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Scum night of rampage and general lack of appropriate sentencing.

  • 01-04-2019 11:34PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/trio-filmed-themselves-after-violent-rampage-of-assaults-in-city-centre-court-hears-914744.html
    Gda O'Reilly told Ronan Kennedy BL, prosecuting, that one man suffered a shattered eye socket and fractured cheekbone, another man's jaw was broken and a third victim had teeth knocked out.

    He said another injured party was left face-down unconscious on the ground and a different man suffered cracked ribs.

    It was good to see multi year sentences handed down but f**k me this was a horrifying story, doubling the sentence would be still too kind. Would make you think twice about walking home pissed...You wouldn't have a hope.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Can someone start a petition to overhaul the justice system in this kip ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    The sentences are a joke. Final year suspended and they'll probably only serve half, so that's 2 years or less for each. It was senseless violence and the victims will carry the trauma for a long time. I'm not a fan of OTT American sentences but there is a middle ground.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    a little Ludwig Von would sort them right out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Gardaí arrested Harry Walsh (18), Gordon Robinson (20) and Darragh Smith (20) after viewing CCTV of seven separate incidents of violent disorder and assaults on eight members of the public.

    Judge Melanie Greally imposed a five-year sentence on Robinson and a four-year jail term on Smith, with the final 12 months of each sentence suspended.

    When you call your child Gordon, I bet you don't expect him to end up doing a five-stretch for going on a violent rampage through the streets of Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Johnnyhpipe


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Can someone start a petition to overhaul the justice system in this kip ???

    Its a fckuing disgrace! What is the reason for such leniency in Ireland???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Its a fckuing disgrace! What is the reason for such leniency in Ireland???
    So they don't have to build more prisons or pay the costs of long term incarceration?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,073 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    a little Ludwig Von would sort them right out

    Classical liberalism? Maybe that would, but I think you meant a little bit of the old Ludwig Van.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭jon1981


    I give up
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teen-who-sexually-abused-halfsister-8-said-he-was-copying-what-he-had-seen-on-pornographic-website-pornhub-37972375.html


    No sentence!!!!! What the actual ****! It's depressing what utter savagery humans are capable of.

    I deliberately didn't quote it as it might upset people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Hopefully they’ll find a special friend in prison who’ll bugger them silly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Its a fckuing disgrace! What is the reason for such leniency in Ireland???


    • Difficult home life
    • Difficult upbringing
    • Substance abuse issues
    • Bright young men
    • Promising footballers (yes that has been used in court)
    • Battling Addictions
    • Lost their way
    • Fell in with the wrong crowd
    • Learning difficulties
    • Struggling to turn their lives around
    • They feel genuine remorse (honest)
    there's a point where people snap, and take to the streets, I hope for the sake of these judges and lawyers, it's not too violent when the time comes (I actually don't).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    So they don't have to build more prisons or pay the costs of long term incarceration?

    Not just. The Irish justice system is peopled by a tiny upper caste. They by and large live in the only parts of Dublin that are totally safe and therefore can afford leniency, it’s a form of class signaling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Justices down the country are tougher but they don’t handle the very serious crimes in general.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Time to bring in three strikes and you're out.

    Yeah, fired out of a canon into the Irish sea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Its a fckuing disgrace! What is the reason for such leniency in Ireland???

    The sooner these scumbags are out of jail, the sooner they’re back on the streets making work for solicitors/barristers/judges.

    It pays the system to keep them out of prison and as was already mentioned, most of the legal wigs don’t live in areas where these lowlives operate so it’s no skin off their nose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    El_Bee wrote: »
    [*]Promising footballers (yes that has been used in court)

    you never seem to hear promising accountant or bus driver or car salesman...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    We repealed the 8th, changed the laws around divorce and same sex marriage.i think now is the time to change the sentencing laws. This is getting ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    astrofool wrote: »
    Classical liberalism? Maybe that would, but I think you meant a little bit of the old Ludwig Van.
    Might stop the droogs from the bit of old ultraviolence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    The problem as a poster pointed out above is that the judges who pass the sentences do not have to live amongst these animals, their only interaction with them is when they are in front of them in court, other than that they may see them out their car window as they drive back to the leafy suburbs. I almost think in their mind they get some sort of good deed kick by sparing the peasantry.

    I guarantee if these animals went on regular rampages where the judges live things would change as it might wake them up to the reality of what it’s like to come face to face with vermin like this in real life, not reading about it in a police report. Until then the judges will keep letting these scum off and inflict them on the rest of us. I’d make these guys laugh, 20 years minimum if you go out in a gang with the purpose of harming innocent people, dirt on the end of your shoe is all they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    This is probably the one area of my life in which I'd be considered very right wing. Scumbags who commit random acts of extreme violence "for the craic" should be jailed indefinitely IMO, they have personality issues which make them highly unlikely to ever not be a danger to innocent members of the public. When people grow out of this sh!t in their early teens, that's one thing. When it persists into adulthood, that's when in my view it becomes more of a fixed personality trait and not something that's likely to change.

    As far as I'm concerned, the fact that an attack was committed for literally no reason should be considered an aggravating factor in sentencing. It essentially means that the assailant is, for want of a clinical term, just a straight up nasty person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    This is probably the one area of my life in which I'd be considered very right wing. Scumbags who commit random acts of extreme violence "for the craic" should be jailed indefinitely IMO, they have personality issues which make them highly unlikely to ever not be a danger to innocent members of the public. When people grow out of this sh!t in their early teens, that's one thing. When it persists into adulthood, that's when in my view it becomes more of a fixed personality trait and not something that's likely to change.

    As far as I'm concerned, the fact that an attack was committed for literally no reason should be considered an aggravating factor in sentencing. It essentially means that the assailant is, for want of a clinical term, just a straight up nasty person.

    Could not agree more. We seem to have in society a sympathy for young male aggression especially if they are lower social class. A kind of warped explanation for what they engage in. Sure - they were just having the craic and don't know any better because they are poor and uneducated.

    My theory on this is that socialists have brought this thinking about. They are lower class because of capitalism and thus society should bare responsibility because of a failure of capitalism for creating lower social classes in the first place and all the criminality that invariably goes with it.

    My view is that the lower social classes are not a failure of capitalism but a failure of human beings.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    Our Northern brethren have a certain way of dealing with these sort of f**ks, I'd even pay their Enterprise Train fare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    dd973 wrote: »
    Our Northern brethren have a certain way of dealing with these sort of f**ks, I'd even pay their Enterprise Train fare.

    If you are talking about punishment beatings, I can tell you they don't work.

    There is an endless supply of scumbags in the northern cities too, the fear of getting shot in the legs or having them broken with hammers doesn't deter them in the slightest.

    If it worked the North would be a nice place with no scumbags, it ain't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    jon1981 wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/trio-filmed-themselves-after-violent-rampage-of-assaults-in-city-centre-court-hears-914744.html



    It was good to see multi year sentences handed down but f**k me this was a horrifying story, doubling the sentence would be still too kind. Would make you think twice about walking home pissed...You wouldn't have a hope.

    Brehons Chair, Rathfarnham oh la la

    The underprivileged sob story can’t be used that chap

    The Smith family richer than most on boards.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Could not agree more. We seem to have in society a sympathy for young male aggression especially if they are lower social class. A kind of warped explanation for what they engage in. Sure - they were just having the craic and don't know any better because they are poor and uneducated.

    My theory on this is that socialists have brought this thinking about. They are lower class because of capitalism and thus society should bare responsibility because of a failure of capitalism for creating lower social classes in the first place and all the criminality that invariably goes with it.

    My view is that the lower social classes are not a failure of capitalism but a failure of human beings.

    It's a failure of parenting, as the left have cheered on the demise of the traditional family and the role of the father as head of the family, they cannot afford to blame the markets

    The left are wrong about everything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭jon1981


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    It's a failure of parenting, as the left have cheered on the demise of the traditional family and the role of the father as head of the family, they cannot afford to blame the markets

    The left are wrong about everything

    Or they're just nasty toe rags.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Hopefully they’ll find a special friend in prison who’ll bugger them silly

    Bend over Gordon will ya


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Brehons Chair, Rathfarnham oh la la

    The underprivileged sob story can’t be used that chap

    The Smith family richer than most on boards.ie

    And the other from Knocklyon! Perhaps the judge was lenient as they were dealing with their own kind of class? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,038 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    We repealed the 8th, changed the laws around divorce and same sex marriage.i think now is the time to change the sentencing laws. This is getting ridiculous.

    Without question.

    To see these little scumbags practically laugh at the system would tear the head out of you

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    klaaaz wrote: »
    And the other from Knocklyon! Perhaps the judge was lenient as they were dealing with their own kind of class? :confused:
    You will be knocking on a lot of doors in Knocklyon before a Judge or Senior Counsel answers. Sure the off licences there dont even stock sherry and not a hope of a decent smoked salmon or hummus


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Its a fckuing disgrace! What is the reason for such leniency in Ireland???

    Because these lads are the real victims in the eyes of far too many people. If we had a decent prison in the country and judges handed down proper sentences, people would be whinging that it's too hard on people.
    Not just. The Irish justice system is peopled by a tiny upper caste. They by and large live in the only parts of Dublin that are totally safe and therefore can afford leniency, it’s a form of class signaling.

    Where abouts in Dublin is that? I used to live in Ballsbridge and it certainly wasn't "totally safe".


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