Penalty points

16thelegend · 11-04-2019 08:39PM #1

A friend of mine has a serious problem,
What will happen he has got 21 penalty points, in a period of 3 months,
What kind of Ban will he get?

biko · 11-04-2019 09:27PM

Did you mean 12 points?
Any driver accumulating 12 penalty points within any given three-year period will be automatically disqualified from driving for six months.

16thelegend · 11-04-2019 09:29PM

biko wrote: »

Did you mean 12
points?

NO 21 POINTS... going through the port tunnel several times and not realizing the speed limit

Furasta · 11-04-2019 09:32PM

16thelegend wrote: »

NO 21 POINTS... going through the port tunnel several times and not realizing the speed limit

Probably time to buy a bicycle, and possibly a lawyer. Most definitely will get a driving ban of some sort, insurance rates for him will skyrocket.

biko · 11-04-2019 09:33PM

Possibly he will get 6months ban and then have another 9 points left

vicwatson · 11-04-2019 09:36PM

Toward the second ban

Miike · 11-04-2019 10:02PM

*followed*

please update this thread.

tuxy · 11-04-2019 10:05PM

So after 12 points his licence would be suspended. What happens if you continue to accumulate points on a suspended licence?

CiniO · 11-04-2019 10:19PM

As far as I remember reading, if you reach or exceed 12 points, you get 6 months ban, which after expiring resets your penalty points to 0.
That's regardless if you had 12 or over.

However it's purely what I remember and I might be wrong here.

Miike · 11-04-2019 10:24PM

CiniO wrote: »

As far as I remember reading, if you reach or exceed 12 points, you get 6 months ban, which after expiring resets your penalty points to 0.
That's regardless if you had 12 or over.

However it's purely what I remember and I might be wrong here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/penalty-points-loophole-means-drivers-ignoring-disqualification-benefit-1.3097405

Not from what this article concludes

He will have 12 or the 21 expunged after 6 months ban and have 9 left. Good luck getting insured after a disqualification and still having 9 points

mattser · 11-04-2019 10:33PM

16thelegend wrote: »

A friend of mine has a serious problem,
What will happen he has got 21 penalty points, in a period of 3 months,
What kind of Ban will he get?

I don't know OP. Not wishing him bad. I got 3 penalty points three years ago ( 1st ever ), and drove VERY carefully after.
Not that I hadn't done before.
My crime was 65 in a 50.
They've expired now.
I've noticed since that most drivers are pi**ing by me while I'm adhering to the limits.

bri007 · 11-04-2019 10:37PM

I’m the exact same, got caught a few years ago doing 64 in 60 and have been adhering to the speed limit ever since, the crap I get though, people beeping, overtaking constantly and one wanting to get out at the lights and have a fight.....

mattser wrote: »

I don't know OP. Not wishing him bad. I got 3 penalty points three years ago ( 1st ever ), and drove VERY carefully after.
Not that I hadn't done before.
My crime was 65 in a 50.
They've expired now.
I've noticed since that most drivers are pi**ing by me while I'm adhering to the limits.

bazz26 · 11-04-2019 10:38PM

How does one accumulate 21 points without already receiving a ban/court appearance well before that or is this an early rendition of tall tale Sunday?

11-04-2019 10:43PM

Over the limit a few times using the tunnel for maybe the first time but not doing what you would do on any other road and paying attention to the speed limit signs? Is that even possible????? Once ok maybe. If it is possible your pal deservers to be off the road .

JustARandomGuy · 11-04-2019 11:16PM

bri007 wrote: »

I’m the exact same, got caught a few years ago doing 64 in 60 and have been adhering to the speed limit ever since, the crap I get though, people beeping, overtaking constantly and one wanting to get out at the lights and have a fight.....

I would never accept a ticket for being 4 over. Jesus.

CiniO · 11-04-2019 11:19PM

bazz26 wrote: »

How does one accumulate 21 points without already receiving a ban/court appearance well before that or is this an early rendition of tall tale Sunday?

Is there a fixed speed camera in the tunnel?

If so, then one could not know about it, and be over the limit every time he/she passes. Commuting through tunnel 2x per day, and after 4 days you can accumulate 21 points and this still leaves a space for passing a tunnel once within speed limit.

Obviously fining system doesn't work that quick, so by the time you get your first letter with fine, it's already too late.

It doesn't look that difficult to accumulate 21 points without receiving a ban prior to that.

tuxy · 11-04-2019 11:21PM

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

I would never accept a ticket for being 4 over. Jesus.

How would you go about contesting this in court?

Rubberchikken · 11-04-2019 11:21PM

any tool that isnt aware of soeed limits etc shouldnt be given a licence.
people (and i use the term loosly) are a menace on our roads and their disrespect and arrogance is shameful.

tuxy · 11-04-2019 11:24PM

The port tunnel uses fixed average speed cameras. Is there anywhere else in Ireland with fixed speed cameras?

ED E · 11-04-2019 11:29PM

tuxy wrote: »

The port tunnel uses fixed average speed cameras. Is there anywhere else in Ireland with fixed speed cameras?

The booths are fixed but the internals are moved around, or at least they used to be. Something like 6 cameras and 120 positions if remember correctly.

Rubberchikken · 11-04-2019 11:33PM

why does anyone need to remember or even be cobscious of where cameras are?
just obey the rules of the road. its not that difficult.

oh wait..for some it seems to be.

tuxy · 11-04-2019 11:35PM

Interesting, has this system been deployed anywhere else in the country?
Reports from 2017 show they were catching about 250 people per month at the port tunnel.

kbell · 11-04-2019 11:40PM

Before the m1 was constructed past ravensdale and connected to the A1, the old Dublin road past newry had average speed cameras, dunno if they’re still operating on that stretch of road anymore tho.

bri007 · 11-04-2019 11:50PM

Traffic cop

argued it but he said see you in court so just paid it and accepted the points!

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

I would never accept a ticket for being 4 over. Jesus.

K.Flyer · 12-04-2019 12:51AM

16thelegend wrote: »

A friend of mine has a serious problem,
What will happen he has got 21 penalty points, in a period of 3 months,
What kind of Ban will he get?

Hopefully a permanent ban for their repeated disregard for speed limit signs.
There are illuminated signs at each end of the tunnel warning of speed cameras and the speed limit. In the tunnel there are illuminated speed limit signs reminding you again of the speed limit.
I can understand someone getting caught once or even twice, but so many times shows stupidity.

16thelegend · 12-04-2019 05:29AM

This is not a bull**** story, I quote he said those cameras don’t work stupidity is right or that might be being nice to him... he will have to give the van back to the company. Dublin transport system will be his best friend..

I will update the post when I know more.

highdef · 12-04-2019 07:08AM

K.Flyer wrote: »

Hopefully a permanent ban for their repeated disregard for speed limit signs.
There are illuminated signs at each end of the tunnel warning of speed cameras and the speed limit. In the tunnel there are illuminated speed limit signs reminding you again of the speed limit.
I can understand someone getting caught once or even twice, but so many times shows stupidity.

Can't agree more. The port tunnel is probably the only stretch of road in the country that has bright illuminated 80 km/h signs every few hundred metres. If a driver does not notice them, I'd consider that as driving without due care and attention. If the driver does see the signs but chooses to ignore them, I'd call it pure stupidity.

Hopefully the lesson will be learned and hopefully your friend tells the story to his friends and those friends tell the story to their friends.....it might lead to a few more people actually driving within the legal limits on the public roads.

SCOOP 64 · 12-04-2019 10:09AM

bri007 wrote: »

Traffic cop argued it but he said see you in court so just paid it and accepted the points!

Think i would have went to court, and paid the extra fine if it went against me, just to highlight to court, yeah this guard is a complete c...t,.
i think a lot of people would show sympathy in this case.

theteal · 12-04-2019 10:40AM

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

I would never accept a ticket for being 4 over. Jesus.

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Think i would have went to court, and paid the extra fine if it went against me, just to highlight to court, yeah this guard is a complete c...t,.
i think a lot of people would show sympathy in this case.

Yeah but, aren't most speedos set a few kmph lower than actual measured kmph. So if the gard clocked you 4kmph over, your speedo would have been showing closer to 10kmph over the limit. No excuse there really no matter how negligible the amount

tuxy · 12-04-2019 10:47AM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Think i would have went to court, and paid the extra fine if it went against me, just to highlight to court, yeah this guard is a complete c...t,.

But under what grounds would you contest it? If the garda has all evidence correctly recorded you are the one that will look like a complete c..... with 5 points to show for it.

12-04-2019 10:50AM

bazz26 wrote: »

How does one accumulate 21 points without already receiving a ban/court appearance well before that or is this an early rendition of tall tale Sunday?

Fairly easily. If you don't know the speed limit and carry on as usual, past a camera, you will get points notification several days later (often not knowing, to that point, that you did anything wrong)
Now imagine that you use that stretch of road twice a day, at that same speed, until the notification arrives?

Should the OP friend have copped the speed limit? Yes
Is it a balls that you are not informed of a transgression immediately, to allow you to correct your behaviour? Well... yes.

It's one of the reasons I dislike static cameras and vans, they do nothing to stop the behaviour immediately. Allowing people to speed their way to a potential accident, for several days, until notification.
Cops with a hairdryer, at least, pull you over immediately.

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