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Time to bring back hanging?

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  • #32
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Ridiculous poll options.
    Anyway, my answer would be no. Because death is too good for some monsters, and because of the risk of an innocent person being wrongly convicted and subsequently killed.
    Hi there Susie - I set the poll up - do you mind if I ask why you believe that the options are ridiculous?


  • #33
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    No, as it's usually the poor or disadvantaged that end up facing the death penalty. The demographic of death row in the states is an eye opener.


  • #34
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,418 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    I see 11 No and 41 for various forms of yes.

    I was only including the options that you added to the poll, not the one added by a mod later. You must be pretty desperate to prove your point if you're happy to include the final option in your figures.


  • #35
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    If there is such a thing as a loaded question, then that is a loaded poll.

    Also, OP - why hanging? Would you be in favour of stoning or do you support pedophilia?
    (see? I can do it too....)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #36
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Your Face wrote: »
    No.
    I don't trust anyone to have power over life and death.

    OK - sounds like a reasonable fear.

    To what end though do we keep say, an extreme case like an unrepentant multiple child murderer, alive on taxpayer funds indefinitely until they die naturally many years hence in a cell? I can't see what exactly that is supposed to achieve. If they can't be rehabilitated and we are never letting them out, why use up tax payer funds keeping them alive in a cell, potentially for decades?


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  • #37
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    If there is such a thing as a loaded question, then that is a loaded poll.

    Also, OP - why hanging? Would you be in favour of stoning or do you support pedophilia?
    (see? I can do it too....)
    NO! Stoning is foreign muck!


  • #38
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Hi there Susie - I set the poll up - do you mind if I ask why you believe that the options are ridiculous?

    Because they are one sided and disingenuous.

    "Yes! But only for crimes committed by third world immigrants!" -- I mean, do you really expect to be taken seriously when you included this as an option?


  • #39
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    No - I didn't vote my answer isn't included.

    No because it's the sign of a medieval society and we have enough religious nutters trying to rewind the clock back centuries without resorting to barbarism ourselves.


  • #40
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No. I wonder about the death penalty and it's impact on murders. If you know abusing a child is going to result in your death wouldn't you kill the child to prevent identification? After all, if the penalty for murder and child abuse are the same you have nothing to lose.

    I also think from the victims point of view the mental impact on them of an abuser being put to death, especially if it's a family member, would be devastating.

    To be fair, if you were going to face years in prison and public humiliation would you be willing to risk it?

    Stuff like prison isn't a deterrent for people who commit these crimes so I doubt the death penalty would be. IT's not like anyone who commits these crimes does the mental calculations beforehand and expects to get caught.

    The death penalty is stupid idea anyway. Whatever about it being a suitable punishment for a particular crime. at some point we would kill an innocent person. Anyone in favor of it is essentially saying they're willing for an innocent person to die so that some guilty people die too.


  • #41
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Grayson wrote: »
    Anyone in favor of it is essentially saying they're willing for an innocent person to die so that some guilty people die too.
    People die y'know. This would overwhelmingly be used against 'bad people' and most people executed unfairly were guilty of something anyway.


    You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. You could be hit by lightning.


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  • #42
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Because they are one sided and disingenuous.

    "Yes! But only for crimes committed by third world immigrants!" -- I mean, do you really expect to be taken seriously when you included this as an option?
    Well there are people talking about Balbriggan on this discussion forum who say that the criminal children of African immigrants (not children of course but rather adolescents or young adults) should be punished according to African norms not Irish norms.


    It would for example allow the hanging of members of one of the so called Islamic rape gangs should one emerge here.




    Just for the avoidance of doubt I am in favour of hanging for serious recidivists largely as a cost saving measure.


  • #43
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No, as it's usually the poor or disadvantaged that end up facing the death penalty. The demographic of death row in the states is an eye opener.

    You'll find all sorts on Death Row.

    Being poor is not a mitigating factor in the commission of heinous crime.


  • #44
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,101 ✭✭✭✭lertsnim


    Look at those poll options. They are utterly stupid.


  • #45
    pawdee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭pawdee


    I'd recommend it for aging beef and game birds. As a method of capital punishment I'd prefer the guillotine (last used in France in 1977).


  • #46
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Nope


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do I get to nominate who gets hung?


  • #48
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    No.

    The death penalty is illegal in the EU and the Council of Europe.
    The death penalty was fine when there were insecure prisons, we have the means to keep people who need to be locked up, locked up.

    To bring back the death penalty would mean leaving the EU and the much broader council of Europe. It would be a most backward step for Ireland.


  • #49
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Grayson wrote: »
    To be fair, if you were going to face years in prison and public humiliation would you be willing to risk it?

    Stuff like prison isn't a deterrent for people who commit these crimes so I doubt the death penalty would be. IT's not like anyone who commits these crimes does the mental calculations beforehand and expects to get caught.

    The death penalty is stupid idea anyway. Whatever about it being a suitable punishment for a particular crime. at some point we would kill an innocent person. Anyone in favor of it is essentially saying they're willing for an innocent person to die so that some guilty people die too.

    I think if you're arrogant enough to think you can get away with it you will feel that way regardless of the penalty.

    It's not a detterant, other countries have had the death penalty for years and crime is still a problem.

    There is a reason why most modern countries are pushing back against it.


  • #50
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We're not backward savage animals.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #51
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I'd prefer to bring back haggling


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  • #52
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    We're not backward savage animals.

    I am


  • #53
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I'd prefer to bring back haggling

    I'd normally charge 50 to bring back haggling but for you, my friend, can have it for 40


  • #54
    Church on Tuesday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    A life long jail sentence, with only basic resources (no Playsation nonsense), humane treatment (access to health services etc) and hard menial labour.

    For those not physically strong for such labour, work should consist of menial tasks.

    Classes once a week for educational opportunities in the evening after tasks are complete.

    Like it or not, prisoners have it too good in prison in the main; it should be a place you dread to go too, otherwise what's the point?


  • #55
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No, as it's usually the poor or disadvantaged that end up facing the death penalty. The demographic of death row in the states is an eye opener.

    Who cares who they are?? If they do the crime let them swing.


  • #56
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No.

    The death penalty is illegal in the EU and the Council of Europe.
    The death penalty was fine when there were insecure prisons, we have the means to keep people who need to be locked up, locked up.

    To bring back the death penalty would mean leaving the EU and the much broader council of Europe. It would be a most backward step for Ireland.

    That God we have secure prisons nowadays and no scrotes with 200+ convictions roaming the streets. :rolleyes:


  • #57
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    weldoninhio wrote:
    Who cares who they are?? If they do the crime let them swing.


    And if they didn't? Does soz make everything ok?


  • #58
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    And if they didn't? Does soz make everything ok?

    Want a hand with those goalposts?? :rolleyes:


  • #59
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    That God we have secure prisons nowadays and no scrotes with 200+ convictions roaming the streets. :rolleyes:

    That is not the fault of having secure prisons, it is a failure of the justice system.


  • #60
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I wouldn't trust the Guards enough with that ultimate sanction.

    It is the sizable minority of them that are pure corrupt that would abuse it.


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  • #61
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    I don’t believe governments/courts should have the right to take life. So it’s a no from me.

    BTW - those are ridiculous poll options.


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