When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

Martina1991 · 25-04-2019 08:02PM

Charles Ingles wrote:

Have you ever heard of Thalidomide drug the attempted cover up with lies, big pharma can't be trusted. Some people don't want to give their kids certain vaccines that's ok, Autism is on the increase at alarming rates but nobody is allowed to question what is in these vaccines.

Do you have any credible source to back up this nonsense?

Martina1991 · 25-04-2019 08:04PM

Charles Ingles wrote:

My observation I hardly seen it growing up, small amount of cases within my children's school group, Now with my grandchildrens school groups it frightening the amount of children on the autism spectrum, By the way I've a relative with autism so I understand how tough it can be for families.

Your anecdotes are not evidence.

Charles Ingles · 25-04-2019 08:04PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Do you have any credible source to back up this nonsense?

Do you really need me explain about the Thalidomide drug scandal?

mzungu · 25-04-2019 08:05PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Do you really not think their is a rise in autism, I understand we are better now at diagnosis but I genuinely feel it's increasing a lot, I'm old enough to see a couple of generations.
My observation I hardly seen it growing up, small amount of cases within my children's school group,
Now with my grandchildrens school groups it frightening the amount of children on the autism spectrum,
By the way I've a relative with autism so I understand how tough it can be for families.

Like I said above, the rates haven't changed, we are just better at diagnosing. There were kids with ASD when you were young, just as many as there are today, the thing was you didn't know back then.

Bannasidhe · 25-04-2019 08:08PM

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The point here is that the Unicorn is used as a symbol of LGBT..which it is.
There's any amount of evidence to prove this.
Many on here and elsewhere rubbish this claim when its demonstrably true.

Taking that into account, a short stroll through any of Dunnes, Next, Tescos or any shop which carries childrens clothes, stationary, toys etc will illustrate that the unicorn symbol is absolutely everywhere.

Some people use it - it's not a general thing,
But even if it was - so what?

LGBT people exist. They are parents, teenagers, uncle, aunts, grandparents - and yes there are children who know they are gay - not in a sexual way but in the way that straight kids 'like' someone of the opposite gender - gay kids know that they 'like' someone of the same gender. And for decades they were made to feel shame about that. A shame that drove many to take their lives. So shame on you for complaining that a few t-shirt might make those kids feel included. A few t-shirts among the thousands of boys wear blue and play football/girls wear pink and like frills that dominate.

They are not going to make anyone catch the gay because it isn't contagious - but it might make the gay kid feel included. You might think that is a bad thing. I think thinking that is a bad thing is a bad way of thinking.

gandalf · 25-04-2019 08:10PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Do you really not think their is a rise in autism, I understand we are better now at diagnosis but I genuinely feel it's increasing a lot, I'm old enough to see a couple of generations.
My observation I hardly seen it growing up, small amount of cases within my children's school group,
Now with my grandchildrens school groups it frightening the amount of children on the autism spectrum,
By the way I've a relative with autism so I understand how tough it can be for families.

I'm sorry but when I grew up Autism was not known about. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. My son is eight now and I know from looking at the kids who have been diagnosed in his school that when I was a kid they would have been labelled as disruptive, stupid or disinterested. And yes my classes in primary and secondary school contained children and teenagers like that. In secondary school they got weeded down into the lower streams.

So I totally refute your assertions. Whats really frightening is that an adult is firing around dangerous opinions like that and ignoring the real evidence on display. Not vaccinating is creating real danger not only for the kids themselves but also to the real vulnerable children who cannot get vaccinations for real valid medical reasons.

SafeSurfer · 25-04-2019 08:10PM

I think it is too early to definitively say what effects vaccinations and even antibiotics have on health. We are only just discovering the links between gut bacteria and mental health. Having said that antibiotics and vaccinations save millions of lives so any potential harmful effects are outweighed by their positive impact on human health. To completely dismiss their potential harmful effects is, however naive.

gandalf · 25-04-2019 08:12PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Do you really need me explain about the Thalidomide drug scandal?

I suspect he is referring to what you said about autism. I also suspect you knew that as well and are avoiding it.

eviltwin · 25-04-2019 08:13PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Would you offer an opinion for the rise in autism?
I think it's to di with diet/ pesticides , maybe some cases could be linked to vaccines or maybe not.
But debating an issue doesn't make me a "headbanger"

Probably better understanding and diagnostic tools, autism didn't even have a clinical diagnosis until the 70's and 80's

Both my kids have autism, both were vaccinated. I don't believe there is a connection because I can see autistic traits in members of the family.

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 08:13PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Amazing all the people who want to shut down debate or different opinions.
Then they label people Nazis just because they don't agree with them.
A lot of what Gemma says 100% correct.
The more they attack her the closer she must be to the truth

So you believe the swamp creatures are responsible for terror attacks then? Each to their own I guess

Charles Ingles · 25-04-2019 08:14PM

gandalf wrote: »

I'm sorry but when I grew up Autism was not known about. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. My son is eight now and I know from looking at the kids who have been diagnosed in his school that when I was a kid they would have been labelled as disruptive, stupid or disinterested. And yes my classes in primary and secondary school contained children and teenagers like that. In secondary school they got weeded down into the lower streams.

So I totally refute your assertions. Whats really frightening is that an adult is firing around dangerous opinions like that and ignoring the real evidence on display. Not vaccinating is creating real danger not only for the kids themselves but also to the real vulnerable children who cannot get vaccinations for real valid medical reasons.

I'm not an anti vaxer, my point was we should listen to different opinions ask questions keep big pharma on their toes.
Also if parents are reporting bad reactions to certain vaccines they should be listened to.
People are afraid to speak up for fear of being shouted down

gandalf · 25-04-2019 08:21PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'm not an anti vaxer, my point was we should listen to different opinions ask questions keep big pharma on their toes.
Also if parents are reporting bad reactions to certain vaccines they should be listened to.
People are afraid to speak up for fear of being shouted down

There will always be a small number of kids who have bad reactions to vaccines. There will always be a small number of kids who cannot take vaccines. However the crud that GoD and her zealots are spouting is dangerous and causing parents not to vaccinate their children and by doing so they are putting other peoples children in danger.

This whole big pharma bollix is just that. The measles vaccine for example is proven and tested yet we have record numbers not vaccinating their kids and the disease is making a come back and lives ARE being lost because of this. You are facilitating this by casting aspirations on a proven vaccine. By all means question but do so based on facts not dubious opinions.

Now what are you basing your utterances about autism on? Which studies? Which papers? I hope it's not just your general observations from the good old days when your kids went to school?

RayCun · 25-04-2019 08:39PM

Patty Hearst wrote: »

She also tweeted this, looks like its from a primary school.

Hold on..I thought the whole Unicorn/LGBT school thing was all a big conspiracy theory?

There are hearts on that poster too. Does that mean hearts are gay iconography?

Ipso · 25-04-2019 08:53PM

What are the odds that Gemma is an Ancient Aliens fan?

its_steve116 · 25-04-2019 09:07PM

Ipso wrote: »

What are the odds that Gemma is an Ancient Aliens fan?

Not sure, but the music she and Morgan make is out of this world.

AndrewJRenko · 25-04-2019 10:38PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'm not an anti vaxer, my point was we should listen to different opinions ask questions keep big pharma on their toes.
Also if parents are reporting bad reactions to certain vaccines they should be listened to.
People are afraid to speak up for fear of being shouted down

Opinions don't count for sh1t when it comes to medical issues. It needs evidence, and all the evidence points clearly to the effectiveness of vaccines.

Vaccines cause adults.

Billy86 · 25-04-2019 10:56PM

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The point here is that the Unicorn is used as a symbol of LGBT..which it is.
There's any amount of evidence to prove this.
Many on here and elsewhere rubbish this claim when its demonstrably true.

Taking that into account, a short stroll through any of Dunnes, Next, Tescos or any shop which carries childrens clothes, stationary, toys etc will illustrate that the unicorn symbol is absolutely everywhere.

By this logic, every single builder out there with a hammer in hand is promoting a communist agenda. As does every hardware and DIY shop in existence.

25-04-2019 11:18PM

Patty Hearst wrote: »

The point here is that the Unicorn is used as a symbol of LGBT..which it is.
There's any amount of evidence to prove this.
Many on here and elsewhere rubbish this claim when its demonstrably true.

Taking that into account, a short stroll through any of Dunnes, Next, Tescos or any shop which carries childrens clothes, stationary, toys etc will illustrate that the unicorn symbol is absolutely everywhere.

What kid doesn't like unicorns?

As pointed out earlier when you or another poster provided a picture of some clothes earlier, my sister had a top very similar to one of them in the seventies or early eighties.

As stated earlier you can take this as a fact that designs/fashions are repeated every few years, or you can make it all about your homophobia and that it's all a gay brainwashing conspiracy by the garment industry since the then or earlier.

TaurenDruid · 26-04-2019 12:28AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think it is too early to definitively say what effects vaccinations and even antibiotics have on health. We are only just discovering the links between gut bacteria and mental health. Having said that antibiotics and vaccinations save millions of lives so any potential harmful effects are outweighed by their positive impact on human health. To completely dismiss their potential harmful effects is, however naive.

Well, your second bolded sentence is demonstrably correct, so...

As for your last sentence - I take several medicines. All of them have been tested, rigorously, before being certified for use on humans. They're all classed as safe - but they all have leaflets listing potential side effects. The anti-inflammatory I'm on right now can cause hepatitis, heart palpitations and anemia. The painkillers you can buy over the counter in Spar can cause death. So, for that matter, can the packet of peanuts you can buy.

Vaccines intended for the general population are even more rigorously tested than ordinary medicines, though. A tiny percentage of people will have a bad reaction to one, though. There have been countless studies into MMR and HPV vaccines, and they've all found them to be safe.

bells of shandon · 26-04-2019 08:16AM

Yes Thalidomide was rigourously tested before issue to pregnant women.It resulted in a worldwide case of children born with physical deformity effects.
The OxyContin abuse epidemic in the USA is another example of rigorous testing.
Big Pharmas only concern is to the bottom line of profit, first and foremost.
To question the efficacy of medicine or vaccination is a healthy attitude.
To attempt to shut down debate and accept any story put out by the Medical establishment is to neutralise your critical thinking ability, much too evident in Ireland today on many issues.
We are a much too trusting race of people ,much to easily led to swallow bull**** from so-called experts.
We need to be more sceptical, cynical and question more.

francois · 26-04-2019 08:36AM

bells of shandon wrote: »

Yes Thalidomide was rigourously tested before issue to pregnant women.It resulted in a worldwide case of children born with physical deformity effects.
The OxyContin abuse epidemic in the USA is another example of rigorous testing.
Big Pharmas only concern is to the bottom line of profit, first and foremost.
To question the efficacy of medicine or vaccination is a healthy attitude.
To attempt to shut down debate and accept any story put out by the Medical establishment is to neutralise your critical thinking ability, much too evident in Ireland today on many issues.
We are a much too trusting race of people ,much to easily led to swallow bull**** from so-called experts.
We need to be more sceptical, cynical and question more.

Nobody is shutting down debate. I'd trust an expert far more than some randomer on the internet

ohnonotgmail · 26-04-2019 08:58AM

bells of shandon wrote: »

Yes Thalidomide was rigourously tested before issue to pregnant women.It resulted in a worldwide case of children born with physical deformity effects.
The OxyContin abuse epidemic in the USA is another example of rigorous testing.
Big Pharmas only concern is to the bottom line of profit, first and foremost.
To question the efficacy of medicine or vaccination is a healthy attitude.
To attempt to shut down debate and accept any story put out by the Medical establishment is to neutralise your critical thinking ability, much too evident in Ireland today on many issues.
We are a much too trusting race of people ,much to easily led to swallow bull**** from so-called experts.
We need to be more sceptical, cynical and question more.

Perhaps you need to read up on the history of thalidomide before spouting off. It didn't cause effects worldwide. It was never approved by the FDA in the US. You are also talking about nearly 60 years ago. It also led to a tightening of drug testing standards. BTW the drug is still in use today.

Utter Consternation · 26-04-2019 09:02AM

bells of shandon wrote: »

We are a much too trusting race of people ,much to easily led to swallow bull**** from so-called experts.
.

Who should we listen to then? Uninformed simpletons on the internet?

circadian · 26-04-2019 09:28AM

Utter Consternation wrote: »

Who should we listen to then? Uninformed simpletons on the internet?

Vote Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for president!

Seriously though. Shutting down debate? Where is the debate being shutdown? This thread is still going, she's still posting on social media. All the quak madness is being questioned and derided with facts as it should be. If you want to voice dissenting opinions publicly then maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive when it's challenged. Especially when you openly challenge others, call them liars, lizard people or claim they're part of some freemason secret society to mind control the world.

Challenge and expect to be challenged. Take your ****ing oil Gemma.

TheRepentent · 26-04-2019 09:52AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

BTW the drug is still in use today.

Helps in treatment of leprosy if I remember correctly

ohnonotgmail · 26-04-2019 10:11AM

TheRepentent wrote: »

Helps in treatment of leprosy if I remember correctly

and certain cancers.

ohnonotgmail · 26-04-2019 10:12AM

circadian wrote: »

Vote Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for president!

Seriously though. Shutting down debate? Where is the debate being shutdown? This thread is still going, she's still posting on social media. All the quak madness is being questioned and derided with facts as it should be. If you want to voice dissenting opinions publicly then maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive when it's challenged. Especially when you openly challenge others, call them liars, lizard people or claim they're part of some freemason secret society to mind control the world.

Challenge and expect to be challenged. Take your ****ing oil Gemma.

I watched that film years ago and at the time i didnt realise how prophetic it was. Owen Wilson tried to warn us but we didnt listen.

bells of shandon · 26-04-2019 10:27AM

francois wrote: »

Nobody is shutting down debate. I'd trust an expert far more than some randomer on the internet

Definition of an expert,' Is SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE AND MORE ,ABOUT LESS AND LESS, UNTIL EVENTUALLY HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT NOTHING.

gmisk · 26-04-2019 10:33AM

bells of shandon wrote: »

Definition of an expert,' Is SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE AND MORE ,ABOUT LESS AND LESS, UNTIL EVENTUALLY HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT NOTHING.

I think you are maybe confusing an expert in a field with Henrys Cat....

ohnonotgmail · 26-04-2019 10:37AM

bells of shandon wrote: »

Definition of an expert,' Is SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE AND MORE ,ABOUT LESS AND LESS, UNTIL EVENTUALLY HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT NOTHING.

As opposed to somebody who started off knowing nothing and was happy to stay that way?

When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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