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Social housing destruction. Burnt out. Now horse stables!

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  • #2
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Legally, what can be done that won't have another section of the county or country having the exact same problem in a year's time?
    Personally, I think it's criminal damage of state property and should prosecuted as if they did it to City Hall.


  • #3
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,261 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Any tenants involved in these destructions of property should be black listed and have zero access to any housing supports. But everyone knows that'll never happen as nobody has the gumption to prosecute these people.


  • #4
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Looks like a disease spreading on a petra dish. I can't imagine what it's like for any decent people living next to these fu$kin animals


  • #5
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The entitled will only look for more.


  • #6
    RainNeverBow
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    Those who have destroyed the houses should absolutely face prosecution. You can't blacklisy people sadly though because the government has a responsibility to house people.

    That said Cllr Noel Larkin hired a drone this week to go over this area to score some goals just before the election

    Like his stunt a bit ago where he dug through some illegal dumping to find peoples addresses rather than calling the council. He literally just corrupted the evidence rather than doing anything useful

    Noel Larkin does not care about Ballybane. He has been an invisible Councillor riding on coattails for the past 5 years. He has done nothing for ballybane. The only time he talks about it is to give out about it. He had no interest in creating a sustainable community. He only wants to get votes. If re-elected he will disappear after May again, find himself in some cozy little pact and do nothing.

    I lived in Ballybane for a year. It is far from perfect. It's got a lot of issue. The one in the article is a real issue. But I don't believe the people raising about it genuinely care about Ballybane. You won't see them in the library, at local meetings, at litter cleanups or at schools. So long as we allow right wingers to frame these conversations nothing will get fixed.


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  • #7
    xtradel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭xtradel


    RainNeverBow wrote: »
    Those who have destroyed the houses should absolutely face prosecution. You can't blacklisy people sadly though because the government has a responsibility to house people.

    That said Cllr Noel Larkin hired a drone this week to go over this area to score some goals just before the election

    Like his stunt a bit ago where he dug through some illegal dumping to find peoples addresses rather than calling the council. He literally just corrupted the evidence rather than doing anything useful

    Noel Larkin does not care about Ballybane. He has been an invisible Councillor riding on coattails for the past 5 years. He has done nothing for ballybane. The only time he talks about it is to give out about it. He had no interest in creating a sustainable community. He only wants to get votes. If re-elected he will disappear after May again, find himself in some cozy little pact and do nothing.

    I lived in Ballybane for a year. It is far from perfect. It's got a lot of issue. The one in the article is a real issue. But I don't believe the people raising about it genuinely care about Ballybane. You won't see them in the library, at local meetings, at litter cleanups or at schools. So long as we allow right wingers to frame these conversations nothing will get fixed.

    If I go to any of these things will it change the attitude of these residents that were highlighted?


  • #8
    RainNeverBow
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    xtradel wrote: »
    If I go to any of these things will it change the attitude of these residents that were highlighted?

    No sadly don't think so. But there's more to erasing the criminals who should face justice. Need to create communities where it's less likely to happen. Not a coincidence that where communties that have strong activity have the least crime. And that requires things to be lead by who's vested interest is in creating something new. Councillors who get votes from this stuff have no incentive to prevent this stuff, only to manage it for votes.


  • #9
    shenanagans
    Registered Users Posts: 896 ✭✭✭shenanagans


    RainNeverBow wrote: »
    Those who have destroyed the houses should absolutely face prosecution. You can't blacklisy people sadly though because the government has a responsibility to house people.

    That said Cllr Noel Larkin hired a drone this week to go over this area to score some goals just before the election

    Like his stunt a bit ago where he dug through some illegal dumping to find peoples addresses rather than calling the council. He literally just corrupted the evidence rather than doing anything useful

    Noel Larkin does not care about Ballybane. He has been an invisible Councillor riding on coattails for the past 5 years. He has done nothing for ballybane. The only time he talks about it is to give out about it. He had no interest in creating a sustainable community. He only wants to get votes. If re-elected he will disappear after May again, find himself in some cozy little pact and do nothing.

    I lived in Ballybane for a year. It is far from perfect. It's got a lot of issue. The one in the article is a real issue. But I don't believe the people raising about it genuinely care about Ballybane. You won't see them in the library, at local meetings, at litter cleanups or at schools. So long as we allow right wingers to frame these conversations nothing will get fixed.

    Totally agree that those responsible should be prosecuted. There's a housing crisis and its a disgrace that the city council sit by and do nothing in a situation like this.

    I'm not interested in the upcoming local elections, but it's a fair point that it's probably a publicity stunt from Larkin. Let's see what he does about it between now and the elections.

    Note that area wasn't mentioned in the title of trend or my comments. I have nothing against the area.... Its the actions of the people involved.


  • #10
    RainNeverBow
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    shenanagans wrote: »
    Totally agree that those responsible should be prosecuted. There's a housing crisis and its a disgrace that the city council sit by and do nothing in a situation like this.

    I'm not interested in the upcoming local elections, but it's a fair point that it's probably a publicity stunt from Larkin. Let's see what he does about it between now and the elections.

    Note that area wasn't mentioned in the title of trend or my comments. I have nothing against the area.... Its the actions of the people involved.

    Wasn't a dig at you man. Just think it's important to note. Just something that grinds my goat. Hopefully something good will come of this


  • #11
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,261 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    RainNeverBow wrote: »
    Those who have destroyed the houses should absolutely face prosecution. You can't blacklisy people sadly though because the government has a responsibility to house people.

    That said Cllr Noel Larkin hired a drone this week to go over this area to score some goals just before the election

    Like his stunt a bit ago where he dug through some illegal dumping to find peoples addresses rather than calling the council. He literally just corrupted the evidence rather than doing anything useful

    Noel Larkin does not care about Ballybane. He has been an invisible Councillor riding on coattails for the past 5 years. He has done nothing for ballybane. The only time he talks about it is to give out about it. He had no interest in creating a sustainable community. He only wants to get votes. If re-elected he will disappear after May again, find himself in some cozy little pact and do nothing.

    I lived in Ballybane for a year. It is far from perfect. It's got a lot of issue. The one in the article is a real issue. But I don't believe the people raising about it genuinely care about Ballybane. You won't see them in the library, at local meetings, at litter cleanups or at schools. So long as we allow right wingers to frame these conversations nothing will get fixed.
    You say you can't blacklist people, but what would your solution be for those who destroy properties that the public purse has paid for? Give them another one? Fool me once.......


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  • #12
    Time
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    I've said it before and i'll say it again, we need to have something along the line of the "scum villages" they have in the Netherlands, where people like this are moved, and live in what are essentially shipping containers. The government fulfils its obligations, and if these animals don't like it they're free to pay for their own accommodation at full market rate.


  • #13
    biko
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    Please stop referring to these people as "animals". They are still people.

    Even on Google maps you can see the dire state of the place.
    For some reason the google streetview car did not drive through this estate.
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fana+Glas,+Galway/@53.2849042,-8.9969146,123m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x485b9139e5928c27:0x84b95df2cdeda762!8m2!3d53.2847204!4d-8.997471


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
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    What's the evidence that the house burning down was malicious and not accidental?


  • #15
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the evidence that the house burning down was malicious and not accidental?

    Exactly. And even if it was, how would the council ever get evidence about who exactly did what.




    It's only 1-2 generations since the video below was made. Most of the kids in it will now be adults living in the area. Given the situation they were brought up in, it's hardly surprising that some don't know how to look after houses. If anything the amazing thing is that some of their own children are doing so well. (Yes, some aren't. But I've met some who are too.)

    It's easy to say "don't give them another" - but what exactly should be done with the people involved. Private sector landlords aren't exactly going to take 'em. There will be complaints left right and centre if they move into caravans anywhere. Shooting them is illegal. What other options are there???

    Arrgh ... not my day for getting the embedding thing working. Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8toal4297g


  • #16
    TerrorFirmer
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the evidence that the house burning down was malicious and not accidental?

    5 out of the 8 units are uninhabitable due to severe damage.

    One is completely destroyed, several others are very badly damaged, boarded up and stripped of fittings.

    One former home is supposedly being used as stables for horses. There's illegal burning being carried out on a pretty widespread scale.

    I don't think there's any question of the wider destruction being a simple misfortune in all fairness.

    These people should be prosecuted, and ideally blacklisted.


  • #17
    shenanagans
    Registered Users Posts: 896 ✭✭✭shenanagans


    At the very least whoever has/had the leases should be asked for an explanation. Cause? Time frame?

    If no account is given then any/all benefits should be suspended.... If they are in receipt of any benefits.

    Also the council should be doing more to monitor instances like this. These houses are clearly inhabitable for a long time.... What the hell have they done about it? Nothing.

    Its shocking for people living nearby. The council should be held to account. What's being done? When will site be cleaned up? Fire hasard to surrounding residents!

    Some people in the council need to get of their backsides and do their jobs. Turning a blind eye is unacceptable.


  • #18
    Bredabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,170 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the evidence that the house burning down was malicious and not accidental?

    The cllr who was speaking on the radio about the footage went out of his way to say something to the effect that he was not 'just blaming travellers';)
    Last I saw, the whole interview was on the gbfm www.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



  • #19
    tipptom
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    Is this or was a purpose built enclave for travellers?

    No where have I seen or heard travellers being mentioned on this thread or the radio programme even though the destruction to the houses that was given to them,the stabling of horses,the dumping and burning of rubbish and general destroying and pollution of the environment has all the hallmarks of what travellers are doing to purpose built houses for them all over the country.

    The more people are afraid to call them out on this systematic behaviour the longer it becomes engrained as their culture and the taxpayer continues to suffer through fear.


  • #20
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    tipptom wrote: »
    Is this or was a purpose built enclave for travellers?

    No where have I seen or heard travellers being mentioned on this thread or the radio programme even though the destruction to the houses that was given to them,the stabling of horses,the dumping and burning of rubbish and general destroying and pollution of the environment has all the hallmarks of what travellers are doing to purpose built houses for them all over the country.

    The more people are afraid to call them out on this systematic behaviour the longer it becomes engrained as their culture and the taxpayer continues to suffer through fear.

    Most travellers do not treat their housing in the way shown in the drone footage.


  • #21
    bobbyss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    You would wonder what thoughts the fire brigade have in relation to causes etc. But the council have the details of all occupiers and am sure are making their investigations and prosecutions if appropriate. I just wish they would keep citizens informed of all of that. I wonder where the people who were given these houses are living now?
    As regards who lives or lived there, the council has that information and should let us know. I wouldn't like a person involved in the burning of a house (if it wasn't an accident) come to live next door to me.


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  • #22
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Most travellers do not treat their housing in the way shown in the drone footage.
    Where have I said most travellers?


  • #23
    Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    biko wrote: »
    Please stop referring to these people as "animals". They are still people

    Yes, they are. But what is a better term for people who cause that much damage to where they live? Those houses are set back in their own cul de sac, which itself is remote enough, so it's obviously not other people coming by dumping all that rubbish, and bin services are readily available there. So there is absolutely no excuse at all for acting that way, especially in a house provided by the state. The bottom line is they have no respect for themselves, the environment or society in general if they act like that so i stand by my statement and my suggestion of what to do with them.


  • #24
    bobbyss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    Mrs OBumble wrote:
    It's easy to say "don't give them another" - but what exactly should be done with the people involved. Private sector landlords aren't exactly going to take 'em. There will be complaints left right and centre if they move into caravans anywhere. Shooting them is illegal. What other options are there???


    I take your point about Travellers not knowing how to look after a house bearing in mind where they come from. Up to a point.
    But I think everybody knows the diference between having a house to live in and turning your house into a stable for your horses to live in-if that in fact is the case. (And what a luxury in life to be able to afford the horses)

    I think the fundamental problem is a lack of education.Traveller girls leave education before, at or just after Junior Cert. Many get married at 18 or thereabouts. They have little interest or value in education. The more education the more choices. I've not seen that film before and how disappointing it is to see another eulogy of Travellers in the media. Did I hear the 'strong men' look after the horses? Did I hear a kid say the Travellers are bringing the old ways back by having horses? I don't know who the presenter was (?) and if he wants to make a film about Travellers' plight then fair enough. It would be nice if were balanced and truthful also.
    It would also be interesting to hear what Pavee Point think about those houses. You're likely to hear them make noise when a report from the EU or the UN points a finger at the government, but have little to say about stuff like this.


  • #25
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The entitled will only look for more.

    And why not when they have SF, PBP and RTE to speak up for them?

    It's middle Ireland workers who are voiceless


  • #26
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    RainNeverBow wrote: »
    Those who have destroyed the houses should absolutely face prosecution. You can't blacklisy people sadly though because the government has a responsibility to house people.

    That said Cllr Noel Larkin hired a drone this week to go over this area to score some goals just before the election

    Like his stunt a bit ago where he dug through some illegal dumping to find peoples addresses rather than calling the council. He literally just corrupted the evidence rather than doing anything useful

    Noel Larkin does not care about Ballybane. He has been an invisible Councillor riding on coattails for the past 5 years. He has done nothing for ballybane. The only time he talks about it is to give out about it. He had no interest in creating a sustainable community. He only wants to get votes. If re-elected he will disappear after May again, find himself in some cozy little pact and do nothing.

    I lived in Ballybane for a year. It is far from perfect. It's got a lot of issue. The one in the article is a real issue. But I don't believe the people raising about it genuinely care about Ballybane. You won't see them in the library, at local meetings, at litter cleanups or at schools. So long as we allow right wingers to frame these conversations nothing will get fixed.

    You have got to be joking!

    " right wingers framing the conversation"

    The narative surrounding people who take no responsibility for themselves and cause annoyance to everyone else has been completely dominated by the left for thirty years.

    Your approach has utterly failed


  • #27
    RainNeverBow
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    You have got to be joking!

    " right wingers framing the conversation"

    The narative surrounding people who take no responsibility for themselves and cause annoyance to everyone else has been completely dominated by the left for thirty years.

    Your approach has utterly failed

    A completely farce. Right wing politicans have dominated Irish politics for the past thirty years. The only time you could argue they didn't was a brief time in the 90's. The right wing approach has failed


  • #28
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    tipptom wrote: »
    Is this or was a purpose built enclave for travellers?

    No where have I seen or heard travellers being mentioned on this thread or the radio programme even though the destruction to the houses that was given to them,the stabling of horses,the dumping and burning of rubbish and general destroying and pollution of the environment has all the hallmarks of what travellers are doing to purpose built houses for them all over the country.

    The more people are afraid to call them out on this systematic behaviour the longer it becomes engrained as their culture and the taxpayer continues to suffer through fear.

    The media deliberately withold the fact travellers are involved in wrongdoing, only when it's a cuddly traveller story is their " culture" referred to


  • #29
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    RainNeverBow wrote: »
    A completely farce. Right wing politicans have dominated Irish politics for the past thirty years. The only time you could argue they didn't was a brief time in the 90's. The right wing approach has failed

    Your utterly deluded if you think anything approaching right wing policy has touched any area of this country socially for decades , policy has been directed by the left, the result is an underclass who have no regard for anyone, enough pandering to the feckless, we had no money fifty years ago yet we didn't have feral communities scattered throughout the country, we need a proper stick approach with regard law enforcement forcement, endless carrot as lobbied for by clueless bleeding hearts has utterly failed

    The left have cheered on the downgrading of the family unit as the basis for society and encouraged a culture of dependency towards mammy state


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    Politics Forum is that way ---->


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  • #31
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,997 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    The Donovan and McDonagh-Delaney families say Cllr Noel Larkin, did a “good thing” in releasing drone footage in the weeks preceding recent local elections showing houses burnt out and piles of rubbish around their group-housing scheme in Ballybane

    Other families moved out in the past decade, their houses left empty too, they say. The properties have been vandalised and stripped over the years by people from outside the estate, they claim. The dumping too, they say, is by outsiders – including Travellers.
    Mr McDonagh points to boulders around the entrance to the scheme, which he says he asked the council for, to stop vans reversing in and out.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/galway-travellers-delighted-that-dumping-and-vandalism-exposed-1.3912804


  • #32
    ronnie3585
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    It’s always someone else’s fault.


  • #33
    biko
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    I doubt someone would have the balls to go vandalising traveller's houses.
    They're not known for their timid nature if there is a problem..


  • #34
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    zell12 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/galway-travellers-delighted-that-dumping-and-vandalism-exposed-1.3912804

    I've always envied the quick and unrestricted access that Travellers and Illegal Immigrants (more elegantly described as Asyslum Seekers) have to Kitty Holland and her pals in the Irish Times's "bleeding heart" unit.

    I wonder would Kitty be willing to give similar coverage to the unfortunate member of the Settled Community who opened this thread?


  • #35
    bobbyss
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    I wonder did the family take a photo and report anyone they caught dumping?


  • #36
    Sonny noggs
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    biko wrote: »
    I doubt someone would have the balls to go vandalising traveller's houses.
    They're not known for their timid nature if there is a problem..

    Must have been the Amish again.


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  • #37
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    https://www.thejournal.ie/galway-traveller-movement-accommodation-report-4136574-Jul2018/

    Galway Travellers ‘delighted’ that dumping and vandalism exposed

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/galway-travellers-delighted-that-dumping-and-vandalism-exposed-1.3912804


  • #38
    punisher5112
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    STB. wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/galway-traveller-movement-accommodation-report-4136574-Jul2018/

    Absolute rubbish.....

    Pity none of them can actually clean up after themselves.....


  • #39
    NIMAN
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    My house would have rats and flies around it too....




    If I didn't actually clean up after myself and my kids, threw rubbish out the back, dumped nappies for the council to clean up etc.

    You've gotta laugh at them. They create the filth then moan about conditions they live in.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    Please stop referring to these people as "animals". They are still people.

    It’s an insult to animals calling them animals, no animal would act the way they do.


  • #41
    happyoutscan
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    I worked on the Ballybane Irish Communtity Resource Center in the early 2000's (the extension to the existing gym/hall).

    Was on that job for a good few months. The surrounding estate then was smaller but there are plenty of stories I could tell you from then. Absolute mayhem.


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  • #42
    ben.schlomo
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    Same as when these particular houses were being built and at the same time being stripped of pipes, tiles, etc. Par for the course with these sorts.


  • #43
    punisher5112
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    Why doesn't our reporters and news agencies actually do some work and show them up for who they really are....

    Obviously there are to many in the private sector making shed loads of money off providing the housing and building such sites for them.

    They burn anything that a family member died in so that would explain why most houses on the sites are destroyed but don't forget the stripping of materials and also the stock piling of anything such as precious metals that they have to burn outer sheathing off to expose the metal....

    Scrap yards that take in materials off these should be shut down and only registered and legal forms allowed and once procedures are followed for public and environmental safety.

    Theft of catalytic converter is huge now too.


  • #44
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    And then what do we do? Build more prisons? Condemn someone else to live with them?
    All well and good exposing the behaviour but what can be done (within the confines of the U.N convention on Human Rights) to eradicate or confine the problem?


  • #45
    _Whimsical_
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    Cllr Larkin said the photographs depicted the “wanton destruction” of houses that were built with public money. He estimated that some €2 million worth of “damage and destruction” was caused to the properties – “an utter disgrace” given the huge number of people deemed homeless and on the City Council’s housing waiting list.

    “If someone came into Galway and robbed €2 million in a bank heist, it’d be all over the news, but here you have €2 million worth of damage caused to public property, that’s €2 million of taxpayers’ money, and there isn’t a word about it,” fumed Cllr Larkin.

    I think that Cllr Larkin summed it up there. There has to come a point where we start to frame wanton destruction of publicly funded property in this manner, it is no better than robbery. We have a far too lackadaisical attitude to these things and while there are people willing to make excuses for it, it will continue, while it's "PC" to ignore it , media outlets won't cover it with the vigor it deserves lest their patronage be affected.
    At this point to say some communities can't help it is the ultimate degradation of their humanity.

    I'm actually glad we have a Councillor willing to take this on, it requires some serious guts.


  • #46
    NIMAN
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    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    I think that Cllr Larkin summed it up there. There has to come a point where we start to frame wanton destruction of publicly funded property in this manner, it is no better than robbery. We have a far too lackadaisical attitude to these things and while there are people willing to make excuses for it, it will continue, while it's "PC" to ignore it , media outlets won't cover it with the vigor it deserves lest their patronage be affected.
    At this point to say some communities can't help it is the ultimate degradation of their humanity.

    I'm actually we have a Councillor willing to take this on, it requires some serious guts.

    Although totally different cases, this reminds me of the child grooming etc in those English cities, that the authorities turned a blind eye to as they didn't want to appear to be racist.

    Now that travellers have got protections under the law, everyone in any place to say so is scared sh1tless of calling them out, for fear of being called a racist.

    Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. And fair play to this guy for highlighting it, unlike others who are pussyfooting around, using generic language that isn't offending anyone.

    If I went in and wrecked a house belonging to the local authority, I'd be arrested and put in jail, yet these folk are allowed to ruin perfectly good houses and f&*& all is done about it. They appear to be above the law.


  • #47
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    flazio wrote: »
    And then what do we do? Build more prisons? Condemn someone else to live with them?
    All well and good exposing the behaviour but what can be done (within the confines of the U.N convention on Human Rights) to eradicate or confine the problem?

    Hmm! that might well be a solution.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #48
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Hmm! that might well be a solution.

    OK maybe "eradicate" wasn't the word I was looking for but, you get my point. We want the problem off our doorsteps, We elect officials to decide what to do, they don't have a clue other than to put the problem on someone else's doorstep, and on and on it goes.
    Is there anyone out there with a workable idea that will not have us in international courts for discrimination, racism cultural appropriation etc.
    Tell me there's light at the end of this tunnel.


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