Apollo 11

valoren wrote: »

Conspiracy Forum is that way

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The President of the United States was incapable of keeping an affair with an intern a secret and yet 20% of Americans believe that one of the biggest engineering feats in history, funded by tax payer dollars, at it's peak involving 400,000 personnel and completed in view of the watching world was a government conspiracy. Humans, given their nature, have a tendency to talk and it's very much suprising that almost half a million of them collectively decided to kept schtum about such an iconic event in history for half a century and counting. :pac:

It's easy to forget what a big deal the Apollo missions were back in the 1960's. This documentary will give us some awesome sense of the scale such an operation required. I'd liken Nasa in the early 60's as a runner who just finished a 10km run and is then shocked after getting informed by their employer that they must complete an Ironman triathlon in one year's time. They would slowly go from thinking it was not actually possible in such a time frame to focusing their attention on that goal and getting everything organised to allow for them to finish such an arduous task. They wouldn't need to break any records, or have perfect form, they would just need to cross the finish line safely.

And on not going back? Apollo 'went' first in 1968 and then, get this, went back three times in 1969, once in 1970, twice in 1971 and twice again in 1972. Remember in the Simpsons, when George Harrison pulled up in a limo and saw The B-Sharps play 'Baby of Board' on the roof of Moe's Tavern? His response was a knowing "...it's been done"

I get a giggle out of the Apollo hoaxers and should know better to bite but it can all be readily explained through a toxic cocktail of general ignorance of physics in space, a very understandable and ingrained hatred and apathetic attitude towards maths and engineering, coupled with a healthy mix of personality disorders with chips on their shoulders, who at best always think they are right and at worst, must always be right. You'd be surprised how many people can't give a general, high level overview of how everyday things like car engines, radio etc work. Scale that indifference up to something like ground tracking of a spacecrafts state vector in deep space and watch people's boredom and indifference become palpable. It also provides fertile soil for people who sound like they know what they're talking about but are purposefully hoodwinking gullible people with what can only be described as plausible bull****. Debating with or trying to ably explain the how of Apollo to such people is an exercise in futility. They believe it never happened and so that's that.

How Apollo was accomplished, not forgetting the Gemini missions for orbital rendezvous- long duration flight-dress rehearsals, is taken for granted and we pigeonhole people with an interest in such things as geeks, nerds etc. I can appreciate how a car engine works, I can't service it for you but I can grasp how it works. I can sit in my car and I can grasp how I can hear the DJ's voice. Don't ask me to do the maths to explain it but I can intuitively understand how. In the same vein I, and the people looking forward to this documentary, can accept and appreciate how Apollo went from a launch pad in Florida to the moon and back to the Pacific ocean. You don't need a Phd in Astrophysics to grasp how that happened. If you can appreciate that an object by it's nature can fall, then you are capable of grasping how first Apollo fell 'up' and then fell all the way back down to earth. With style. To throw it 'up' required the most powerful machine ever devised and to get the crew down to and 'up' from the lunar surface required a machine with a face only an engineer could love but it didn't need to be beautiful, it just needed to work. In this doc we'll get to see both those machines in 70mm.

When we watch this documentary we can begin to grasp how engineer's in the 60's utilized and expanded on centuries of scientific, mathematical and engineering knowledge to accomplish a lunar orbit only sixty five years after the first human powered flight. The following year after the lunar module was thoroughly checked out, first in earth orbit (Apollo 9) and then in lunar orbit (Apollo 10) the Apollo 11 crew landed the craft on the moon. We will appreciate the laser like focus Apollo demanded from the litany of engineers, technicians and support crew in order to meet their deadline.

I readily believe some people can't accept that other people are really smart and through human ingenuity such achievements as a lunar landing were able to become a reality going from an engineering dream to the goal of a cold war era superpower. Never underestimate what is possible and what can be achieved through a winning combination of clever people, unlimited funds and a deadline. In today's media age, engineers (aka "boffins") successfully landing the Rosetta probe get's overshadowed by one of the scientists wearing an inappropriate, offensive shirt with that making the headlines and not the ingenuity of how a probe was landed on a Comet!

The proponents who fuel the conspiracy also need to be called out because they are all too happy to exploit the general public's ignorance outlined above. The one's who produce evidence of the hoax are the snake oil salesmen. They are the one's who know Apollo was reality, who have the working knowledge but who manipulate and lure in those susceptible to big conspiracies but lack the basic acumen to recognise the hoodwinking. The Apollo hoax is an industry unto itself and all those books, hoaxer exhibition events and revenue based youtube videos are big money spinners. Their evidence of a conspiracy has been debunked ad nauseum by the scientific community but that is not going to stop anytime soon and these nefarious people are only too happy to line their pockets pronouncing that the Apollo missions never happened. The sad part is that more and more young people will continue to be baffled, confused by and let down by rote learning of Mathematics and Science which will wrongly foster in them a fear of these subjects leading to the general ignorance (the 20%) outlined above which in turn will perpetuate the Apollo hoax nonsense.

homah_7ft wrote: »

Is this being shown outside Dublin by any chance?

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Well it’s in Cineworld as well as that’s where I saw it

Edit: Screenings listed on the official website. It’s showing in Cork for sure at the moment. Screening in Limerick on July 22nd, and maybe a Galway screening next week?

https://www.apollo11movie.co.uk/

Sad Professor wrote: »

See Johnny Ultimate's post from last night where he recommended seeing it in IMAX.