy Bowe and two weeks for Keith Earls. McFadden already has six weeks, before anything comes of this alleged headbutt. I'm using wingers as they're more comparable than comparing him to back rows.


  • #25
    awec
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    It was a headbutt, no question about it.


  • #26
    bilston
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd say that's quite harsh. His ban for stamping never looked deliberate to me, careless but not deliberate.

    There are many no arm tackles per match every weekend that go unpunished, I think that would register half the pro14 as dirty if it was the threshold.

    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I wouldn't call him a dirty player. He's extremely physical and occasionally careless but dirty is probably a step too far.

    Ah come on Venjur. It was a headbutt. I don't really care if he is banned or not as it is of no benefit to Ulster. The fact he wasn't red carded annoys me more. To be fair Ulster have got lucky with Balacoune earlier in the season not getting a red against Munster, (although even then he got a yellow), so I guess it's swings and roundabouts.

    Edit - Reidy is a doubt for the Connacht game after failing an HIA. Was it the McFadden incident or did it happen afterwards, because he didn't go off for another 5 or so minutes. That said Clancy definitely asked him if he was on when giving the penalty against McFadden, but he may have been sarcastic!


  • #27
    Jump_In_Jack
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd say that's quite harsh. His ban for stamping never looked deliberate to me, careless but not deliberate.

    There are many no arm tackles per match every weekend that go unpunished, I think that would register half the pro14 as dirty if it was the threshold.

    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I wouldn't call him a dirty player. He's extremely physical and occasionally careless but dirty is probably a step too far.

    That made me remember McFadden's no-arm shoulder charge recently that Nigel Owens got flustered about and actually gave Leinster the penalty as the other player reacted to the hit by dragging McFadden down on the ground, which he clarified by saying it was the later offence so therefore reversed the first penalty.
    I noticed a refereeing call at the weekend where Frank Murphy had a similar issue and he clearly stated that he was awarding the penalty against the worse offence, it sounded to me as if there had been a discussion between the refs about how those situations should be handled.
    I thought McFadden should have gotten a yellow card that day, it was a dirty clearout off the ball.
    Edit - it was the recent Pro14 drawn match against Benetton, few articles quoting the fact that Nigel Owens called it an "unlucky" clearout and didn't reverse the penalty.


  • #28
    sydthebeat
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.
    .

    my first reaction to the citing was that there may not be a clear enough camera angle to prove contact....

    but haven watched the blown up version of the available camera angle frame by frame there absolutely is contact between fergs head and the side of reidys face.

    its a clear head butt, and i expect fergs ban to run into next season


  • #29
    blackdog1
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    bilston wrote:
    Edit - Reidy is a doubt for the Connacht game after failing an HIA. Was it the McFadden incident or did it happen afterwards, because he didn't go off for another 5 or so minutes. That said Clancy definitely asked him if he was on when giving the penalty against McFadden, but he may have been sarcastic!


    Alan O'Connor's knee did the damage. Ferg is always an aggressive player but he should know better. After all the injuries he's had its a big kick in the teeth to probably be missing the final 2-3 games but it's self inflicted....


  • #30
    errlloyd
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    What impact does a 6 week ban have (if he gets one?) . Mcfadden is pretty far from the world cup squad, but I bet he was hoping to get one shot in the seconds at a world cup warm up game. Gone now surely


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  • #31
    Drew Sweet Self-expression
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    awec wrote: »
    It was a headbutt, no question about it.

    #mediumforce


  • #32
    bilston
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    Looks like Stockdale is going to miss the game on Saturday.


  • #33
    bilston
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    Drew Sweet Self-expression wrote: »
    #mediumforce

    If the range for a headbutt is 6-12 weeks then 9 weeks it is.

    #mediumban


  • #34
    launish116
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    bilston wrote: »
    Looks like Stockdale is going to miss the game on Saturday.

    Big loss!

    Best supposely back training also! Could really do with his scrumaging!


  • #35
    swiwi_
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    As for the incident at the weekend I'm not sure what to make of it, it looks like it could be a headbutt but it also looks like it could be him sizing up to a taller player.

    I like the vast majority of what you post venjur, but when it comes to defending Leinster players, your bias knows no bounds. I think you're the only Leinster fan on the forum I've read who doesn't think this was a headbutt, which is saying something. Wagons are routinely circled on here out of the loyalty that Irish fans (often commendably) show for their provinces, but a 1 wagon circle of wagons tells its own story.

    It seems to me Reidy shoved or possibly half-heartedly punched McFadden, so he's no angel, but I don't think any reasonable person would suggest that justifies a headbutt.

    You just need to post that Reidy was using a "camel grip" on McFadden and the circle will be complete.

    I suppose you could argue McFadden was sizing up Reidy if medical testing shows McFadden has eyes on the top of his skull, hence needing to flex his head to see Reidy, otherwise that's a headbutt, and McFadden will be getting several weeks on the sidelines.


  • #36
    swiwi_
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    As an aside the person who comes out the worst in this is the touch judge IMO. Cowardly and ridiculous to defer to Clancy and the TMO when he clearly saw (and reported to Clancy) that it was a headbutt. Not even sure why he felt the need to agree to a TMO review.


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  • #37
    molloyjh
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    Yeah it was a headbutt. It was stupid and it isn't the first time Ferg has gotten wound up like that. As a senior player he should know better and be setting a better standard. But I think calling him a dirty player is a stretch. I can only remember 1 other occasion where he did something this bad. In a 10 year career that's not enough to call him dirty. His no arm tackle was careless, but not deliberate. Hes had more of those (throwing everything into a tackle and making a balls of it) than generally dirty incidents. And even at that there haven't been an huge number of those either.


  • #38
    swiwi_
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    Ah yeah, the poster calling McFadden dirty is as biased in the Ulser direction as Venjur in the Leinster one IMHO.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Ah yeah, the poster calling McFadden dirty is as biased in the Ulser direction as Venjur in the Leinster one IMHO.

    I said it could be a headbutt, but much like the ref on the night I couldn't be completely sure and I'd want to hear from both players first.

    I sure am generally biased towards my team but not to the point of lost objectivity. If newer footage is clearer then I'll consider that in the same light, but what I saw at the time wasn't clear cut enough for me to be sure.

    I don't see what's unreasonable enough about that to warrant your previous post.


  • #40
    Paul Smeenus
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Ah yeah, the poster calling McFadden dirty is as biased in the Ulser direction as Venjur in the Leinster one IMHO.

    Yeah, I completely 'fess up to that. Absolutely biased.

    You will find posts from me about McFadden before, of course, expressing concern that he could lose us an international match with a rush of blood to the head. After Leinster matches that didn't involve Ulster. I've thought him "problematic" for a while now.

    And I'm the only one that offered any context around how long our other Irish wingers have been banned for over the years. Surely that wider context is as objective as you can ask for?

    Put it this way. Are there any other Irish wingers, with international honours, that have spent as long banned for foul play as he has? Or anywhere close?


  • #41
    molloyjh
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    Has Ferg ever been carded in an Irish Jersey? Banned? Penalised more than anyone else? Just because you've said it before, doesn't mean it's any more accurate or objective. I can count on 1 hand the discipline issues Ferg has had over the last decade, so I'm really not sure where you're getting this from tbh.


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  • #42
    molloyjh
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    Has Ferg ever been carded in an Irish Jersey? Banned? Penalised more than anyone else? Just because you've said it before, doesn't mean it's any more accurate or objective. I can count on 1 hand the discipline issues Ferg has had over the last decade, so I'm really not sure where you're getting this from tbh.


  • #43
    Paul Smeenus
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Has Ferg ever been carded in an Irish Jersey? Banned? Penalised more than anyone else? Just because you've said it before, doesn't mean it's any more accurate or objective. I can count on 1 hand the discipline issues Ferg has had over the last decade, so I'm really not sure where you're getting this from tbh.

    So it's not reasonable to worry that if he is banned substantially mote playing for his province than any other Irish wingers, that that might happen one day in a green jersey? Right...

    In fact, what you're saying is worse. If he can control himself in an international as well as anybody else, why the hell is he playing the cowboy at club level?


  • #44
    Former Former
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    I don't think anyone could dispute that McFadden has a short fuse. His "combative" nature is part of what makes him a really good player when he's maybe not the most natural winger. He's gone too far on occasion though.


  • #45
    Squidgy Black
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    What impact does a 6 week ban have (if he gets one?) . Mcfadden is pretty far from the world cup squad, but I bet he was hoping to get one shot in the seconds at a world cup warm up game. Gone now surely

    It'd take a long line of injuries for Ferg to get close to the warm up squad, the likes of Adam Byrne, Sweetnam and Dave Kearney would be ahead of him for a call up, the only caps Ferg has picked up this season with Leinster have been during the international windows and then with the seconds.


  • #46
    swiwi_
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I said it could be a headbutt, but much like the ref on the night I couldn't be completely sure and I'd want to hear from both players first.

    I sure am generally biased towards my team but not to the point of lost objectivity. If newer footage is clearer then I'll consider that in the same light, but what I saw at the time wasn't clear cut enough for me to be sure.

    I don't see what's unreasonable enough about that to warrant your previous post.

    Have you watched the video a few posts up ?????

    It's much closer than the intial video, and makes the headbutt as clear as day.


  • #47
    molloyjh
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    So it's not reasonable to worry that if he is banned substantially mote playing for his province than any other Irish wingers, that that might happen one day in a green jersey? Right...

    In fact, what you're saying is worse. If he can control himself in an international as well as anybody else, why the hell is he playing the cowboy at club level?

    Substantially more!? When was he last banned and how many times in his career has he been banned. From recollection he received 2 bans in 2016 for a reckless high hit and a reckless stamp. Neither were malicious. I dont recall a ban since and have no recollection of any bans prior to that. If I'm wrong then by all means let me know, but having watched Ferg for 10 years now hes not someone I'd ever describe as dirty.


  • #48
    Sinbad_NI
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    If head butting is not considered dirty then what exactly would it take to describe a player as dirty?

    My thoughts...
    I'd not class a punch as dirty. Stupid yes, but not dirty.
    Something like biting or gouging goes way beyond dirty.
    Id have a head butt as the very definition of dirty.

    Sorry but zero sympathy for him. Hope he gets a substantial ban. No place for that crap.


  • #49
    molloyjh
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    Sinbad_NI wrote: »
    If head butting is not considered dirty then what exactly would it take to describe a player as dirty?

    My thoughts...
    I'd not class a punch as dirty. Stupid yes, but not dirty.
    Something like biting or gouging goes way beyond dirty.
    Id have a head butt as the very definition of dirty.

    Sorry but zero sympathy for him. Hope he gets a substantial ban. No place for that crap.

    Let's be clear here, I'm not arguing against a ban or claiming it was anything other than a headbutt or anything remotely like that. I have no sympathy either. Seamus is claiming though that this is entirely within character for Ferg and he has always been a dirty player. This bit is simply not true. That Ferg has been suspended "substantially more" than any other winger is also not true.

    A dirty act in and of itself does not make a dirty player. Heaslips knee to McCaws back was dirty. Hayes stamping on Cian Healys head was dirty. I doubt anyone would call either of those players dirty though.


  • #50
    AdamD
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    Ferg loves a high tackle. Hardly ridiculous to call him dirty.


  • #51
    Buer
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Have you watched the video a few posts up ?????

    It's much closer than the intial video, and makes the headbutt as clear as day.

    When I first saw it on television, I could actually understand to a degree why Clancy didn't red card him (a yellow had to be given though). The footage wasn't great and he was watching on a screen a distance away. But that is pretty blatant.

    He's done. He should take 6 weeks and be happy for it.

    I get the impression that McFadden is raging against the dying of the light. He was always hard as nails and exceptionally combative but in the last 2 seasons, he has definitely allowed an element of foul play creep into his game. Where the hits were hard and fair early on, they've fallen on the illegal side more regularly in the past 2 years. There's an element of the game being tidied up which is a factor there too but he could have legitimately seen red twice in recent weeks and had no complaints for head on head contact both times.

    Anyway, Ulster thread and all that jazz...who would win in a fight? Iain Henderson or a polar bear?


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