John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Cienciano · 02-04-2019 04:51PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Giles has been consulted on most of the recent Ireland manger job openings by Delaney. JD is also involved with Giles charity so they must get on fairly well

That makes sense.
Richie Sadlier is the only ex-player that will come out and speak up for the fans. That really tells us about how the FAI are run.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 05:27PM

Cienciano wrote: »

That makes sense.
Richie Sadlier is the only ex-player that will come out and speak up for the fans. That really tells us about how the FAI are run.

How do you mean?

There are 100s of ex ireland players. Why dont more come and speak out?

Surely roy Keane is the most famous rant about the fai nor feeding them properly and messing up pre world cup training...

And they ended up hiring him.

Cienciano · 02-04-2019 05:53PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

How do you mean?

There are 100s of ex ireland players. Why dont more come and speak out?

Surely roy Keane is the most famous rant about the fai nor feeding them properly and messing up pre world cup training...

And they ended up hiring him.

Did anyone question what Delaney did or think the the fans had a right to protest the way they did? Sadlier was the only one as far as I can see. Keane rant was 17 years ago, if you have to go back that far it sort of proves my point. I don't expect players to talk about it unless they're involved in the media or questioned about it.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 06:03PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Did anyone question what Delaney did or think the the fans had a right to protest the way they did? Sadlier was the only one as far as I can see. Keane rant was 17 years ago, if you have to go back that far it sort of proves my point. I don't expect players to talk about it unless they're involved in the media or questioned about it.

Im not sure im following your point. Surely if nobody has complained in 17 years thats a good reflection on delaney?

There are numerous ex irish players in the media. Both on tv and papers.

Just off the top of my head , townsend, mcgrath, houghton , cascarino... not including the lads whove been on rte panels. Must be dozens

Nesta99 · 02-04-2019 07:29PM

Cienciano wrote: »

That makes sense.
Richie Sadlier is the only ex-player that will come out and speak up for the fans. That really tells us about how the FAI are run.

He is also a former CEO of St Pats along with being a former player. If he formed an opinion on the way the FAI is run it is likely through that role than as a player.
It could be personal experience of course but again in my own opinion he is generally exasperated by the way the FAI does business, possibly on top of having somewhat of an inside handle, connections etc. He is probably close to PFAI people and they would be no fans of the FAI management.

02-04-2019 08:33PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

From your own link....

Sport Ireland will also tell the committee that it is satisfied that “effective control mechanisms and frameworks are in place with regard to our investment in the FAI”. “Sport Ireland is satisfied that our funding invested in the FAI is fully accounted for and expended on the purpose for which it is intended”.

The organisation’s grants to the FAI have been audited three times, which it says provided it with “the highest level of assurance that all funding is fully accounted for and expended for the purposes in which it was intended and that the Terms and Conditions of funding are being complied with”.

Basically says the opposite to what you're suggesting. Sport ireland are more than pleased that any given grants have been properly mamaged

They'd surely have to say that, that money allocated by Sport Ireland has been properly used.

If they didn't not know what happened the funds they advanced, then hard questions would have to be asked of Sport Ireland.

But that seems far from being satisfied with governance and finances within the FAI.

The bottom line is that Sport Ireland is going before our legislature tomorrow and saying that our football authority, while it hasn't actually pocketed Sport Ireland grants, has not answered questions out to it about why it might have needed 100k from the CEO.

This is not a welcome development for the FAI.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 08:47PM

Thats ome take.

Another take is

Anytime theyve triple checked everything has been absolutely fine. Historically everything has been fine.
They asked for an explanation about the 100m. Got one. Asked for more clarity. Are awaiting that response.

Could be storm in a teacup again.

02-04-2019 09:01PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats ome take.

Another take is

Anytime theyve triple checked everything has been absolutely fine. Historically everything has been fine.
They asked for an explanation about the 100m. Got one. Asked for more clarity. Are awaiting that response.

Could be storm in a teacup again.

No no, they didn't say that everything has been fine at all.

They said that that element of the FAI funding which consists of grants drawn from Sport Ireland has been spent for the purposes for which they were drawn down. That's far from saying the entire finances are fine, in fact they say their questions are not answered in that regard.

No one accused Delaney of pocketing grants, so Sport Ireland is not saying anything that could be treated as a vindication.

givyjoe · 02-04-2019 09:09PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats ome take.

Another take is

Anytime theyve triple checked everything has been absolutely fine. Historically everything has been fine.
They asked for an explanation about the 100m. Got one. Asked for more clarity. Are awaiting that response.

Could be storm in a teacup again.

Storm In tea cup that prompted Delaney to step aside. Head, buried, sand.

kippy · 02-04-2019 09:09PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats ome take.

Another take is

Anytime theyve triple checked everything has been absolutely fine. Historically everything has been fine.
They asked for an explanation about the 100m. Got one. Asked for more clarity. Are awaiting that response.

Could be storm in a teacup again.

When was the initial storm in a teacup - I cannot recall.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 09:11PM

Maybe im wrong

But sport ireland arent in charge of fai finanaces. The fai are

SI are in charhe of making sure the money they give the fai is spent properly. Theyve triple audited the fai and are very pleased that this is the case

Irishmale0399 · 02-04-2019 09:18PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Maybe im wrong

But sport ireland arent in charge of fai finanaces. The fai are

SI are in charhe of making sure the money they give the fai is spent properly. Theyve triple audited the fai and are very pleased that this is the case

The FAI depend on Sport Ireland income to operate/invest......if the grants were pulled the FAI would be up sh1t creek without a paddle.

Sport Ireland can only audit accounts put infront of them....the question is what accounts they were presented??? If you were fiddling the tax for example you would never be stupid enough to put the fiddled books infront of the tax man.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 09:23PM

Thats kinda my point tho.

SI only really care about what the FAI do with the money SI give them.

To make sure its spent properly.

So SI will cover their own ass

Irishmale0399 · 02-04-2019 09:28PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats kinda my point tho.

SI only really care about what the FAI do with the money SI give them.

To make sure its spent properly.

So SI will cover their own ass

Or they will take the chance to clean out a self serving institute.....ensuring the monies are better distributed and maybe a youth developement system and LOI that Ireland can be proud of can be built from a new beginning.

02-04-2019 10:36PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Or they will take the chance to clean out a self serving institute.....ensuring the monies are better distributed and maybe a youth developement system and LOI that Ireland can be proud of can be built from a new beginning.

Nah there is not a lot they can do in all honesty. Boxing is a mess and SI got involved when Billy Walsh was disgracefully removed from his position. 1 year on there was still a battle for supremacy at the top within that organisation. It is possibly still going on.

They can stop the funding that the government gives but what is that in the great scheme of things? Id imagine, the only ones would suffer is the 'grassroots' who are seeing little enough money as it goes.

I genuinely dont believe that change can come about. These people have too much control and no accountability. We'll be having this conversation in 10, maybe 20 years time. The fact Delaney only moved to the side would show the contempt this man has for his critics and the arrogance of the man

fullstop · 02-04-2019 10:39PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Exactly. Its an american spelling is systemic. Often used in medical terms to describe diseases.

'Sestemic' is not an American word or spelling of anything.

As you were.

02-04-2019 11:15PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats kinda my point tho.

SI only really care about what the FAI do with the money SI give them.

To make sure its spent properly.

So SI will cover their own ass

Ah no no. That has to be wrong, as a matter of common sense.

SI care very much about governance and finances in any organisation. Now, they can only directly account for their own grants, and in that regard they say the FAI hasn't actually defrauded or embezzled money they gave, which is a very minor plus. But no one even suggested that.

What they are not doing is saying the finances are fine. Far from it, they say they are not being given answers. And one presumes that may have implications for further grant aid. But guess we'll judge that by the tone and content of tomorrow's q and a.

Nesta99 · 02-04-2019 11:25PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Thats kinda my point tho.

SI only really care about what the FAI do with the money SI give them.

To make sure its spent properly.

So SI will cover their own ass

No, Sport Ireland authorise, for want of a better word, all sporting NGBs. To obtain accreditation from SI NGBs must sign up to terms and conditions that include governance, financial transparency(annual audits); Establishing safeguarding was a big thing post 90s/early 00s and auditing compliance there was top focus - other NGBs have fallen foul of this for not seriously implementing safguarding procedures. Then there is the processing of grant applications from within the sporting organisations and the one in question is one of the biggest recipients due to the level of participation. Any changes made to the above have to be run by SI on top of senior governance, structure, refinancing issues etc. A bit of the weight was taken off by the LSPs but at the highest level SI needs to be kept informed of any brewing issue. They are more or less delegated by the Dept of Sport to look after exchequer contribution to sport. (It as unusual for Shane Ross to take point on announcing additional funding Hockey Ireland after the womens recent WC success, its usually a GAA thing that DoS jump in ahead of SI in my experience).

There isnt a suggestion that money is missing, just a 'how did you let finances get in to such a mess and say nothing and restructure' without getting it rubber stamped. SI dont micro manage internal salaries as much as they would like to but there is autonomy too, but if salaries cant be paid someone should, as per protocol, have been on the hotline. Questions then might have been asked and with a sense of transparency and conscientious governance.

For the sake of balance, SI is the restructured Sports Council of Ireland of past. Possibly no great shakes themselves until properly run under John Tracey and his board. The OCI is an example of an apparent crony run entity hasnt had a lot more media attention imo due to resignations (including their VP) and external appointments that satisfied the requirement for change in governance.

A lot of this is likely to boil down to incompetance at the FAI not corruption, a lack of backbone from those who allowed themselves to be led in to offering silly wages relative to the size of the organisation. Things like not blocking the extension of terms of office or a retirement age as introduced by Des Casey a few decades ago. He, as VP of UEFA and FAI board member, was begged to stay on but he stood by the rules he introduced to cull this sort of situation developing through stagnation and complacency- rules that were overturned by many of the current board.

FAI CEO is a job not a vocation and should be treated as such, turning up to '2000+ over 16 years' opening of footballing facilities or attending fundraisers is par for the course, a job well paid to do these things and not somthing that an FAI employee should be cannonised for!!

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 11:29PM

fullstop wrote: »

'Sestemic' is not an American word or spelling of anything.

As you were.

Ridiculou to drag it back off topic. Go to google scholar. Type in sestemic. Look at the amount of medical journals and books that have the word in the title or the study. Tell them theyre all wrong too.

Anyways.

Tbh im not sure theres much about SI in the press. I dont know their ceo or how they allpcate funds or the wage structures there. Or the terms of office or election criteria.
Maybe they ought to watch out too

Nesta99 · 02-04-2019 11:50PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Ridiculou to drag it back off topic. Go to google scholar. Type in sestemic. Look at the amount of medical journals and books that have the word in the title or the study. Tell them theyre all wrong too.

Anyways.

Tbh im not sure theres much about SI in the press. I dont know their ceo or how they allpcate funds or the wage structures there. Or the terms of office or election criteria.
Maybe they ought to watch out too

Unless there is an American spelling where systemic = sestemic they have different meanings but usually its a misspelling and that isnt a strong point for me.

Chancer3001 · 03-04-2019 12:06AM

Nesta99 wrote: »

Unless there is an American spelling where systemic = sestemic they have different meanings but usually its a misspelling and that isnt a strong point for me.

Good man. Tell that to every author and doctor whos used it in their books and medical journals.

Have you anything useful to add to the debate or do you just want to pick up on spellings or typos?

Guffy · 03-04-2019 12:20AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Good man. Tell that to every author and doctor whos used it in their books and medical journals.

Have you anything useful to add to the debate or do you just want to pick up on spellings or typos?

Nesta99 wrote: »

Unless there is an American spelling where systemic = sestemic they have different meanings but usually its a misspelling and that isnt a strong point for me.

Pair of fools the two of ye. Get over yerselves.

~Rebel~ · 03-04-2019 12:24AM

Guffy wrote: »

Pair of fools the two of ye. Get over yerselves.

Now you're in for it!

The_Kew_Tour · 03-04-2019 12:36AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Maybe im wrong

But sport ireland arent in charge of fai finanaces. The fai are

SI are in charhe of making sure the money they give the fai is spent properly. Theyve triple audited the fai and are very pleased that this is the case

Is the you Nadia Forde

Necro · 03-04-2019 12:36AM

Such a ridiculous point to bring up and die on the hill for.

Chancer please give me a link to where sestemic is used, 'Google scholar' and multiple dictionaries online state 'word cannot be found.'

It's clearly a typo. It's pointless. But your insistence it exists when it doesn't is bizarre.

Chancer3001 · 03-04-2019 07:48AM

Sestemic Encephalopathy", Journal of Hepatology, March-April 1984 …

The Polish Conflict: Its Background and Sestemic Challenges
WW Adamski - 1990 - European Cultural Foundation

Theres 2 medical entries for you

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=sestemic&btnG=

Theres more.

This is bizarre.

The Talking Bread · 03-04-2019 08:03AM

It is not a valid word in the English/American English dictionary You tried to make a fool if someone by saying it was. A rare rare medical author giving themselves licence ti mispell it on a medical front, possibly to distinguish it somewhat doesnt make it a valid word. Ffs. You are making a fool of yourself here. Even Dots admits he made an error. And I dont care if its off topic, most of tge nonsebse you are spewing for the last few days is anyway.

Necro · 03-04-2019 08:19AM

Seriously you know you can simply admit you are wrong even on the internet?

Seems like such a stupid point but your insistence on it makes it all the more ridiculous.

Give me a link to ANY English/American dictionary on the planet and I'll happy admit I'm wrong.

But you know that's not possible.

03-04-2019 10:22AM

Delaney will have one ear very much on events in the Oireachtas today, and the conversation between Sport Ireland and our TDs. He'll want to see what way the wind is blowing before he faces into it.

bohsman · 03-04-2019 11:23AM

Sestemic is a word because it can be found on Google with the right search parameters however there is no way Delaney can be corrupt because there is no evidence.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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