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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7" - Spoilers post 2 fo

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    leggo wrote: »
    Sure they already have seeded a back-up plan in Dany retreating to the Iron Islands if things go south.

    Forces could easily retreat and scatter.

    Dany off to the Iron islands.

    Jaime/Tyrion off to the Twins (dont the lannisters hold it now?).

    Wildlings etc off to the dreadfort or deepwood motte etc...

    Maybe the thing to do would be retreat backwards to the wall seeing as the army of the dead are now south?


  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!

    Yeah..
    Worst actor ever..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Jaysus Craster has an awful lot to answer for. He had an enormous hand in raising the army of the dead.

    I always think of him as just representative of what was going on beyond the wall. There may have been other Crasters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    ....... wrote: »
    Forces could easily retreat and scatter.

    Dany off to the Iron islands.

    Jaime/Tyrion off to the Twins (dont the lannisters hold it now?).

    Wildlings etc off to the dreadfort or deepwood motte etc...

    Maybe the thing to do would be retreat backwards to the wall seeing as the army of the dead are now south?

    But is 'retreat and scatter' really that easy when you're being pursued by a zombie army that "Doesn't Tire, Doesn't Stop, Doesn't Feel." Apart from for the handful who can escape from the embassy roof on a dragon helicopter.

    So I think the good guys might actually win this battle, but the Night King and a few of his henchmen will get away at the end on the back of his dragon chopper. And then reappear for a vital cameo in the last/second-last episode.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    But is 'retreat and scatter' really that easy when you're being pursued by a zombie army that "Doesn't Tire, Doesn't Stop, Doesn't Feel." Apart from for the handful who can escape from the embassy roof on a dragon helicopter.

    So I think the good guys might actually win this battle, but the Night King and a few of his henchmen will get away at the end on the back of his dragon chopper. And then reappear for a vital cameo in the last/second-last episode.

    True.

    I imagine we will see some fairly sudden drops of the army of the dead if some of our heros manage to kill WWs - so say like Jorah with Heartsbane - he might knock out several WWs, and when they go down we will see whole swathes of wights dropping who they had made.

    Its the kind of battle that you could be fighting 10000 people one minute and 2 the next.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Yeah I'm thinking a few of the lieutenants will go down first, which will reduce the army significantly, before they take a run at the NK.
    Similar to killing the WW at Hardhome


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Yeah I'm thinking a few of the lieutenants will go down first, which will reduce the army significantly, before they take a run at the NK.
    Similar to killing the WW at Hardhome

    Course the opposite holds true too - loads drop but then NK raises the dead and next thing youre back fighting 1000s again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Or, which could be interesting:
    Few WW are killed, loads of Wights drop, NK then raises the dead.. from Winterfells army.
    Suddenly they're fighting friends.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Or, which could be interesting:
    Few WW are killed, loads of Wights drop, NK then raises the dead.. from Winterfells army.
    Suddenly they're fighting friends.

    Absolutely - and "meatier" ones than the original lot who dropped.

    A whole battle of "OH NO"...."YEEEAA"...."OOOOO NOOOO".....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    I must admit to having a less-than-favourable view of episode 2, and wasn't planning on watching it over again before ep. 3. However, I'm now changing my mind after reading through this thread.

    As for it being the "worst episode ever"? No. I know there have been certain episodes over the run of the show that have left me feeling a bit unfulfilled, but as far as I'm concerned this is the greatest TV show of all time, certainly the one I have invested myself in most. So I think that even the episodes that are possibly below-par (in the way that they didn't totally grab me) are still far superior to almost anything else on TV.

    I must definitely re-watch the Brienne knighting scene again. So many comments here about how beautiful and moving it was, whereas I just felt it was a bit on the cringe side.

    On the flip side, I didn't really have a problem with so many important conversations being interrupted - on the eve of the most vital battle in the history of mankind, surely conversations would be interrupted as more important events took precedence (I did wonder if Theon turning up would really be considered important enough to barge into a private meeting between the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and the Lady of Winterfell though!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    I think the battle will start with a big statement from the writers of anyone can be killed.
    Id say one of two of the guys from the room by the fire will die from the off, probably Pod or Thormund.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    I think the battle will start with a big statement from the writers of anyone can be killed.
    Id say one of two of the guys from the room by the fire will die from the off, probably Pod or Thormund.

    Agree. We will lose someone we like and lose them early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    I think the battle will start with a big statement from the writers of anyone can be killed.
    Id say one of two of the guys from the room by the fire will die from the off, probably Pod or Thormund.

    Theyed need to kill someone of Thormunds level of fandom for it to hit home hard, Pod is just an auxiliary character whos been around ages without much fondness IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Theyed need to kill someone of Thormunds level of fandom for it to hit home hard, Pod is just an auxiliary character whos been around ages without much fondness IMO.

    Although they lost the lowest-raking of all the characters on the capture-a-wight mission. And you might have expected Beric and/or Tormund to go down with the wall. So the show seemed to have lost its appetite for killing off major characters since the sept explosion...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,923 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Theyed need to kill someone of Thormunds level of fandom for it to hit home hard, Pod is just an auxiliary character whos been around ages without much fondness IMO.

    That's not what the ladies of King's Landing would say :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Redriddick


    Here s a thought I had last nite when lying awake. What if Arya can use the many faced god to become a white walker and sneak up and kill the king??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    And her spear does resemble his.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    ....... wrote: »
    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?

    cos the show isn't smarter than it's viewers anymore!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    ....... wrote: »
    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?

    No-one living has the Night King's throwing arm: the Steve Backley of Westeros:p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    No-one living has the Night King's throwing arm: the Steve Backley of Westeros:p

    they built a ballista in Kings Landing so why not in winterfell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    ....... wrote: »
    Forces could easily retreat and scatter.

    Dany off to the Iron islands.

    Jaime/Tyrion off to the Twins (dont the lannisters hold it now?).

    Wildlings etc off to the dreadfort or deepwood motte etc...

    Maybe the thing to do would be retreat backwards to the wall seeing as the army of the dead are now south?
    The Lannisters have Riverrun. The Twins are probably empty since Arya poisoned them all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Riskymove wrote: »
    they built a ballista in Kings Landing so why not in winterfell

    Bloody capital getting everything while rural areas get nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    Redriddick wrote: »
    Here s a thought I had last nite when lying awake. What if Arya can use the many faced god to become a white walker and sneak up and kill the king??

    How would she kill one to take it's face though? When they get stabbed with Valyrian steel they disintegrate. Not likely to take a face while they are still alive and get away with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    ....... wrote: »
    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?

    Or just dragon glass arrow heads, fire a few vollies and they should hit a few of the white walkers, which means large chunks of the wights drop.

    However it wouldn't make for good visual entertainment.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    A blitz of arrows are an inaccurate means of planning to attack. Traditionally it's used more so as a defensive tactic to stop people from coming into a range. There's little to no point in doing this with a valuable resource. Keep it for where it's going to be more effective with various blades (for close combat) and spear points (to keep them at a distance from you).
    ....... wrote: »
    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?

    Why throw away something that might miss, which you are going to need? How many will you have to throw to get one to hit? And how clear is it, that it'll be a fatal hit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,009 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I can envisage a scene similar to the final battle in LOTR, when the ring melting caused the enemy to basically disappear.

    A heroic (perhaps even suicidal) and successful attack on the Night King causes all the wights to shatter just as defeat seemed inevitable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭GillLebowski


    I reckon with what's happened before they're bigging Sansa up lately for a dramatic collapse... Sansa will die in the crypts while Arya tries to save her, Arya goes mental and kills looooads of wights down there and pretty much saves everyone down there, except Gilly/Sam.
    On land, Theon dies, Jamie dies, Brienne lives, Thormund lives, Bronn arrives too late, tries to kill someone (Tyrion/Jamie/The Night King), but he's arrived too late and is killed...
    For The Night King to die, Bran has to die also, the Night King leaving his mark on him will have something to do with that...
    Once the Night King is beaten they'll travel South to King's Landing...
    The vision of the Throne Room in bits and a dragon flying over it shows only one dragon if I'm right? Jon has always been honourable and true to his word, he bent the knee to Daenerys so even after the big revelation it won't change anything for him, and he'll convince Daenerys and they'll get married and live happily after after... :rolleyes: I think Cersai is ready for the dragons when they come back, or at least thinks she is.. The massive crossbow thingy will be set up and another load of wildfire will be waiting for Jon/Daenerys. Once either of these die, (I'm guessing it'll be Daenerys who's pregnant) the other will go berserk (as his wife and child were just killed) and wreck King's Landing and the Throne Room. After a while whoever is still alive, I'm guessing Jon, will go mad and be killed by Jamie (Kingslayer). After everything has settled down, the only true heir to the throne would be Gendry surely? I can see something happening him, the Red Woman coming to his aid and saving him... He'll obviously marry Arya who is the new Queen Of The North after saving everyone in the crypts and because Sansa is dead, is the only Stark left alive... Arya weds Gendry... Once he dies does that make Arya the heir?

    Too Long? Lots of people die, Can't wait to see Sansa be killed, never stops moping, Jon/Daenerys end up on the throne. More people die. Arya wins the Game Of Thrones...

    End Scene; Arya peels off her face to reveal the face of Jaqen H'ghar, everyone now learns how to be a faceless man at school. Everyone now makes their holy communion in the Church of The Many Faced God.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    ....... wrote: »
    Course the opposite holds true too - loads drop but then NK raises the dead and next thing youre back fighting 1000s again!

    Does this not prove that Jon's army are fighting an impossible battle. One of the goodies kills a few wights maybe a white walker and his sires, however in the meantime a group of 50 goodies made up of unsullied, dothraki and wildings are killed and raised again as wights. Completely pointless. Not to mention all of the dead Starks in the crypt.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    ....... wrote: »
    Why has no one else made a dragon glass javelin so that they can try to take out Viserion?

    That would be too obvious.

    There is a serious lack of strategy from Jon and the rest of his allies .

    Would retreating not be a better strategy and try and engage in some sort of an ambush on the Night King when he isnt really expecting it ?
    Try and take him out instead of engaging in a dirty battle.

    We saw at the Battle of the Bastards that Jon has very little strategy ,its just brute warfare and that isn't a very clever policy against an opponent with no fear and almost unlimited troops .
    Its not like a normal battle where if one side gains the upper hand the other will retreat out of fear or need to regroup.
    The dead are mindless and they will keep coming ,morale will not drop ,there is no possibility of mutiny .

    Granted the living have Dragonstone weapons but these need to be wielded in close combat .
    I'm not sure how many Dragonstone arrows are available ,these would obviously be the weapon of choice.

    The White Walkers all seem to have those ice spears on their horses so its risky to deploy the Dragons as they are vulnerable to these .

    There will be alot of casualties I fear and these casualties will immediately switch sides which is a huge factor in the outcome of the battle.

    Should be interesting anyway.


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