Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

ziedth · 26-04-2019 07:37AM

Loughc wrote: »

Also what’s stopping 2013 Thanos stealing the stones again.

Seeing they dropped back all of the infinity stones. I get that 2014 Thanos is dead but what about pre-2014 Thanos?

2013 Thanos is 2014 Thanos though no? Like there is no Thanos from 2014 on because he jumped forward he was killed in 2019?

Also someone back there mentioned captain marvel. The guns turning and firing was a pretty cool scene in fairness but she wasn't remotely needed and my big fear going into this was that she was going to come in and save the day kinda taking from the decade long story. I knew it wouldn't happen but a part of me thought it would be a deadly plot point if he kicked her ass like the hulk in IW. Although getting the drop on her with the switching the stone between hands was pretty good too.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz · 26-04-2019 07:39AM

Kirby wrote: »

Teenagers are the worst. So little regard for anyone else around them. Wouldn't shut the f*ck up with the constant loud talking and I've never heard a cinema so loud when it comes to snacks. Like some of these gobsh*tes behind me HAD to have been doing it on purpose. Imagine a plastic bag being smashed and crinkled for three f*cking hours straight and you get the idea. Oh, and chew with your mouth closed ffs.

I've never been more annoyed and distracted in any screening before. This film's release coinciding with school holidays was a disaster. If I wasn't concerned with missing bits of the film, I'd have demanded that the staff kick them out. Proper f*cking scumbags. :mad:

Despite that, I still enjoyed the film.

haha, I feel you. My viewing had a drunk guy light up a cigarette and start puffing away.

GavRedKing · 26-04-2019 07:42AM

Ya the time travel gubbins is going to get a lot of people worked up with alternative timelines.

2014 Gamora has no idea about Quill, hence why we see Quill at the end "searching" for her on the ship, at the moment, shes jumped 5 years into the future and has no attachment to the GoTG or Quill.

I think they'll handle it by having everything pre-2014 Thanos as not being aware of the future until hes dragged into 2019 by the 2nd Nebulas recording and then going to chase the stones.

Unless we assume that the Ancient One isnt talking out her arse and Cap has put the original stones back into play to balance the universe, everything is wrapped up nicely.

silverharp · 26-04-2019 07:50AM

the best review title ive seen is "Brie Larson didnt ruin Endgame"

RobbingBandit · 26-04-2019 07:51AM

Still haven't seen Black Panther and didn't see Captain Overkill neither can't wait for a southern Mutant to come along and kick her over brooding ass. Get it done Disney.

Rollercoaster of a movie cementing Barton's turn in the opening scene was so captivating Thor Hulk and Tony's character development was shocking I expected more deaths, the lift scene was an extremely satisfying Easter egg as was Thor's roommates. A lot of plot holes and too much tying up of loose ends for guardians related stuff but Star Lord getting his groove on my god that was epic. Good way to spend 3+ hours I'll wanna see it again but more likely with Infinity War first as trying to remember some of the scenes was hard.

Shelli2 · 26-04-2019 07:56AM

Dad Bod Thor, simply astounding.

Cotts72 · 26-04-2019 07:57AM

bur wrote: »

They should have waited until after Endgame to introduce Captain Marvel. She swoops in our of nowhere as the big hero of this ten year saga, but she wasn't needed to beat Thanos.

Was she added in post production?

I think they did it well, she got some screen time but the movie focused on the originals. Again she appears at the end to to destroy the ship whichbwould have obliterated them by the looks of it

martingriff · 26-04-2019 08:05AM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Peggy was Sharon's aunt or great aunt. Not sure exactly but definitely not grand daughter. Sharon specifies the relationship in her eulogy for Peggy if you want to find it.

Ya giggled it after great grand niece. I was reacting to some posts of Captain tapping her earlier as if she is his daughter

paulbok · 26-04-2019 08:07AM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Just back from it and I don't know was I expecting too much but the film was a massive disappointment and a bit of let down IMO.

Id have preferred if they had killed off another half a dozen characters or so in the process of retrieving the stones and fighting Thanos at the end, there was no real sense of danger for the characters.

Tony's scene was predictable and it didn't really connect emotionally as the film still had 10/15mins to play out.

The only one I feel sorry for was Thanos, the universe was at least balanced and better off the way it was when he was off farming. :pac:

For me, Infinity Wars was a better film, to paraphrase and steal Tony's words : part of the journey (infinity wars) is better than the end (endgame).

It wasn't all bad but I didn't get a sense of much devastation from the "vanished" there was a memorial park in San Francisco and a meeting group setup by Captain America and the odd scene where people mentioned dead loved ones.

The powers of the heroes vary wildly too, Thanos seemed as powerful in this with no stones as he was in the last film with a gauntlet full and Thor was nerfed massively, storm breaker cut through the full power of the gauntlet last time but was stopped by a blade this time around made zero sense.

I think the Russos done a decent job over the two films but this was not much more than a solid 7/10 effort.

I pretty much agree with all that, maybe on second viewing I'll warm to it more but half way through it I wasn't getting into it at all.
Some great moments but also more than usual that annoyed me and unfortunately they have stuck with me.

Prof Hulk was a let down, would have benefited from his creation rather than hearing it over a coffee, but there was enough time pressure on the story I guess.
They could have shown a few shots of the wider impact of the snap, wouldn't have taken much time for that.
Thor was turned into a joke, hard to take him seriously again. As above, Storm breaker was able to best Thanos twice but it and the hammer wasn't able to do much against his new blade, was it Valayrian steel?
I get Cap was worthy to wield the hammer but how was he able to call on the lightning? Ragnarok made the point that that ability was always within Thor, and the hammer just a conduit to focus it.
The 'girls night out' would only have been more cheesy if they suddenly pulled on Black Widow t-shirts.

The undo of the snap brought everyone back but as they were 5 years ago, food supply, difficulties with unsnapped having moved on from snapped partners, property inheritance etc. terrible idea, just to ensure Tony's daughter still existed and it was a fair chance she would have been conceived anyway.
The final battle was impressive if a little over whelming, spent more time focus on who all the characters were rather than the action. The Black Order we're seriously underpowered this time.

I did like the Hawkeye arc, esp as he was a character I wasn't bothered with in the past.
Sad seeing Black Widow and Ironman die, they did a top job on Tony's death scene, not over the top.

Overall, I enjoyed it but it didn't have an impact on me like IW did.
Overall I felt they tried to cram too much and too many characters into it, and the whole story was all down to a rat.

Oh, and spoiler tags are not necessary anymore folks.

martingriff · 26-04-2019 08:08AM

silverharp wrote: »

the best review title ive seen is "Brie Larson didnt ruin Endgame"

While a believe people were obsessing 2 much over her are her role when she did get knocked into next week in the battle I did go thank f^%k and thought the same as the above

Kirby · 26-04-2019 08:12AM

Jayson Small Fur wrote: »

haha, I feel you. My viewing had a drunk guy light up a cigarette and start puffing away.

While inconsiderate and illegal........at least that's quiet. Like, I missed so much dialogue because of loud asshats. One example, Sam's "On your left" moment when he appeared beside Cap? Never heard it. Had to just read about it online.

I'm still a little annoyed, to be honest. I might go see it again in a couple of weeks when the f*cktards are all back in school.

paulbok · 26-04-2019 08:14AM

Jayson Small Fur wrote: »

haha, I feel you. My viewing had a drunk guy light up a cigarette and start puffing away.

Mine had just started and it was delayed by 15 minutes because of latecomers. All teenagers, arms full of junk food and the fact they were late didn't faze them, marched all the way up to the back looking for seats and then moaning on the way down that they'd have to sit at the front.

Kirby · 26-04-2019 08:16AM

paulbok wrote: »

I get Cap was worthy to wield the hammer but how was he able to call on the lightning? Ragnarok made the point that that ability was always within This, and the hammer just a conduit to focus it.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

The White Wolf · 26-04-2019 08:18AM

paulbok wrote: »

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The undo of the snap brought everyone back but as they were 5 years ago, food supply, difficulties with unsnapped having moved on from snapped partners, property inheritance etc. terrible idea, just to ensure Tony's daughter still existed and it was a fair chance she would have been conceived anyway.
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That's all true.....and ripe for a certain villain to be brought into the fold.

Either way I'd say there will be consequences to the unsnap, starting with Dr Strange 2 and possibly beyond.

Mitch Connor · 26-04-2019 08:20AM

The White Wolf wrote: »

That's all true.....and ripe for a certain villain to be brought into the fold.

Either way I'd say there will be consequences to the unsnap, starting with Dr Strange 2 and possibly beyond.

Yeah, the conversation between Tilda Swanson's character and Banner really pointed to a potential conflict for Strange - even though the events of Endgame ultimately prove him to be correct.

paulbok · 26-04-2019 08:20AM

Kirby wrote: »

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

I stand corrected.

26-04-2019 08:27AM

Yermande wrote: »

What are people's feelings on the X-Men appearing in the MCU? Would we be looking at an entirely different cast? I kinda think it has to be.

Thry need to severly curtail the number of mutants. Any Xmen crossover always highlights how stupid things are, mutant registration but not for super powered individuals. Anti mutant sentiment but love Ironman, cap, spidey, FF.

Have it that the triggering of all the stones and gamma bursts has triggered mutation but only in limited number (even say that mind stone didn't change Wanda, just triggered latent mutation potential)

I'd honestly prefer if they didn't and FF would be a MUCH better fit for MCU.

GavRedKing · 26-04-2019 08:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thry need to severly curtail the number of mutants. Any Xmen crossover always highlights how stupid things are, mutant registration but not for super powered individuals. Anti mutant sentiment but love Ironman, cap, spidey, FF.

Have it that the triggering of all the stones and gamma bursts has triggered mutation but only in limited number (even say that mind stone didn't change Wanda, just triggered latent mutation potential)

I'd honestly prefer if they didn't and FF would be a MUCH better fit for MCU.

Ya, I was thinking that if thy wanted to bring in mutants, the constant snaps could easily be used as a way of introducing them.

It would also be a good way to potentially bring in the Silver Surfer, Rocket points out that they some weeks after the initial snap, they found traces of a massive energy surge across the universe where Thanos had used the gauntlet again to obliterate the stones, Silver Surfer could be attracted to such an event.

Thats years upon years down the MCU timeline though but the potential is there.

PTH2009 · 26-04-2019 08:48AM

Its prob not possible too add the current xmen too the MCU

Kirby · 26-04-2019 08:51AM

The current x-men cast are finished after Dark Phoenix. New actors and stories will be told for the MCU. Wont be the same cast/timeline/universe. The only way that doesn't happen is if the movie does gangbusters. Like over a billion dollars. They might keep it going and sign new contracts if that happens.

It's unlikely to make that much though.

Mr E · 26-04-2019 08:57AM

paulbok wrote: »

Mine had just started and it was delayed by 15 minutes because of latecomers. All teenagers, arms full of junk food and the fact they were late didn't faze them, marched all the way up to the back looking for seats and then moaning on the way down that they'd have to sit at the front.

I had nerds behind me, one of whom was with a girl who had to have everything explained to her. I got the impression that she hadn't seen IW. :rolleyes:

It took multiple "shhhhhhhhs" and one "shut the **** up, lads, will you?" to stop them.

Loved the movie though.

On a side note, how can a cinema run out of popcorn for the biggest movie of the year? If I was managing there, I'd have had that popping machine going from 1pm all day yesterday to fill bags to have it ready. I'd say they missed out on a small fortune due to bad management (or laziness).

5star02707 · 26-04-2019 09:05AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The question was how did it get into the warehouse it was in when the rat activated it, as at the end of Ant-man/Wasp they were on top of a multi storey parking lot.

Ant-man's daughter aged quicker than some soap opera characters in those 5 years.

Nobody would rescue Tony in space to bring him back to Earth.

Midnight_EG · 26-04-2019 09:09AM

5star02707 wrote: »

Nobody would rescue Tony in space to bring him back to Earth.

On this, how did Cap Marvel know where Tony was?! Very disappointed with how 'simple' it seemed to find him?

Mitch Connor · 26-04-2019 09:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thry need to severly curtail the number of mutants. Any Xmen crossover always highlights how stupid things are, mutant registration but not for super powered individuals. Anti mutant sentiment but love Ironman, cap, spidey, FF.

Have it that the triggering of all the stones and gamma bursts has triggered mutation but only in limited number (even say that mind stone didn't change Wanda, just triggered latent mutation potential)

I'd honestly prefer if they didn't and FF would be a MUCH better fit for MCU.

Personally, I think they should bring FF into the MCU - maybe there are other properties coming back that would fit too, and then have an X-Men Universe that is seperate, just as it was when Fox had it. As you say, mingling the two sets creates narrative problems, and would be in big danger of being very bloated.

If they treated them as two seperate franchises, it would also allow them to have a bit of distance between each movie of the respective franchises, and additionally more 'big' movies as you can have your 'Marvel' movies and then the team ups like Avengers, and you can have 'Mutant' movies and then big story line finishing movies for them too.

brevity · 26-04-2019 09:19AM

“I can do this all day”
“Yea, I know, I know”

RickBlaine · 26-04-2019 09:28AM

Imagine if someone's wife was lost in the snap and within the five years he moved on, met another woman and got married.

Then the first wife was brought back. From her point of view, no time has passed (based on Peter's chat with Tony). How messed up is that situation.

Penn · 26-04-2019 09:34AM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

On this, how did Cap Marvel know where Tony was?! Very disappointed with how 'simple' it seemed to find him?

Yeah it was over and done with very quickly. I'm guessing it was the signal Tony was sending out through his suit and trying to get a message to Pepper. Maybe they could track the signal but didn't have any means of getting to him so Cap.Marvel flew to him.

Mitch Connor · 26-04-2019 09:42AM

RickBlaine wrote: »

Imagine if someone's wife was lost in the snap and within the five years he moved on, met another woman and got married.

Then the first wife was brought back. From her point of view, no time has passed (based on Peter's chat with Tony). How messed up is that situation.

Yep, pretty messed up. A nice plot point going forward that I hope is touched on.

I really don't need it to be disected and expanded upon too much - you could have it as an issue for some of the characters we have (Peter/Aunt May relationship, for example) but for me it isn't an issue that needs massive focus. Generally, I don't care enough for it to become a central issue the next movies must focus on. Mention it, acknowledge it, understand how it could effect the stories they want to tell, and tell us the cool stories within that context.

I don't need a movie based on the logistical nightmare of billions of people returning.

paulbok · 26-04-2019 09:47AM

Penn wrote: »

Yeah it was over and done with very quickly. I'm guessing it was the signal Tony was sending out through his suit and trying to get a message to Pepper. Maybe they could track the signal but didn't have any means of getting to him so Cap.Marvel flew to him.

Rocket might have been able to track the energy signature of the ship, like he did for Thanos.

NuMarvel · 26-04-2019 09:59AM

Kirby wrote: »

The current x-men cast are finished after Dark Phoenix. New actors and stories will be told for the MCU. Wont be the same cast/timeline/universe. The only way that doesn't happen is if the movie does gangbusters. Like over a billion dollars. They might keep it going and sign new contracts if that happens.

It's unlikely to make that much though.

There was a trailer for Dark Phoenix before my showing, and it was very much selling it as the end of this X-Men franchise. It was fitting though, because the trailer started off recognising the 20 year history of the X-movie franchise.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yep, pretty messed up. A nice plot point going forward that I hope is touched on.

I really don't need it to be disected and expanded upon too much - you could have it as an issue for some of the characters we have (Peter/Aunt May relationship, for example) but for me it isn't an issue that needs massive focus. Generally, I don't care enough for it to become a central issue the next movies must focus on. Mention it, acknowledge it, understand how it could effect the stories they want to tell, and tell us the cool stories within that context.

I don't need a movie based on the logistical nightmare of billions of people returning.

Definitely not a movie, but it wouldn't be a bad idea for a TV mini-series. Make it about a new version of Damage Control that arises to help people deal with the consequences of 3.5 billion people being suddenly resurrected.

If the rights allowed it, it could be a vehicle to bring some of the Netflix characters into the fold as well, even if it's just secondary characters like Hogarth (haven't seen JJ season 2, so please, no spoilers if that's not possible!)

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