Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

Cookie_Monster · 25-04-2019 08:18PM

are they going to address the global catastrophe of 3.5bn people just turning up after 5 years in future movies or will it just be a magic reset button?
I mean how do you cope with food production etc after that amount of time at such a lower capacity?

stesaurus · 25-04-2019 08:19PM

Victor wrote: »

But they aren't related.

you wouldn't consider your wife's niece being incest? Em ok.
If he married Peggy he'd have watched her grow up from a baby knowing his younger self would eventually hit that. She was pretty close with aunt Peggy, spoke at her funeral etc.
And he wouldn't have been able to change events as it was explained that's not how time travel works.

Basq · 25-04-2019 08:22PM

Was inevitable but a shame nonetheless..

https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/exclusive-the-russos-say-theyre-done-with-the-mcu-for-the-foreseeable-future-after-avengers-endgame/

Mitch Connor · 25-04-2019 08:22PM

stesaurus wrote: »

you wouldn't consider your wife's niece being incest? Em ok.
If he married Peggy he'd have watched her grow up from a baby knowing his younger self would eventually hit that. She was pretty close with aunt Peggy, spoke at her funeral etc.
And he wouldn't have been able to change events as it was explained that's not how time travel works.

But they said in the movie you can't effect the time line in such a way (them taking the stones not negating the snap). Dunno how the time stuff really works though. It's tough to work out.

Enzokk · 25-04-2019 08:26PM

Slydice wrote: »

Day 1: $169 Million
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2019.htm

On the 2019 board at number 10:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2019&p=.htm

Seems the record for a opening is $640m for Infinity War. This will surely break that record and could be close to a billion if not over it after its release this weekend.

Pter wrote: »

I found it a bit cringe too but if it inspires the young people I can live with it and am all for it. I can see my daughter's loving it when they are old enough to sit through a 3 hour movie.

Yeah, I won't derail this thread but the problem is that a scene like this is needed. I didn't mind it and felt it was fine and like you say if it inspires people, surely that outweighs any negatives there may be with it.

As for Captain Marvel being overpowered, she didn't seem to end her fight well against Thanos. Don't know how that can be too powerful. Maybe if she killed him easily that could be true.

stesaurus · 25-04-2019 08:32PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But they said in the movie you can't effect the time line in such a way (them taking the stones not negating the snap). Dunno how the time stuff really works though. It's tough to work out.

Exactly so whatever he went back and did, had to have already happened. So whoever Peggy did marry we know know was really Cap but with a hidden identity. Then that leads to Cap knowing his younger self will eventually get with Sharon and he couldn't do a thing to change it. It's a mind bender really

But now I'm confusing myself with the timeline gobbledegook because how does Thanos get to where he snaps his fingers if he got pulled into the future from a time before that. Huh they really didn't explain things well...

Baggly · 25-04-2019 08:32PM

Enzokk wrote:

Yeah, I won't derail this thread but the problem is that a scene like this is needed. I didn't mind it and felt it was fine and like you say if it inspires people, surely that outweighs any negatives there may be with it.

I probably found it cringe because it wasn't for me. That's ok because every thing else in this movie was.

Hail hydra.

dreamers75 · 25-04-2019 08:35PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Yeah, I won't derail this thread but the problem is that a scene like this is needed. I didn't mind it and felt it was fine and like you say if it inspires people, surely that outweighs any negatives there may be with it.

As for Captain Marvel being overpowered, she didn't seem to end her fight well against Thanos. Don't know how that can be too powerful. Maybe if she killed him easily that could be true.

my 16yo daughter literally shouted YEAH at that scene. Gave out to me for not enjoying it(as much as her) and saying it was a bit forced and it could have been handled with a drone shot/type pan over all the females fighting and then standing behind him.

Mitch Connor · 25-04-2019 08:36PM

stesaurus wrote: »

Exactly so whatever he went back and did, had to have already happened. So whoever Peggy did marry we know know was really Cap but with a hidden identity. Then that leads to Cap knowing his younger self will eventually get with Sharon and he couldn't do a thing to change it. It's a mind bender really

But now I'm confusing myself with the timeline gobbledegook because how does Thanos get to where he snaps his fingers if he got pulled into the future from a time before that. Huh they really didn't explain things well...

I don't think that is right either.

The hail hydra, fight vs Cap and loki disappearing with the stone wouldn't have happened originally.

Probably best not to try work it out cause I can't place the realities being different with Cap being old at the end. Feels like it should be one or the other.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-04-2019 08:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I alone thinking there was too much comedy after the brooding atmosphere of IW?

I am with you. They did not get the blend right and needed to do more to give you a sense of the devastation that has happened and how it has impacted. The trailers seemed to do a better job of this, bizarrely.

That being said, it was a largely enjoyable movie that did it's best to try to get everybody into the right spot with run time being the enemy as it tried to set everything up for that battle.

stesaurus · 25-04-2019 08:41PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't think that is right either.

The hail hydra, fight vs Cap and loki disappearing with the stone wouldn't have happened originally.

Probably best not to try work it out cause I can't place the realities being different with Cap being old at the end. Feels like it should be one or the other.

Agreed they're taking liberties with their own rules but anyway I don't really care it's a movie about superheroes afterall.

Unearthly · 25-04-2019 08:47PM

The fact they showed Peter Quill dancing again to 'Come and Get Your Love' means I rated this film 10/10

johnny_ultimate · 25-04-2019 08:52PM

Unearthly wrote: »

The fact they showed Peter Quill dancing again to 'Come and get your love' means I rated this film 10/10

That bit made me wish James Gunn was behind the camera. I’m not the biggest fan of the GotG films, but they boast a clearly defined sense of style and tone. The Russo films come across as merely perfunctory in comparison - do the job, but not much of a signature of their own. Part of that comes with the territory with a crossover, but the reason GotG, Ragnarok and Black Panther are IMO the strongest of the Marvel films is because they’re a lot more confident stylistically.

GhostyMcGhost · 25-04-2019 08:55PM

Pter wrote: »

So how about that scene where batman turned up.

I thought Hugh Jackman was a better batman than he was as wolverine though

Ridley · 25-04-2019 08:55PM

Cared little for Infinity War and felt its runtime. Got on board with Endgame when it started

doing BttF 2

and enjoyed the ride for the most part.

Iron Man committing genocide to solve the problem and Spidey adtually using instant kill mode is ehhhh though.

Didn't realise until someone pointed it out but for Cap to

return the Soul Stone (and how is this done?), he has to encounter Red Skull.

stesaurus · 25-04-2019 08:56PM

Unearthly wrote: »

The fact they showed Peter Quill dancing again to 'Come and Get Your Love' means I rated this film 10/10

That was actually brilliant when the camera cut back and dropped the soundtrack to show how stupid he actually looked dancing like a loon

Victor · 25-04-2019 09:13PM

What scenes from trailers didn't make it, other than

the one with Black Widow on the firing range

Ridley wrote: »

Iron Man committing genocide

It's hardly genocide against an army.

This spoiler may spoil this and a future film. Be sure you want to take the chance.

Ridley wrote: »

Didn't realise until someone pointed it out but for Cap to return the Soul Stone (and how is this done?), he has to encounter Red Skull.

A soul for a soul. Black Widow lives.

dreamers75 · 25-04-2019 09:36PM

Victor wrote: »

What scenes from trailers didn't make it, other than
the one with Black Widow on the firing range

End scene from Captain Marvel and that same bit from the trailer.

Ridley · 25-04-2019 09:38PM

Victor wrote: »

It's hardly genocide against an army.

Fair enough,

"Iron Man's total annihilation of Thanos' forces"

then.

martingriff · 25-04-2019 09:43PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

End scene from Captain Marvel and that same bit from the trailer.

End scenes normally don't make it to the next movie do they

flazio · 25-04-2019 09:45PM

Victor wrote: »

What scenes from trailers didn't make it, other than
the one with Black Widow on the firing range

It's hardly genocide against an army.

This spoiler may spoil this and a future film. Be sure you want to take the chance.
A soul for a soul. Black Widow lives.

Or original Gamora

Cotts72 · 25-04-2019 09:48PM

Really wondering what the plan going forward with Black Widow is now considering theyve a movie lined up. granted its probably a prequel but dont see the point in that long term?

Also wonder if Loki taking the teseract when they time jumped sets up his new tv show

micks_address · 25-04-2019 09:53PM

Cotts72 wrote: »

Really wondering what the plan going forward with Black Widow is now considering theyve a movie lined up. granted its probably a prequel but dont see the point in that long term?

Also wonder if Loki taking the teseract when they time jumped sets up his new tv show

As others have pointed out she may be still alive.. I guess we just wait and see..

micks_address · 25-04-2019 09:56PM

Bit that was in the trailer of black widow shooting at a target with a gun.. was that in the movie?

ziedth · 25-04-2019 09:59PM

I enjoyed it I must say. It was never going to be a slam dunk with so much going on but all in all I thought it was as good as it could have been.

I wasnt fully sold on certain parts of the humour (Thors beer hut was a decent gag but I'm not sure was there a movies worth in it) and as mentioned above I let out a bit of a groan at the needless shoehorned female superhero empowerment scene but they are both fairly minor issues.

I had wondered how they were going to get around Loki's death with his TV show coming to Disney Streaming and it was a quick sidestep but I like that this version ok Loki in the show isn't going to be the hero that he turned into and more of the villain that will presumably have a redemptive storyline or whatever.

Loved Iron Man's and Cap's send off. Personally I think they fell into Nolan's trap from the Dark Knight rises and showed too much. I think a note carved into a tree and then a cut to them dancing would have had a better pay off. But it was an ending I didn't see coming and thought he was going to be killed off.

I was surprised by Black Widows end but maybe she wanted out or whatever but it fit well into the story.

All in all while not perfect and it's almost fashionable to hate on Marvel these days they deserve an awful amount of credit for pulling this off to the level that they have. The next set of movies (outside of guardians 3 and maybe spiderman) don't really interest me anywhere near as much so for me apart from bringing my son to them I kinda view this as my ending to the franchise.

Of these 20 odd films I would say half dozen have been excellent. 10 have been perfectly watchable with a couple of below average and none of them really poor IMO with a strong ending telling a full story. I don't think we'll see anything like it for a long time and certainly not to the same standard.

biggebruv · 25-04-2019 10:01PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

are they going to address the global catastrophe of 3.5bn people just turning up after 5 years in future movies or will it just be a magic reset button?
I mean how do you cope with food production etc after that amount of time at such a lower capacity?

Ah here it’s a superhero movie lol

biggebruv · 25-04-2019 10:03PM

Were was Samuel Jackson btw

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:03PM

So just back and loved it.

The first scene with

Hawkeye/Ronin

was emotional

Was not expecting

the jump to 5 years

.

I already thought that 1 of

Black Widow or Hawkeye/Ronin would die but as another poster said that due to the fact the soul stone was returned does that mean Black Widow lives and for the fact Gamora

Captain America wielding the Hammer was great and a nod to the comics. Where is the Hammer now. I thought Bucky might become the new Captain America but I suppose Sam was he Buckey in the future. Thought he was also going to die but after the scene with Peggy I was thinking he might go back somehow.

During the funeral I got something stuck in my throat and had to cough eventually when they but the power thing into the river like a viking funeral and was expecting everyone to turn around to tell me to sush. I have to go through everyone they showed at the funeral as there was 1 or 2 I was forgetting

How do they make the infinity Stone into the tesseract again?

Not sure I like the new Hulk

The end scene for Ironman was great thought he may do as he did but was still a wow he really did it but the cue by Dr. Strange was nice. The meet up with Peter and then the death scene with him and then Pepper brought the emotions .

Will be going to see it again and I am sure I am leaving stuff out but as I say just back

Oh ya just 1 more has Thor now joined the Guardians or is it as I suspect a good plot point to let him leave

micks_address · 25-04-2019 10:03PM

biggebruv wrote: »

Ah here it’s a superhero movie lol

There be a major run on brennans bread

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:04PM

biggebruv wrote: »

Were was Samuel Jackson btw

The very end when they are showing everyone at the funeral he is the last person they show standing on the porch on his own just behind Captain Marvel

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Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]