When did you learn that life wasn't fair?

Yester · 31-03-2019 08:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

One of my favourite songs of all time.

To those of us who knew the pain
Of valentines that never came
And those whose names were never called
When choosing sides for basketball

Yes beautiful song. Listening to it right now.

To answer the OP. When we were kids I was always a goalkeeper. Not because I was a bad player, I just loved keeping goal. I thought it was very unfair that I was often picked last because who needs a keeper. Stupid kids with their stupid kid tactics where everyone is a full forward. Yes my real name is Packie Bonner. (Not really, but what a man!)

Dr Brown · 31-03-2019 08:43PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

What war are we fighting?
Are we part of NATO?

We joined PESCO.

jackboy · 31-03-2019 08:43PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Apologies, the Irish got concessions which addressed the main concerns people had about neutrality, tax and abortion I think.

But to say it was exactly the same is incorrect.

There is now abortion in Ireland. We are no longer neutral. Our right to control our taxes is under massive pressure.

White_hills · 31-03-2019 08:55PM

As a small child I thought that you could take as much money as you wanted from ATMs and everyone had access to as much money as they needed. I thought this was a fine system altogether.

When my parents explained that this was not the case and some people have more money that others and thus some people didn't have the money they needed to get by I became very upset and had a tantrum for an hour shouting 'but that's not fair'.

So yeah, socialist toddler, bewildered adult.

Twenty Grand · 31-03-2019 09:00PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Fairly dubious democracy they got going on..

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/bZnoegk

Fairly dubious source you're quoting.
Hannan, D. (2016) Why vote leave. United Kingdom

jackboy wrote: »

There is now abortion in Ireland. We are no longer neutral. Our right to control our taxes is under massive pressure.

We voted for abortion.

Ireland is never by default "neutral". The government declares our neutrality in the event of war. It's easy to declare neutrality when we've the US and UK to back us up.

Our corporation tax rate is under pressure because Ireland is a tax haven. If we were losing business to some other country, we'd be putting them under pressure.

Anyway, totally off topic at this stage.

My own life isn't fair moment was in primary school, seeing the difference between my parents and others. Not that they were poor, their parents just didn't put the same care or effort into parenting as mine and most others.

mad muffin · 31-03-2019 09:01PM

When me ma popped me out of her cünt…

Roger_007 · 31-03-2019 09:04PM

mad muffin wrote: »

When me ma popped me out of her cünt…

That's when your Ma discovered that life wasn't fair.:eek:

Sardonicat · 31-03-2019 09:04PM

mad muffin wrote: »

When me ma popped me out of her cünt…

I bet that's when she learned life wasn't fair.

Twenty Grand · 31-03-2019 09:05PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

That's when your Ma Da discovered that life wasn't fair.:eek:

Fixed for ya.

The husband stitch.

Yer Da sells Avon · 31-03-2019 09:06PM

mad muffin wrote: »

When me ma popped me out of her cünt…

Happy Mother's Day, everyone!

noubliezjamais · 31-03-2019 09:06PM

Zamboni wrote: »

Life is suffering.
Every philosophy and religion has that at the core
Everyone has disadvantages. Some seen, some unseen, some economical, some medical.
I like the old idea of - treat every single person you meet with a smile and respect because you have no idea what battle they are going through in their personal life.

Too much time is spent on trying to compare and rank each other disadvantages and it just becomes resentful but - comparison is the theft of joy. Best to appreciate that we are ALL silently suffering in some way shape or form and be kind to each other.

Is that true though? Not everyone suffers equally.

ArchXStanton · 31-03-2019 09:07PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Fairly dubious source you're quoting.
Hannan, D. (2016) Why vote leave. United Kingdom

We voted for abortion.

Ireland is never by default "neutral". The government declares our neutrality in the event of war. It's easy to declare neutrality when we've the US and UK to back us up.

Our corporation tax rate is under pressure because Ireland is a tax haven. If we were losing business to some other country, we'd be putting them under pressure.

Anyway, totally off topic at this stage.

My own life isn't fair moment was in primary school, seeing the difference between my parents and others. Not that they were poor, their parents just didn't put the same care or effort into parenting as mine and most others.

I tell you what, Google each one of those referendums and what happened and see if its a dubious source...

Twenty Grand · 31-03-2019 09:08PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I tell you what, Google each one of those referendums and what happened and see if its a dubious source...

9 o'clock on a Sunday? Nahh..

EDIT: Actually I did, and I stand by my claim that your source is dubious.

The terms "ignored" and "made to vote again" are a serious simplification of what actually happened.

We weren't "made vote again". Our concerns were addressed and we voted positively.
The French and Dutch weren't "ignored". The EU constitution was defeated. A new motion was drawn up as the Lisbon Treaty, which we, the Irish voted positively on.

freshpopcorn · 31-03-2019 09:09PM

I remember in the Summer of 2002 when Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman disappeared. I was about the same age. I generally thought they'd have being come home and being fine.

kowloon · 31-03-2019 09:11PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

We joined PESCO.

Not entirely.

donkeykong5 · 31-03-2019 09:13PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I remember in the Summer of 2002 when Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman disappeared. I was about the same age. I generally thought they'd have being come home and being fine.

That was horrific. Especially the footage of the murdering bastard caretaker in the crowd out looking for them. Sara Payne was a upsetting time as well.

ArchXStanton · 31-03-2019 09:29PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

9 o'clock on a Sunday? Nahh..

EDIT: Actually I did, and I stand by my claim that your source is dubious.

The terms "ignored" and "made to vote again" are a serious simplification of what actually happened.

We weren't "made vote again". Our concerns were addressed and we voted positively.
The French and Dutch weren't "ignored". The EU constitution was defeated. A new motion was drawn up as the Lisbon Treaty, which we, the Irish voted positively on.

That's how they sold the revote, after our politicians told us our vote would be respected, I dunno if you remember that time but Ireland came under serious pressure to vote again... Sarkozy"the Irish must vote again!"

The constitution came in through the back door with the Lisbon treaty, which was ratified in most countries including France and Holland ... So yeah ignored

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/letters/lisbon-introduces-rejected-eu-constitution-by-the-back-door-95655.html

Mad_maxx · 31-03-2019 09:30PM

Zamboni wrote: »

Life is suffering.
Every philosophy and religion has that at the core
Everyone has disadvantages. Some seen, some unseen, some economical, some medical.
I like the old idea of - treat every single person you meet with a smile and respect because you have no idea what battle they are going through in their personal life.

Too much time is spent on trying to compare and rank each other disadvantages and it just becomes resentful but - comparison is the theft of joy. Best to appreciate that we are ALL silently suffering in some way shape or form and be kind to each other.

BS

Good and bad fortune is not doled out in a remotely equal manner

Zamboni · 31-03-2019 09:42PM

noubliezjamais wrote: »

Is that true though? Not everyone suffers equally.

No certainly not.
But what do we do with that knowledge?

Zamboni · 31-03-2019 09:45PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

BS

Good and bad fortune is not doled out in a remotely equal manner

You calling bs on something that I did not claim.
Appreciate the response though.

Dempsey · 31-03-2019 09:51PM

The indiscriminate nature of mental health and cancer when its your friends and family

I suppose when I was 15-16 when these things really started to hit home

dhaughton99 · 31-03-2019 09:56PM

When the brits didn’t leave on Friday.

31-03-2019 10:09PM

Yeah, I don't know.. when I was young, I thought that when you grow up, people wouldn't tell lies, and everyone would operate on the basis of fairness..Then later, when I was an adult, I believed in karma for a while, and that if your intentions were good, you would be pretty much ok..Then I realised that people can just be vicious, and there isn't really any justice in the world.. Since then it's basically just been a struggle to retain my faith in humanity..I try to focus on the beauty I can see, but like, yeah, it's a struggle..Part of me wants to believe things will work out, and part of me just wants to abandon hope..

skooterblue2 · 31-03-2019 10:11PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

What war are we fighting?
Are we part of NATO?

We are currently engaged in war with the Islamic world, which our leaders are hellbent on us losing.

We are part of the Western European Union (WEU)
This also includes a common procurement policy
There is a common European Defence HQ in Brussels

This has been long underway since before we were asleep watching Jedward and Xfactor

honeybear · 31-03-2019 10:17PM

That little Syrian boy on the beach-image will stay with me forever

noubliezjamais · 31-03-2019 10:22PM

honeybear wrote: »

That little Syrian boy on the beach-image will stay with me forever

Not to sound heartless but what if perhaps it was a blessing in disguise? Same for kids who die young. A tragedy to their family but that kid may have grown up hating life or kidnapped and then sold into sex slavery/plantation etc...

Maybe dying prevented them from experiencing the **** of life.

Carry · 31-03-2019 10:43PM

When my mother died when I was just 14, being left with a kid brother and a father who couldn't get over her death and died some years later.

Though I didn't see their deaths as unfair as such, just cruel. I had to grow up very quickly and didn't have the time to teenage-y complaints that "life is so unfair".

From the age of 14 I've seen life as a challenge, not as a granted promise of everlasting happiness. Which led to the appreciation of occasional happiness and more so contentment.

missyb01 · 01-04-2019 09:47AM

When our first dog died. I was about 10 and to this day I remember my dad carrying the dog out to the car in a blanket and I made him promise he would bring her dog back. A few hours later, he arrived back empty handed. That crushed me.

Feisar · 01-04-2019 10:02AM

I never had an epiphany moment as regards fairness. My brother getting a severe form of MS is an example of unfairness as I would have been the messer while he was as clean living as they come. However since my mid to late teens I saw life as a place/thing/existence where fair play wasn't a thing. Tis all chance.

01-04-2019 10:06AM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

What war are we fighting?
Are we part of NATO?

I think its against Eastasia, but Im not sure which side we are.

When did you learn that life wasn't fair?

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