Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

Vicarious Function · 07-04-2019 04:54PM

The outcome of this unfortunate misunderstanding at AGS HQ gate could have been a lot worse. Thank the Lord, nothing worse happened.

Farawayhome · 07-04-2019 04:55PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Yes they didn't.

Oh! So those who support Irish independence aren't automatically a shinner. :eek: No way.

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 04:56PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

Forced to face up to the facts more like. The majority of Irish people celebrated our Republican heroes in 2016.

did we? i don't own a telly or buy newspapers so i missed the excitment all year tbh

Farawayhome · 07-04-2019 04:58PM

amcalester wrote: »

Yet less than 14% of Irish people actually voted for them. Curious.

Eh? I think the point has flown over your head!

Farawayhome · 07-04-2019 04:58PM

pure.conya wrote: »

did we? i don't own a telly or buy newspapers so i missed the excitment all year tbh

Yes.

rockatansky · 07-04-2019 05:05PM

If this is real then there are a lot of questions that need to be answered here.

The usual nothing to see here, just move on, you're all nothing but RA heads brigade can believe that if they want. That's fine for them if they choose to go about their daily lives with their head in the sand. The less they have to think about on a daily basis the easier for them to live I suppose.

If the PSNI were indeed providing an armed escort to a high ranking member of the the Security Services of the Republic then surely the Minister of Defense would have had to have been informed about this?

If protocol was for the Commissioner to be handed at the border, why was this changed for this trip.

I'm sure the PSNI would have a lot to say about armed Gardai providing escort through the 6 counties. Or nothing at all really because it would never happen.

WinnyThePoo · 07-04-2019 05:06PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Yes they didn't.

Oh! So those who support Irish independence aren't automatically a shinner. :eek: No way.

You said Ireland celebrated Sinn Féin in 2016.

We didn't.

Keep on shinnin on.

amcalester · 07-04-2019 05:08PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

Eh? I think the point has flown over your head!

I understand the point you think you’re making, that attending a commemoration of 1916 is equal to supporting Sinn Fein.

I just know the two aren’t related.

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 05:12PM

rockatansky wrote: »

If this is real then there are a lot of questions that need to be answered here.

The usual nothing to see here, just move on, you're all nothing but RA heads brigade can believe that if they want. That's fine for them if they choose to go about their daily lives with their head in the sand. The less they have to think about on a daily basis the easier for them to live I suppose.

If the PSNI were indeed providing an armed escort to a high ranking member of the the Security Services of the Republic then surely the Minister of Defense would have had to have been informed about this?

If protocol was for the Commissioner to be handed at the border, why was this changed for this trip.

I'm sure the PSNI would have a lot to say about armed Gardai providing escort through the 6 counties. Or nothing at all really because it would never happen.

if you read the report it actually states that the psni don't be armed down south, so they must have thrown their weapons out the window as they passed over the border

Farawayhome · 07-04-2019 05:16PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You said Ireland celebrated Sinn Féin in 2016.

We didn't.

Keep on shinnin on.

amcalester wrote: »

I understand the point you think you’re making, that attending a commemoration of 1916 is equal to supporting Sinn Fein.

I just know the two aren’t related.

I'll have to explain things for you two. The whooshing is getting too loud.

I was showing you that supporting Irish independence and our fight for freedom, just like the majority did in 2016, doesn't automatically mean you are a shinner.
Were all those who attended commemorations in 2016 there to show their love for the Sinn Féin from 100 years before?
Wanting Irish independence and showing gratitude to our Republican heroes does not automatically make you a shinner.
Now, that should be clear for you two.

amcalester · 07-04-2019 05:23PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

I'll have to explain things for you two. The whooshing is getting too loud.

I was showing you that supporting Irish independence and our fight for freedom, just like the majority did in 2016, doesn't automatically mean you are a shinner.
Were all those who attended commemorations in 2016 there to show their love for the Sinn Féin from 100 years before?
Wanting Irish independence and showing gratitude to our Republican heroes does not automatically make you a shinner.
Now, that should be clear for you two.

Then why say this?

Farawayhome wrote: »

The majority of Irish people celebrated Sinn Féin in 2016!

07-04-2019 05:27PM

Just thinking about it here, if the Commissioner were to get out of a PSNI vehicle at border and into a Garda vehicle at border, then this exchange point would be the most vulnerable point for an attack on him. Is it a regular enough occurrence that vehicles belonging to police forces either side of the border do indeed cross the border for agreed specific purposes like this and that this has just come into broader public knowledge by this occurrence?

Farawayhome · 07-04-2019 05:29PM

amcalester wrote: »

Then why say this?

He was calling me a shinner, using his logic, everyone who celebrated in 2016 were also shinners.

Truth is that huge numbers attended commemorations, huge numbers celebrate our Republican heroes, huge numbers support Irish unity. That does not equate to huge numbers supporting Sinn Fein.

People should be free and proud to celebrate and support these things without being labelled!

McMurphy · 07-04-2019 05:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just thinking about it here, if the Commissioner were to get out of a PSNI vehicle at border and into a Garda vehicle at border, then this exchange point would be the most vulnerable point for an attack on him. Is it a regular enough occurrence that vehicles belonging to police forces either side of the border do indeed cross the border for agreed specific purposes like this and that this has just come into broader public knowledge by this occurrence?

Crossing the border is one thing, but going as far as the capital city, or more specifically Garda HQ, with a for I p of armed men and an armour plated jeep, without the GardaI having been informed would not be a regular enough occurrence, that would be my guess.

Harris either went on a bit of a solo run here with his old colleagues, or else the justice department were also aware of it, but either scenario doesn't sit well.

07-04-2019 05:42PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Crossing the border is one thing, but going as far as the capital city, or more specifically Garda HQ, with a for I p of armed men and an armour plated jeep, without the GardaI having been informed would not be a regular enough occurrence, that would be my guess.

Harris either went on a bit of a solo run here with his old colleagues, or else the justice department were also aware of it, but either scenario doesn't sit well.

It does seem strange indeed. Does this kind of thing happen between other European countries when police chiefs travel I’m wondering, is there precedence for it?

Ash.J.Williams · 07-04-2019 05:45PM

So the head of the Gardaí never actually moved south?
After watching the Miami show band doc on Netflix and now hearing this.....

07-04-2019 05:46PM

With the PSNI driver going at a pace right to to Garda HQ, that would likely show that some familiarity with the layout of the environs.

TomasMacR · 07-04-2019 05:50PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

So the head of the Gardaí never actually moved south?
After watching the Miami show band doc on Netflix and now hearing this.....

This will probably be the only instance ever where you will get the plentiful anti Irish reunification posters on Boards protesting that “he still lives in the same country”.

I don’t know for certain if he does but he should not be living in Northern Ireland as Garda Commissioner. He shouldn’t have been recruited full stop but that’s not for this conversation.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-04-2019 05:57PM

TomasMacR wrote: »

This will probably be the only instance ever where you will get the plentiful anti Irish reunification posters on Boards protesting that “he still lives in the same country”.

I don’t know for certain if he does but he should not be living in Northern Ireland as Garda Commissioner. He shouldn’t have been recruited full stop but that’s not for this conversation.

That's some f**k up in fairness

SPDUB · 07-04-2019 06:04PM

RTE now reporting the story ( from 544pm today )

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0407/1041229-harris-psni-garda-phoenix-park/

Garda Headquarters has said today that both An Garda Sh and the PSNI are satisfied that normal procedures were followed during an armed escort for the Garda Commissioner last month which led to a security alert at Garda Headquarters and a PSNI jeep being damaged.

So normal procedures is to try to overturn cars going into Garda HQ :rolleyes:

kneemos · 07-04-2019 06:09PM

SPDUB wrote: »

RTE now reporting the story ( from 544pm today )

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0407/1041229-harris-psni-garda-phoenix-park/

So normal procedures is to try to overturn cars going into Garda HQ :rolleyes:

Hopefully not informing the gate isn't normal procedure.

Armed PSNI personnel is not unusual apparently.

pablo128 · 07-04-2019 06:09PM

He lives in Dublin. He actually lives on the grounds of the Garda HQ while his private residence is having security upgrades.

Rubberchikken · 07-04-2019 06:11PM

maybe in garda world phones etc havent been invented yet.
they are bloody backward imo.

McMurphy · 07-04-2019 06:14PM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

maybe in garda world phones etc havent been invented yet.
they are bloody backward imo.

They just keep disappearing.

07-04-2019 06:27PM

pablo128 wrote: »

He lives in Dublin. He actually lives on the grounds of the Garda HQ while his private residence is having security upgrades.

Wrong

07-04-2019 06:37PM

I wonder in how many other countries people can actually name their Commissioner? It's just shambles after shambles in Ireland

TomasMacR · 07-04-2019 07:35PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Wrong

Where does he live?

Odyssey 2005 · 07-04-2019 07:46PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Bizarre

Maybe he just wanted a chat with some old mates

Passing info .. oh did I say that out loud ? I meant time

blanch152 · 07-04-2019 07:54PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

The majority of Irish people celebrated Sinn Féin in 2016!

I don't think so. Personally, I didn't take part in any celebrations of 1916. I am not aware of any of my friends who did so either. There would have been a lot of overlap between celebrations with many people attending more than one.

Overall, I would say those who celebrated would have been less than 100,000, possibly an awful lot less than 100,000. Those who noted it or commemorated it would have been more, but maybe not even as many as a million.

Suggesting that the majority of Irish people celebrated it would be an exaggeration, even if you take a very limited definition of Irish people.

Amirani · 07-04-2019 07:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It does seem strange indeed. Does this kind of thing happen between other European countries when police chiefs travel I’m wondering, is there precedence for it?

Yes. Sure US secret service personel are all armed whenever US presidents visits. There's lots of precedents.

Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

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