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Airlines as "carbon polluters"

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  • 05-04-2019 12:48pm
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    rivegauche
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    Here is an interesting article about this in German
    http://www.airliners.de/neues-klimalobby-bull****-bingo/49588

    This is a google translator link to it.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airliners.de%2Fneues-klimalobby-bull****-bingo%2F49588

    Basically 60% of pollution/emission sources are ignored.
    Ryanair are grouped together despite having 450 or so airframs while the big coal powerplants in Germany owned by the same companies are not grouped. RWE is the main example.

    On top of that a gas turbine and a jet engine are basically the same. All the Ryanair engines get bundled together while the most of Western Europe's electricity need is being serviced by gas turbines using Russian Gas and are not grouped.

    The pie graph shows exactly how little co2 is being emitted. It is about 2% of the pie graph.

    Electricity can be generated by other means, airplanes don't any other options other than piston engines and turboprops which are basically a jet engine.

    There is a propaganda war against air travel raging at the moment.
    Here is another report on a poll where 55% of respondents were steered toward agreeing with a statement that the cost of flights are too cheap.
    http://www.airliners.de/erwartungen-billigflug-low-cost-zusatzkosten-umfrage/49496

    Airbus and Boeing order books are overflowing with orders for new much more efficient MAX and NEO planes.
    LCCs are have load factors in excess of 90% regularly.
    LCCs have trimmed everything to the bone.

    Aggressive Environmentalists would rather see planes grounded than flying.
    Eventually they will get their way. Worse than proselytising Vegans they are.


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    neris
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    Some Swedes are all ready at it. article on bbc yesterday about swedes who now go on holidays by train rather then fly because of global warming. 5 days on a train to the south of spain traipsing across europe no thanks. Surely the likes of BA & Lufthansa would be bigger polluters then Ryanair?


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    Zonda999
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    Well across the board on a per passenger per mile basis they are certainly heavier polluters seeing as the aircraft are much less densely packed due to the presence of business and first class.

    On shorthaul within Europe, Ryanair can still probably claim, and probably are lower polluters on the same per passenger per mile basis due to their higher load factors


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    rivegauche
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭rivegauche


    Issues with air traffic control increase carbon emmissions by 5.2%

    https://www.aviation24.be/organisations/aci-europe/european-airports-also-approve-eu-commissions-report-on-air-traffic-management-and-make-further-proposals/

    "While ATM inefficiencies also impact airports at various levels, ACI EUROPE is especially concerned with their impact on the environment – and in particular climate change. Last year, these inefficiencies led to an additional +5.2% of CO2 emitted by aircraft in Europe."


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    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    Well across the board on a per passenger per mile basis they are certainly heavier polluters seeing as the aircraft are much less densely packed due to the presence of business and first class.

    On shorthaul within Europe, Ryanair can still probably claim, and probably are lower polluters on the same per passenger per mile basis due to their higher load factors

    Their fleet also probably has one of the youngest average ages across Europe too, so that'd be another point in their favour.


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    basill
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    Damn lies and statistics. An A380 operator would argue that they are low polluters due to the higher density. A 777 operator would say they pollute even less as they have 2 less engines. At the other end of the spectrum a turbo prop would say they only burn a bit more than a light jet with an increased number of passengers. All garbage really. People need to get from A to B end of. Its all about taxes at the end of the day.


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    vargoo
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Wasn't there a measurable drop after 9-11 with just the grounding of planes for a few days??


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