Housing Crisis

bri007 · 10-04-2019 09:18AM

Try paying €400-600 a week rent.... the bills are also crazy at the moment! A friend of mine is renting and he can’t afford to top up his electricity meter. He has worked since leaving school over 15 years ago and just works to pay his rent, thing is he never once complains just gets on with it.

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I live in a council house but its no all its made out to be

Granted the rent is €30 a week but the bills are crazy at the moment. Plus im waiting 2 months on the council to fix the bulb in the bathroom some issue with being in arrears.

I might fall in the dark and claim off them its getting so bad lol

Sweet.Science · 10-04-2019 09:18AM

petes wrote: »

What bills are crazy?

Electricity - supplement is pittance, sky tv, my phone, car insurance is just too dear driving without it now, its the only choice we have lol

Cina · 10-04-2019 09:19AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Electricity - supplement is pittance, sky tv, my phone, car insurance is just too dear driving without it now, its the only choice we have lol

Troll.

10-04-2019 09:20AM

That person wants a council-owned property or even a housing association home because it is secure, government policy is to rely on HAP mostly because the councils cant build large scale social housing anymore for a variety of reasons and the housing association can't do it fast enough.

I can almost guarantee that the woman in question will get a job of some sort once she gets social housing.

The people who put themselves forward on a program are self-selecting and do not represent anyone but themselves RTE have to fill the program.

Kivaro · 10-04-2019 09:20AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Social housing priority should be given to working parent(s), not scroungers who have never worked a day in their entire lives and are trying to game the system.

This.

But unfortunately, the €2.4 billion that will be spent building brand new homes and apartments around the country in 2019, will be primarily for the people gaming the system, and the projected sizeable numbers coming in from abroad to game the system. Just as a reminder, 20% of all families in Dublin who declare themselves homeless arrive in the country from outside the EU. It's no wonder that they come here though; with many more billions of euros to be spent by Irish tax-payers on free houses/apartments in the next 3 years.

Our only push back is in the upcoming local and European elections. We should remind those knocking on our doors that the focus should not be only on the segment of society who are gaming the system. Focus should be on the people who are making an effort to contribute to society, but are knocked down by high rents, unaffordable homes, and terrible local services .... just because of the fact that they are working. They cannot compete against government agencies, councils, and 'NGO' housing organisations who are pricing them into poverty.

NIMAN · 10-04-2019 09:21AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I live in a council house but its no all its made out to be

Granted the rent is €30 a week but the bills are crazy at the moment. Plus im waiting 2 months on the council to fix the bulb in the bathroom some issue with being in arrears.

I might fall in the dark and claim off them its getting so bad lol

I assume you are trolling?

If not, then why are you in arrears? You even admit that €30 per week is not a lot, so why are you behind?

And here's an idea, can you change the bulb yourself??? Its not rocket science. Or have you a friend or family member who would know how to change a light bulb?
why wait on the state to do it for you.

I despair.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 10-04-2019 09:22AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There isn’t that much difference in real disposable income.

Well, there should be! Somebody who is working full-time should have more disposable income than somebody who never intends to lift a finger.

Also, "real disposable income" ignores that houses have become an enormously valuable asset that many working people can only dream of.

An average 3-bedroom semi in Dublin costs around €450k, well above the maximum borrowing range of €320k for a dual-income couple on average salaries.

How are regular working people supposed to afford homes?

mikemac2 · 10-04-2019 09:22AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Electricity - supplement is pittance, sky tv, my phone, car insurance is just too dear driving without it now, its the only choice we have lol

2/10

is_that_so · 10-04-2019 09:25AM

Kivaro wrote: »

This.

But unfortunately, the €2.4 billion that will be spent building brand new homes and apartments around the country in 2019, will be primarily for the people gaming the system, and the projected sizeable numbers coming in from abroad to game the system. Just as a reminder, 20% of all families in Dublin who declare themselves homeless arrive in the country from outside the EU. It's no wonder that they come here though; with many more billions of euros to be spent by Irish tax-payers on free houses/apartments in the next 3 years.

Our only push back is in the upcoming local and European elections. We should remind those knocking on our doors that the focus should not be only on the segment of society who are gaming the system. Focus should be on the people who are making an effort to contribute to society, but are knocked down by high rents, unaffordable homes, and terrible local services .... just because of the fact that they are working. They cannot compete against government agencies, councils, and 'NGO' housing organisations who are pricing them into poverty.

Do you have a link for these "projected" sizeable numbers?

ThunbergsAreGo · 10-04-2019 09:26AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

They do, because just like yourself they’re quite fond of looking down on people less fortunate than themselves. They’re not interested in the answers to the tough questions though or coming up with viable solutions, they tend to be more interested in acting the prick under the guise of feigning concern for the children.

RTE dont.......

and the biggest one is "Where was the kids dad?"

Its hard to blame the people involved, it is successive government that have fostered this dependence and allowed people to game the system and media such as RTE who refuse to ask any tough questions that dont involve blaming said government that have led to this

10-04-2019 09:33AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I live in a council house but its no all its made out to be

Granted the rent is €30 a week but the bills are crazy at the moment. Plus im waiting 2 months on the council to fix the bulb in the bathroom some issue with being in arrears.

I might fall in the dark and claim off them its getting so bad lol

Many a true word spoken in jest! Love your sense of humor!

10-04-2019 09:35AM

Maeve Deep Species wrote: »

Well, there should be! Somebody who is working full-time should have more disposable income than somebody who never intends to lift a finger.

Also, "real disposable income" ignores that houses have become an enormously valuable asset that many working people can only dream of.

An average 3-bedroom semi in Dublin costs around €450k, well above the maximum borrowing range of €320k for a dual-income couple on average salaries.

How are regular working people supposed to afford homes?

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/17-sycamore-road-finglas-east-finglas-dublin-11/4324702

If you are seriously looking I drive by there a lot, lovely area good public transport, excellent schools, mature area its got a lot going for it.

10-04-2019 09:36AM

Now you can see why there’s a “housing” crisis! Short term pain for long term gain. Coupled with the many homeless “Charities” and you can bet we’ll have a homeless crisis for decades to come.

Dalomanakora · 10-04-2019 09:40AM

Maeve Deep Species wrote: »

Someone sitting pretty with her three or four kids, free house in Dublin, and generous state benefits is, in all reality, far more "fortunate" than some poor sod of a taxpayer commuting and working 11+ hours a day in the hopes of maybe someday being able to afford a home and family of his own.

I'm one of those "poor sods." I work full time, and I'm trying to upskill to get a higher paying job. Ultimately though, I will never afford my own home, not with how things are now. I can't even afford rent at the moment. So I'm saving to go back to college at night to upskill. I have qualifications but nothing that has helped me increase my pay or job title unfortunately.

It's actually horrifying to sit here as an adult working hard, working full time, and knowing I'll never own a home and I'll probably never be able to afford to have a family if I wanted one. Thankfully I don't want children, but I'd be fecked if I did.

I could realistically be signed off work sick or even go on disability because of health problems that affect my work, but I wouldn't do that, I prefer to work.

But at the same time, I can't massively begrudge single mothers. With the price of childcare, they'd be working purely to pay for said childcare, they wouldn't afford private rent on top of that. The system is broken when it's financially better for a single mother to stay on welfare than to work.

That's not the mothers' faults, it's the government's fault. Obviously we shouldn't have kids we can't afford, but when the cost of childcare and rent prohibits single parents from working, I can't blame them for fighting for a home.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 10-04-2019 09:40AM

mariaalice wrote: »

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/17-sycamore-road-finglas-east-finglas-dublin-11/4324702

If you are seriously looking I drive by there a lot, lovely area good public transport, excellent schools, mature area its got a lot going for it.

Many people on the housing list would turn their noses up at that.

But it'll do some poor sod of a taxpayer, I suppose.

TomSweeney · 10-04-2019 09:43AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That’s exactly what it is!

They do, because just like yourself they’re quite fond of looking down on people less fortunate than themselves. They’re not interested in the answers to the tough questions though or coming up with viable solutions, they tend to be more interested in acting the prick under the guise of feigning concern for the children.

Less fortunate ?
She's making €2,888 CLEAN a month for nothing, she is a lot better off than me !!

After Tax I earn €2,500 and I have 2 kids and pay a mortgage - fair enough I live in Spain, costs are less ... but this is ****ing crazy!!!

TomSweeney · 10-04-2019 09:45AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I live in a council house but its no all its made out to be

Granted the rent is €30 a week but the bills are crazy at the moment. Plus im waiting 2 months on the council to fix the bulb in the bathroom some issue with being in arrears.

I might fall in the dark and claim off them its getting so bad lol

0/10 trolling attempt, try harder

Dude89 · 10-04-2019 09:46AM

Plenty of non EU scroungers in the country also OP playing the same game.

Keyzer · 10-04-2019 09:51AM

Snotty wrote: »

This person is just abusing the system because they can, the system needs to change to stop these sorts breeding and then expecting someone else to look after them forever.
Unfortunately it won't change, we have very liberal polical parties and none will ever made any tough decisions on the parasites in this country.

Exactly... Weak politicians from successive governments and a system ripe for abuse.

Spongers gonna sponge...

Housing crisis me bollóx...

TomSweeney · 10-04-2019 09:52AM

Dalomanakora wrote: »

I'm one of those "poor sods." I work full time, and I'm trying to upskill to get a higher paying job. Ultimately though, I will never afford my own home, not with how things are now. I can't even afford rent at the moment. So I'm saving to go back to college at night to upskill. I have qualifications but nothing that has helped me increase my pay or job title unfortunately.

It's actually horrifying to sit here as an adult working hard, working full time, and knowing I'll never own a home and I'll probably never be able to afford to have a family if I wanted one. Thankfully I don't want children, but I'd be fecked if I did.

I could realistically be signed off work sick or even go on disability because of health problems that affect my work, but I wouldn't do that, I prefer to work.

But at the same time, I can't massively begrudge single mothers. With the price of childcare, they'd be working purely to pay for said childcare, they wouldn't afford private rent on top of that. The system is broken when it's financially better for a single mother to stay on welfare than to work.

That's not the mothers' faults, it's the government's fault. Obviously we shouldn't have kids we can't afford, but when the cost of childcare and rent prohibits single parents from working, I can't blame them for fighting for a home.

Now this is a ****ing crying shame, here is a productive member of society being treated this way - disgracegul.
Imagine if they wanted kids ? presumably there kids would also be future productive members of society and would pay tax etc.

Govt. thinks it's better to fund wasters that game the system that will each have ~4/5/6/7 kids that will also grow up to be little parasites.

Imagine Ireland in 50 years time, 3rd world ****hole I'd imagine!

bri007 · 10-04-2019 09:53AM

Can’t see it changing anytime soon, If anything it’s just going to get worse until a strong government (dreaming) start doing something about it.

As I pointed out on a previous thread in a few months ago, a guy I went to school with has recently got his girlfriend pregnant and ‘are now homeless’ and looking for a ‘gaff’ yet he is out drinking everyday, has a car and goes away on holidays yet is on the dole.

The system is massively flawed, he told me straight out they will get a place on his girlfriend circumstances and then he will moved in.

Dyr · 10-04-2019 09:57AM

This is the problem with setting up a system that works off a most-in-need basis. You'll always have people who'll make the whole situation worse by gaming it while the poor fookers doing the right thing are left in dire straits.

There was time when getting council housing was reliant on a good track record.

Deebles McBeebles · 10-04-2019 09:58AM

bri007 wrote: »

Can’t see it changing anytime soon, If anything it’s just going to get worse until a strong government (dreaming) start doing something about it.

As I pointed out on a previous thread in a few months ago, a guy I went to school with has recently got his girlfriend pregnant and ‘are now homeless’ and looking for a ‘gaff’ yet he is out drinking everyday, has a car and goes away on holidays yet is on the dole.

The system is massively flawed, he told me straight out they will get a place on his girlfriend circumstances and then he will moved in.

You can report them if/when that happens. Someone I know recently got a knock on their door and was told they owe 26k for something very similar.

Sweet.Science · 10-04-2019 10:12AM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

You can report them if/when that happens. Someone I know recently got a knock on their door and was told they owe 26k for something very similar.

RATS OUT !!

NIMAN · 10-04-2019 10:22AM

Maeve Deep Species wrote: »

Many people on the housing list would turn their noses up at that.

But it'll do some poor sod of a taxpayer, I suppose.

... and therein lies the problem.

Beggars are allowed to be chosers.

10-04-2019 10:33AM

NIMAN wrote: »

... and therein lies the problem.

Beggars are allowed to be chosers.

That is a different issue, housing has become fetishised in a lot of ways as well, its not just housing its an investment, its a reflection of status and class ect, huge swathes of middle-class buyer want to stay where they grew up even if the average house price in the area is say 400k and are outraged why they can't afford in the areas they want I do feel sorry for people but it goes across all section of society.

Cordell · 10-04-2019 10:38AM

Snotty wrote: »

Unfortunately it won't change, we have very liberal polical parties and none will ever made any tough decisions on the parasites in this country.

Socialist, not liberal. Liberal, in both American and especially in the European sense will have nothing to do with that.

amadangomor · 10-04-2019 10:53AM

Cordell wrote: »

Socialist, not liberal. Liberal, in both American and especially in the European sense will have nothing to do with that.

Don't know about Socialism as a term for this either- Socialism should be based on equality for people and everyone who can contributing to the social pact.

What we have here is able bodied people who contribute nothing except procreating and expect to get everything handed to them.

bri007 · 10-04-2019 10:54AM

The point that poster I think was making was that people who are working, paying rent or mortgages have very little choice where they can buy or rent.

Also, is it too much to ask for someone renting or buying a house to not have to commute more than 100-200kms a day to get to and from work.... while people on RTÉ like last night can pick and choose where they want to live and decline it. People working haven’t that choice unfortunately due to high rents so yes they actually can’t pick where they like to rent or buy. I know plenty of friends from my way that have bought in border counties and do serious amount of mileage every week. They don’t get to see there kids until the weekend as they are up at 5:30 and not home until late evening.

I think the points people are trying to make on here is that working people have to take anything or anywhere to buy a house, but the frustrating thing is some that stay at home have more of a choice without the cost involved!

mariaalice wrote: »

That is a different issue, housing has become fetishised in a lot of ways as well, its not just housing its an investment, its a reflection of status and class ect, huge swathes of middle-class buyer want to stay where they grew up even if the average house price in the area is say 400k and are outraged why they can't afford in the areas they want I do feel sorry for people but it goes across all section of society.

Lillyfae · 10-04-2019 10:54AM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is a different issue, housing has become fetishised in a lot of ways as well, its not just housing its an investment, its a reflection of status and class ect, huge swathes of middle-class buyer want to stay where they grew up even if the average house price in the area is say 400k and are outraged why they can't afford in the areas they want I do feel sorry for people but it goes across all section of society.

If someone buys a house then yes, that is a reflection of their status and wealth. If the property prices are pushed up because some scrounger expects the taxpayer to fund a house in that area then is it any wonder why said taxpayer is outraged that they can't live there? If they're being outbid by a housing association who will provide it basically free of charge to someone who doesn't work??

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