Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

Galwayguy35 · 07-04-2019 08:00PM

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Amirani wrote: »

Yes. Sure US secret service personel are all armed whenever US presidents visits. There's lots of precedents.

Bit of a difference between the US President and this guy in fairness, and there was armed Gardai escorting him from the border so it will be interesting to see whether the PSNI would have been allowed to be armed in this jurisdiction.

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 08:05PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

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Bit of a difference between the US President and this guy in fairness, and there was armed Gardai escorting him from the border so it will be interesting to see whether the PSNI would have been allowed to be armed in this jurisdiction.

I read about this incident earlier and the official line was that he psni lads protect him in norn iron, but when they cross over they're not armed so by that logic they must have either thrown their weapons out the windows on the way down or they mustn't have been armed up above in the first place

expectationlost · 07-04-2019 08:06PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Wrong

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/security-scare-at-garda-hq-raises-questions-on-role-of-psni-1.3852361

The commissioner lives with his wife in a residence on the Garda Headquarters grounds in the Phoenix Park in Dublin while security work is completed on a private residence elsewhere.

did he move in this week then?

MrFresh · 07-04-2019 08:08PM

pure.conya wrote: »

I read about this incident earlier and the official line was that he psni lads protect him in norn iron, but when they cross over they're not armed so by that logic they must have either thrown their weapons out the windows on the way down or they mustn't have been armed up above in the first place

I think it would be safe to assume they don't all travel in a single car. Armed support is likely in a second vehicle.

Charles Ingles · 07-04-2019 08:17PM

This man is still governed by the oath of allegiance and the official secrecy act in the UK.
This overrides the oath he took commencing Garda top job.
Serious conflict of interest never should have appointed to this job.
Running with the haire and hunting with the hound

TomasMacR · 07-04-2019 08:23PM

expectationlost wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/security-scare-at-garda-hq-raises-questions-on-role-of-psni-1.3852361 did he move in this week then?

Who cares. Is his private residence in the north or the republic?

kippy · 07-04-2019 08:23PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

This man is still governed by the oath of allegiance and the official secrecy act in the UK.
This overrides the oath he took commencing Garda top job.
Serious conflict of interest never should have appointed to this job.
Running with the haire and hunting with the hound

Did they play Rock, paper, scissors to determine which oath overrode which?

Charles Ingles · 07-04-2019 08:24PM

kippy wrote: »

Did they play Rock, paper, scissors to determine which oath overrode which?

If you don't believe me look into it.

07-04-2019 08:42PM

Fair play to the Garda that activated the security barrier. Promotion please.

Credit Checker Moose · 07-04-2019 08:49PM

6541 wrote: »

Fair play to the Garda that activated the security barrier. Promotion please.

Promotion to the file room me thinks.

Odyssey 2005 · 07-04-2019 08:51PM

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

Promotion to the file room me thinks.

Dog walking duties.;)

pablo128 · 07-04-2019 08:59PM

TomasMacR wrote: »

Who cares. Is his private residence in the north or the republic?

You tell us.

TomasMacR · 07-04-2019 09:27PM

pablo128 wrote: »

You tell us.

I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking.

fullstop · 07-04-2019 09:33PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I
Open to correction here, but the psni have no jurisdiction in this state, so once they crossed the border they essentially become armed men, as opposed to armed police.

Do the Secret Service have jurisdiction here when they come with the POTUS? Out of interest, like.

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 09:35PM

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

Promotion to the file room me thinks.

for doing her job?

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 09:39PM

fullstop wrote: »

Do the Secret Service have jurisdiction here when they come with the POTUS? Out of interest, like.

I'm taking a wild guess here but i reckon the potus secret service have their ducks in a row long before they get here

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 07-04-2019 09:39PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I don't know if the message being relayed back or not will matter much if it actually transpires that the commissioner allowed himself to be escorted to Garda HQ with armed men from another jurisdiction.

Open to correction here, but the psni have no jurisdiction in this state, so once they crossed the border they essentially become armed men, as opposed to armed police.

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Garda sources say it is not unusual for PSNI officers to travel south of the border in this and many other instances, such as when they are escorting the Chief Constable, senior judges or other personnel who require security to attend conferences or other business here.
They also say there are procedures in place to allow police officers from other countries to carry firearms here while part of a close protection detail, such as exists for visits by the US President, the UK Prime Minister and other foreign dignitaries.

07-04-2019 09:44PM

Vincenzo Hollow Sweater wrote: »

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I wonder was there someone else in the jeep too that Harris wanted to talk to, that would at least make some sense. Otherwise the idea the PSNIers were a 'close protection detail' is an embarrassment

fullstop · 07-04-2019 09:45PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

If you don't believe me look into it.

Why should he need to? Prove it.

fullstop · 07-04-2019 09:46PM

pure.conya wrote: »

I'm taking a wild guess here but i reckon the potus secret service have their ducks in a row long before they get here

That wasn't the question, though.

PowerToWait · 07-04-2019 09:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just thinking about it here, if the Commissioner were to get out of a PSNI vehicle at border and into a Garda vehicle at border, then this exchange point would be the most vulnerable point for an attack on him. Is it a regular enough occurrence that vehicles belonging to police forces either side of the border do indeed cross the border for agreed specific purposes like this and that this has just come into broader public knowledge by this occurrence?

In very unfortunate circumstances I was obliged to take a lift in a PSNI vehicle about 13 years ago. The officers apologised for their inability to bring me any further than the border for "obvious reasons" in their words.

As I've pointed out in a different thread, there is just no way armed forces from another state can simply enter into the Irish republic without fear of arrest and trial.

It doesn't matter if it's Dublin, Cork or Blacklion, 100 miles or 100 yards. An inch is a mile in these matters.

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 09:51PM

fullstop wrote: »

That wasn't the question, though.

they're american, they don't understand jurisdiction

https://www.thejournal.ie/us-army-uniform-shannon-4117778-Jul2018/

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 09:55PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

In very unfortunate circumstances I was obliged to take a lift in a PSNI vehicle about 13 years ago. The officers apologised for their inability to bring me any further than the border for "obvious reasons" in their words.

As I've pointed out in a different thread, there is just no way armed forces from another state can simply enter into the Irish republic without fear of arrest and trial.

It doesn't matter if it's Dublin, Cork or Blacklion, 100 miles or 100 yards. An inch is a mile in these matters.

unless you were being carried to the border on close protection detail this is nothing like the drew harris affair, just so you know I'm not exactly fond of the whole incident but you can't compare the 2 vastly different situations

janfebmar · 07-04-2019 11:47PM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

maybe in garda world phones etc havent been invented yet.
they are bloody backward imo.

Sounds like an embarrassing breakdown in communications that Garda HQ did not know their own head was approaching.

expectationlost · 07-04-2019 11:56PM

can't wait for this story to hit the international newspapers

Tomas81 · 07-04-2019 11:57PM

TomasMacR wrote: »

I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking.

He lives In Holywood, outside Belfast.

Usual he is collected by PSNI land rover driven to Newry/For then taken by ARU. Personal matter arose he didn't use ARU but PSNI conveyed him in. Miscommunication ensued and this was the outcome.

For a start PSNI shouldn't of been on official business within the country.

janfebmar · 08-04-2019 08:34AM

The Gardai should have been paying for any protection iof the Garda top knob n this state. Those armoured Suv are not cheap. I wonder who will be paying for the damage to it by the Garda? Did any occupants suffer personal injuries or whiplash?

McMurphy · 08-04-2019 09:21AM

Going to be discussed on Newstalk with Pat Kenny next.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-04-2019 09:52AM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Going to be discussed on Newstalk with Pat Kenny next.

What did you think, Johnny?

The main points I got from it were breach of protocol, internal Garda matter and political parties shouldn’t be trying to score points by calling for Harris to explain.

Muahahaha · 08-04-2019 10:20AM

Tom Cloonan saying that PSNI carrying weapons in the Republic is illegal no matter what way you look at it. What a mess. I wonder who leaked the story too, I'd say Harris has his enemies within HQ

Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

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