Time to bring back hanging?

Plumbthedepths · 17-04-2019 12:53PM

weldoninhio wrote:

Want a hand with those goalposts??

Not at all but the fact that innocent people have gone to the gallows is a reason not to have a death penalty.

Say Your Number · 17-04-2019 12:55PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRPcssq-7Us

Mr. teddywinkles · 17-04-2019 01:13PM

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Death is to easy for some of the worst scum.
I have an alternative. Torture. Cut of all there limbs and there eyes. But take time doing it. Leave the ears. Play Barney all the time.
This way they would be easy to maintain. Just feed them through a tube. Would require small spaces as well.

I'd hate to encounter the person assigned to carry out this procedure. Be worse than the person there carving up.

Mr. teddywinkles · 17-04-2019 01:16PM

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Death is to easy for some of the worst scum.
I have an alternative. Torture. Cut of all there limbs and there eyes. But take time doing it. Leave the ears. Play Barney all the time.
This way they would be easy to maintain. Just feed them through a tube. Would require small spaces as well.

The person carrying out this would be more mentally unstable than the person that it's done to

marieholmfan · 17-04-2019 01:18PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

I'd hate to encounter the person assigned to carry out this procedure. Be worse than the person there carving up.

I'd say you could sell the right to do it! :P

El Weirdo · 17-04-2019 01:23PM

Danzy wrote: »

I wouldn't trust the Guards enough with that ultimate sanction.

It is the sizable minority of them that are pure corrupt that would abuse it.

Do you even know how the justice system works in this country?

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

I'd hate to encounter the person assigned to carry out this procedure. Be worse than the person there carving up.

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

The person carrying out this would be more mentally unstable than the person that it's done to

marieholmfan wrote: »

I'd say you could sell the right to do it! :P

The prosecution rests, your honour.

randd1 · 17-04-2019 01:30PM

Death penalty only for mass murderers, serial killers or contract killers. No hanging, just lethal injection. Guilt would have to be proven beyond doubt. You'd have to wait 5 years for the sentence to be carried out, during which an independent review team would have to review the case to see if a death sentence is merited along guidelines in respect to the severity and nature of the crimes.

To be perfectly honest, I think there should only be remission on sentences if the prisoner willingly engages in a works programme (like the chain gangs) to pay back society.

Fifty grades of shay. · 17-04-2019 01:33PM

I'd say we all say at some stage that hanging is, too good for someone.
It's interesting to note the poll options too, paedophiles get the number one spot.
But I'd say if there's was a lad or lassie about to be hanged then the country would be very protestive of it.
There are more humane ways to have a death penalty too, could have been an option.
But I just think the death penalty is to severe for any crime.

Your Face · 17-04-2019 01:37PM

topper75 wrote: »

OK - sounds like a reasonable fear.

To what end though do we keep say, an extreme case like an unrepentant multiple child murderer, alive on taxpayer funds indefinitely until they die naturally many years hence in a cell? I can't see what exactly that is supposed to achieve. If they can't be rehabilitated and we are never letting them out, why use up tax payer funds keeping them alive in a cell, potentially for decades?

To keep them away from everyone else.

Our taxes are spent on a lot of nonsense, so using it to keep a "unrepentant multiple child murderer" away from society is relatively good value.

weldoninhio · 17-04-2019 01:37PM

Danzy wrote: »

I wouldn't trust the Guards enough with that ultimate sanction.

It is the sizable minority of them that are pure corrupt that would abuse it.

Guards don't sentence anybody.

weldoninhio · 17-04-2019 01:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not at all but the fact that innocent people have gone to the gallows is a reason not to have a death penalty.

Make it for people who have 50+ convictions. You would wanna be fierce unlucky to accrue that many while innicent.

seamus · 17-04-2019 01:51PM

Death penalty only allowed if the lawmakers who vote in favour of it are the ones who have to push the button/pull the lever, and they have to do it while standing in front of - and facing - the convict's family. No sunglasses or masks allowed.

If the convict is ever exonerated, the law requires that the executioner is executed as penance for his mistake.

Or they can choose to commute the sentence to life imprisonment instead.

17-04-2019 01:56PM

The stupidity of the "bring back capital punishment" argument. It's just so many shades of counterproductive stupidity.

Lynched/Hanged, 1955: 14-year-old Emmet Till. If you haven't familiarised yourself with what happened to him and his murderers, you can start here

Lynched/Hanged, 1981: 19-year-old Michael Donald

People are thinking 'but they were illegal'. The point is that the legal forms of the above are really not much better. In the vast majority of cases they are hugely counterproductive. Often, the offender prefers to die than be incarcerated so ironically it's often more persecution for the offender to be kept alive.

Then there are the very, very many wrongful convictions, which is the outstanding reason why capital punishment is morally indefensible. We who followed the Birmingham Six case in detail in the late 80s/early 1990s will remember how the pressures on the police, and on the forensic scientist Frank Skuse, resulted in innocent people being framed for crimes they didn't commit. In pre-ban on capital punishment times they would all have been executed. Instead, 16-17 years later they were declared innocent. RTÉ had a riveting historical series a few years tracing Irish people who were hanged, and they concluded that many of them were probably innocent scapegoats (but always poor and marginalised, obviously).

There are far, far, far too many innocent people executed in all societies where the death penalty remains legal. If you have the money to buy a good legal team, you are much, much more likely not to be executed in the US. Guess what happens the poor black kids without that money? Capital punishment is riddled with class (and in the US race) prejudices. That is an indisputable fact. People who claim being against the death penalty is merely "political correctness" are very silly people indeed.

El_Bee · 17-04-2019 02:14PM

We wouldn't have many individuals who are simply too dangerous to be ever reintroduced to society, and it's not like we have much a functional judical system to begin with when you think about cases like that guy who strangled a child and got out after 3 years I think we need to focus on tightening up our sentencing procedures first.

marieholmfan · 17-04-2019 02:17PM

Not sure of the relevance of murder to capital punishment.
People die every day.
Why should paedophiles be any different?

Deleted User wrote: »

The stupidity of the "bring back capital punishment" argument. It's just so many shades of counterproductive stupidity.

Lynched/Hanged, 1955: 14-year-old Emmet Till. If you haven't familiarised yourself with what happened to him and his murderers, you can start here

Lynched/Hanged, 1981: 19-year-old Michael Donald

People are thinking 'but they were illegal'. The point is that the legal forms of the above are really not much better. In the vast majority of cases they are hugely counterproductive. Often, the offender prefers to die than be incarcerated so ironically it's often more persecution for the offender to be kept alive.

Then there are the very, very many wrongful convictions, which is the outstanding reason why capital punishment is morally indefensible. We who followed the Birmingham Six case in detail in the late 80s/early 1990s will remember how the pressures on the police, and on the forensic scientist Frank Skuse, resulted in innocent people being framed for crimes they didn't commit. In pre-ban on capital punishment times they would all have been executed. Instead, 16-17 years later they were declared innocent. RTÉ had a riveting historical series a few years tracing Irish people who were hanged, and they concluded that many of them were probably innocent scapegoats (but always poor and marginalised, obviously).

There are far, far, far too many innocent people executed in all societies where the death penalty remains legal. If you have the money to buy a good legal team, you are much, much more likely not to be executed in the US. Guess what happens the poor black kids without that money? Capital punishment is riddled with class (and in the US race) prejudices. That is an indisputable fact. People who claim being against the death penalty is merely "political correctness" are very silly people indeed.

whisky_galore · 17-04-2019 02:22PM

Poll heading is bollocks.

Gimme A Pound · 17-04-2019 02:24PM

Having looked at the poll, clearly a parody thread.

With regard to capital punishment though, hard for me to decide. Objectively, the state having the power to end a life is something more befitting societies we do not want to be emulating.

But then when I hear of some child killer piece of sh1t getting the chair or lethal injection in the U.S., it pleases me greatly.

Boom_Bap · 17-04-2019 02:27PM

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

I'd normally charge 50 to bring back haggling but for you, my friend, can have it for 40

What about 30 and this bag of seedless grapes?

Plumbthedepths · 17-04-2019 02:35PM

weldoninhio wrote:

Make it for people who have 50+ convictions. You would wanna be fierce unlucky to accrue that many while innicent.

Happily capital punishment will never be on the statue books in this country again. So enjoy the nonsense.

topper75 · 17-04-2019 02:49PM

If we are against capital punishment (which BTW has nothing to do with the extra-judicially murdered Emmett Till whatsoever Fuaranach) then how to we justify locking up people for life. What does it achieve? Is it merely cowardliness on the part of our society? We wait for decades at great expense for 'nature' to do anyway what we should have done?

I find it odd this belief that, though we believe murder to be wrong, we think that the right to life cannot be forfeit, and that a murderer gets to live on utterly disregarding anything they may have done. What is the ethical basis for this principle?

I might be picking at scabs here or risking a derailment - but worth mentioning to those of an overly liberal persuasion that our law as it stands can see an unborn child forfeit their lives if they are deemed inconvenient to a parent (with no transgression committed) whereas a murderer, even an unrepentant multiple murderer, has a right to life enshrined and utterly unassailable.

How do Irish people square this in their heads? I cannot.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-04-2019 02:56PM

I said I felt glad when I heard that Ted Bundy had fear in his eyes at the moment of execution. But you know what? The thought of him sitting in jail for decades before dying makes me just as happy. He hated being imprisoned. I was thrilled that Myra Hindley died in prison after spending much of her time incarcerated trying to be released. LOL. I love the thought of Anders Breivik stewing in his cell, not getting the media attention he craves. I don’t see what’s so much better about putting these people to death. And of course people have been given posthumous pardons. Great, I’m sure their skeletons are delighted. :rolleyes:

Varik · 17-04-2019 02:58PM

Wouldn't mind if they brought corporal punishment back.

Stocks in particular, would say a week in that would be more of a punishment than 6 months with sitting on their ass watching TV for the 100rd conviction.

Probably some nice none suffocating\scalding substitute for tarring and feathering.

Anteayer · 17-04-2019 02:59PM

I don’t agree with the concept of the state killing people. As soon as you cross that line, the moral high ground has been lost and you’re into vengeance rather than justice.

Also what happens if you’ve a miscarriage of justice? No system is beyond making a mistake. In a situation like that the state would have murdered an innocent person.

Also from a deterrent point of view, it doesn’t stand up. Look at the USA which has the death penalty in many states, yet has a much higher homicide rate than anywhere in Europe, where the death penalty has been abolished.

You also don’t solve the lax sentencing and reoffending issue by reintroduction of a death sentence. They’re unrelated issues. The majority of issues here with reoffending are petty crime and drug related addiction driven stuff. We fail abysmally at tackling that due to systemic issues.

I’m more than happy to have a system that’s above putting people to death. It’s barbaric and we’ve moved on.
There are certain issues worth standing your ground on and this is one of them.

Boom_Bap · 17-04-2019 03:01PM

Anyone want to hang out later?

Mr. CooL ICE · 17-04-2019 03:02PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What about 30 and this bag of seedless grapes?

Ooh, seedless grapes! I look forward to cultivating with them.

Plumbthedepths · 17-04-2019 03:02PM

topper75 wrote:

I might be picking at scabs here or risking a derailment - but worth mentioning to those of an overly liberal persuasion that our law as it stands can see an unborn child forfeit their lives if they are deemed inconvenient to a parent (with no transgression committed) whereas a murderer, even an unrepentant multiple murderer, has a right to life enshrined and utterly unassailable.

Oh FFS, please don't start this crap.

marieholmfan · 17-04-2019 03:14PM

Anteayer wrote: »

Also what happens if you’ve a miscarriage of justice? No system is beyond making a mistake. In a situation like that the state would have murdered an innocent person.

Don't agree with execution of innocent people.
This poll is about executing the guilty.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-04-2019 03:17PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

Don't agree with execution of innocent people.
This poll is about executing the guilty.

Well, innocent people have been executed. And it will continue to happen. It’s virtually impossible to guarantee it won’t happen in the future.

freshpopcorn · 17-04-2019 03:21PM

No. I don't think really reduces crime what I've seen/heard.

I did know people and they were all for hanging/death penalty for drug dealers/etc. However when somebody they knew got caught with a large amount of drugs. They did everything possible to get them out of a jail sentence.

Gimme A Pound · 17-04-2019 03:42PM

topper75 wrote: »

If we are against capital punishment (which BTW has nothing to do with the extra-judicially murdered Emmett Till whatsoever Fuaranach) then how to we justify locking up people for life. What does it achieve? Is it merely cowardliness on the part of our society? We wait for decades at great expense for 'nature' to do anyway what we should have done?

I find it odd this belief that, though we believe murder to be wrong, we think that the right to life cannot be forfeit, and that a murderer gets to live on utterly disregarding anything they may have done. What is the ethical basis for this principle?

I might be picking at scabs here or risking a derailment - but worth mentioning to those of an overly liberal persuasion that our law as it stands can see an unborn child forfeit their lives if they are deemed inconvenient to a parent (with no transgression committed) whereas a murderer, even an unrepentant multiple murderer, has a right to life enshrined and utterly unassailable.

How do Irish people square this in their heads? I cannot.

Well I'm not overly liberal yet I can appreciate that a baby is far from fully formed early on in the pregnancy (people don't like the phrase "a bunch of cells" but that's what it is for a while - it's absurd to compare that to a fully formed being) and while I'd prefer it if all pregnancies went to full term, sometimes the option to have an abortion very early on is necessary. And it's not always just due to inconvenience (rarely I'd bet).

I'm in two minds about capital punishment.

Time to bring back hanging?

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